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* Whence the Opterons?
@ 2005-05-06 21:39 Mischa Sandberg <mischa.sandberg@telus.net>
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From: Mischa Sandberg @ 2005-05-06 21:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
After reading the comparisons between Opteron and Xeon processors for Linux,
I'd like to add an Opteron box to our stable of Dells and Sparcs, for comparison.
IBM, Sun and HP have their fairly pricey Opteron systems.
The IT people are not swell about unsupported purchases off ebay.
Anyone care to suggest any other vendors/distributors?
Looking for names with national support, so that we can recommend as much to our
customers.
Many thanks in advance.
--
"Dreams come true, not free." -- S.Sondheim
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* Re: Whence the Opterons?
@ 2005-05-06 22:09 Ian Meyer <ianmmeyer@gmail.com>
parent: Mischa Sandberg <mischa.sandberg@telus.net>
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From: Ian Meyer @ 2005-05-06 22:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mischa Sandberg <mischa.sandberg@telus.net>; +Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
Mischa,
What kind of budget are you on? penguincomputing.com deals with
Opteron servers. I looked at a couple of their servers before deciding
on a HP DL145.
Ian
On 5/6/05, Mischa Sandberg <mischa.sandberg@telus.net> wrote:
> After reading the comparisons between Opteron and Xeon processors for Linux,
> I'd like to add an Opteron box to our stable of Dells and Sparcs, for comparison.
>
> IBM, Sun and HP have their fairly pricey Opteron systems.
> The IT people are not swell about unsupported purchases off ebay.
> Anyone care to suggest any other vendors/distributors?
> Looking for names with national support, so that we can recommend as much to our
> customers.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
> --
> "Dreams come true, not free." -- S.Sondheim
>
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* Re: Whence the Opterons?
@ 2005-05-06 22:29 Steve Poe <spoe@sfnet.cc>
parent: Mischa Sandberg <mischa.sandberg@telus.net>
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From: Steve Poe @ 2005-05-06 22:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mischa Sandberg <mischa.sandberg@telus.net>; +Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
>IBM, Sun and HP have their fairly pricey Opteron systems.
>The IT people are not swell about unsupported purchases off ebay.
Mischa,
I certainly understand your concern, but the price and support
sometimes go hand-in-hand. You may have to pick your batttles if your
want more bang for the buck or more support. I might be wrong on this,
but not everything you buy on E-Bay is unsupported.
We purchase a dual Operton from Sun off their E-Bay store for about $3K
less than the "buy it now" price.
From an IT perspective, support is not as critical if I can do it
myself. If it is for business 24/7 operations, then the company should
be able to put some money behind what they want to put their business
on. Your mileage may vary.
Steve
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* Re: Whence the Opterons?
@ 2005-05-06 22:44 Gavin M. Roy <gmr@ehpg.net>
parent: Steve Poe <spoe@sfnet.cc>
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From: Gavin M. Roy @ 2005-05-06 22:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Steve Poe <spoe@sfnet.cc>; +Cc: Mischa Sandberg <mischa.sandberg@telus.net>; pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
Please wait a week before buying Sun v20z's or v40z's from off of Ebay
(j/k). (As I'm in the process of picking up a few) From everything I
hear the v20z/v40z's are a great way to go and I'll know more in 15 days
or so.
Regards,
Gavin
Steve Poe wrote:
>> IBM, Sun and HP have their fairly pricey Opteron systems.
>> The IT people are not swell about unsupported purchases off ebay.
>
>
>
> Mischa,
>
> I certainly understand your concern, but the price and support
> sometimes go hand-in-hand. You may have to pick your batttles if your
> want more bang for the buck or more support. I might be wrong on this,
> but not everything you buy on E-Bay is unsupported.
>
> We purchase a dual Operton from Sun off their E-Bay store for about
> $3K less than the "buy it now" price.
>
> From an IT perspective, support is not as critical if I can do it
> myself. If it is for business 24/7 operations, then the company should
> be able to put some money behind what they want to put their business
> on. Your mileage may vary.
>
> Steve
>
>
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* Re: Whence the Opterons?
@ 2005-05-07 14:57 Andrew Sullivan <ajs@crankycanuck.ca>
parent: Mischa Sandberg <mischa.sandberg@telus.net>
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From: Andrew Sullivan @ 2005-05-07 14:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 02:39:11PM -0700, Mischa Sandberg wrote:
> IBM, Sun and HP have their fairly pricey Opteron systems.
We've had some quite good experiences with the HP boxes. They're not
cheap, it's true, but boy are they sweet.
A
--
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In the future this spectacle of the middle classes shocking the avant-
garde will probably become the textbook definition of Postmodernism.
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* Re: Whence the Opterons?
@ 2005-05-07 21:00 Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
parent: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@crankycanuck.ca>
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From: Josh Berkus @ 2005-05-07 21:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@crankycanuck.ca>; +Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
A-
> On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 02:39:11PM -0700, Mischa Sandberg wrote:
> > IBM, Sun and HP have their fairly pricey Opteron systems.
>
> We've had some quite good experiences with the HP boxes. They're not
> cheap, it's true, but boy are they sweet.
Question, though: is HP still using their proprietary RAID card? And, if so,
have they fixed its performance problems?
--
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: Whence the Opterons?
@ 2005-05-08 21:59 Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>
parent: Mischa Sandberg <mischa.sandberg@telus.net>
5 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Sam Vilain @ 2005-05-08 21:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mischa Sandberg <mischa.sandberg@telus.net>; +Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
Mischa Sandberg wrote:
> After reading the comparisons between Opteron and Xeon processors for Linux,
> I'd like to add an Opteron box to our stable of Dells and Sparcs, for comparison.
> IBM, Sun and HP have their fairly pricey Opteron systems.
> The IT people are not swell about unsupported purchases off ebay.
> Anyone care to suggest any other vendors/distributors?
Check out the Tyan Transport systems. Tyan are an ex Sparc clone manufacturer, and
released the second available Opteron board - widely considered the first serious
Opteron board to hit the market.
Sam.
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* Re: Whence the Opterons?
@ 2005-05-08 22:33 Mischa Sandberg <mischa.sandberg@telus.net>
parent: Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>
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From: Mischa Sandberg @ 2005-05-08 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>; +Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
Thanks to everyone for their pointers to suppliers of Opteron systems.
The system I'm pricing is under a tighter budget than a production machine,
because it will be for perftests. Our customers tend to run on Dells but
occasionally run on (Sun) Opterons.
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* Re: Whence the Opterons?
@ 2005-05-09 02:17 Geoffrey <esoteric@3times25.net>
parent: Mischa Sandberg <mischa.sandberg@telus.net>
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From: Geoffrey @ 2005-05-09 02:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mischa Sandberg <mischa.sandberg@telus.net>; +Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
Mischa Sandberg wrote:
> After reading the comparisons between Opteron and Xeon processors for Linux,
> I'd like to add an Opteron box to our stable of Dells and Sparcs, for comparison.
>
> IBM, Sun and HP have their fairly pricey Opteron systems.
> The IT people are not swell about unsupported purchases off ebay.
> Anyone care to suggest any other vendors/distributors?
> Looking for names with national support, so that we can recommend as much to our
> customers.
Monarch Computer http://www.monarchcomputer.com/
They have prebuilt and custom built systems.
--
Until later, Geoffrey
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* Re: Whence the Opterons?
@ 2005-05-09 15:18 John A Meinel <john@arbash-meinel.com>
parent: Geoffrey <esoteric@3times25.net>
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From: John A Meinel @ 2005-05-09 15:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Geoffrey <esoteric@3times25.net>; +Cc: Mischa Sandberg <mischa.sandberg@telus.net>; pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
Geoffrey wrote:
> Mischa Sandberg wrote:
>
>> After reading the comparisons between Opteron and Xeon processors for
>> Linux,
>> I'd like to add an Opteron box to our stable of Dells and Sparcs, for
>> comparison.
>>
>> IBM, Sun and HP have their fairly pricey Opteron systems.
>> The IT people are not swell about unsupported purchases off ebay.
>> Anyone care to suggest any other vendors/distributors?
>> Looking for names with national support, so that we can recommend as
>> much to our
>> customers.
>
>
> Monarch Computer http://www.monarchcomputer.com/
>
> They have prebuilt and custom built systems.
>
I believe we have had some issues with their workstation class systems.
Just a high rate of part failure, and DOA systems.
I believe they RMA'd without too great of difficulties, but it was
something like 50%.
John
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* Re: Whence the Opterons?
@ 2005-05-09 20:00 Geoffrey <esoteric@3times25.net>
parent: John A Meinel <john@arbash-meinel.com>
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From: Geoffrey @ 2005-05-09 20:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
John A Meinel wrote:
> Geoffrey wrote:
>
>> Mischa Sandberg wrote:
>>
>>> After reading the comparisons between Opteron and Xeon processors for
>>> Linux,
>>> I'd like to add an Opteron box to our stable of Dells and Sparcs, for
>>> comparison.
>>>
>>> IBM, Sun and HP have their fairly pricey Opteron systems.
>>> The IT people are not swell about unsupported purchases off ebay.
>>> Anyone care to suggest any other vendors/distributors?
>>> Looking for names with national support, so that we can recommend as
>>> much to our
>>> customers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Monarch Computer http://www.monarchcomputer.com/
>>
>> They have prebuilt and custom built systems.
>>
>
> I believe we have had some issues with their workstation class systems.
> Just a high rate of part failure, and DOA systems.
>
> I believe they RMA'd without too great of difficulties, but it was
> something like 50%.
Ouch, that's not been my experiences. I'd like to hear if anyone else
has had such problems with Monarch.
--
Until later, Geoffrey
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* Re: Whence the Opterons?
@ 2005-05-13 21:07 Andrew Sullivan <ajs@crankycanuck.ca>
parent: Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
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From: Andrew Sullivan @ 2005-05-13 21:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 02:00:34PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
>
> Question, though: is HP still using their proprietary RAID card? And, if so,
> have they fixed its performance problems?
According to my folks here, we're using the CCISS controllers, so I
guess they are. The systems are nevertheless performing very well --
we did a load test that was pretty impressive. Also, Chris Browne
pointed me to this for the drivers:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/cciss/
A
--
Andrew Sullivan | ajs@crankycanuck.ca
A certain description of men are for getting out of debt, yet are
against all taxes for raising money to pay it off.
--Alexander Hamilton
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* Re: Whence the Opterons?
@ 2005-06-10 12:34 Richard Rowell <richard@bowmansystems.com>
parent: Mischa Sandberg <mischa.sandberg@telus.net>
5 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Richard Rowell @ 2005-06-10 12:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
I will second the nod to Penguin computing. We have a bit of Penguin
hardware here (though the majority is Dell). We did have issues with
one machine a couple of years ago, but Penguin was very pro-active in
addressing that.
We recently picked up a Dual Opteron system from them and have been very
pleased with it so far.
I would be careful of the RHES that it ships with though. We had
machine lockups immediately after the suggested kernel update (had to
down grade manually). Also, the RH supplied Postgres binary has issues,
so you would need to compile Postgres yourself until the next RH update.
On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 14:39 -0700, Mischa Sandberg wrote:
> After reading the comparisons between Opteron and Xeon processors for Linux,
> I'd like to add an Opteron box to our stable of Dells and Sparcs, for comparison.
>
> IBM, Sun and HP have their fairly pricey Opteron systems.
> The IT people are not swell about unsupported purchases off ebay.
> Anyone care to suggest any other vendors/distributors?
> Looking for names with national support, so that we can recommend as much to our
> customers.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
--
--
Richard Rowell
richard@bowmansystems.com
Bowman Systems
(318) 213-8780
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2005-05-06 22:09 ` Ian Meyer <ianmmeyer@gmail.com>
2005-05-06 22:29 ` Steve Poe <spoe@sfnet.cc>
2005-05-06 22:44 ` Gavin M. Roy <gmr@ehpg.net>
2005-05-07 14:57 ` Andrew Sullivan <ajs@crankycanuck.ca>
2005-05-07 21:00 ` Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
2005-05-13 21:07 ` Andrew Sullivan <ajs@crankycanuck.ca>
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2005-05-08 22:33 ` Mischa Sandberg <mischa.sandberg@telus.net>
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2005-05-09 15:18 ` John A Meinel <john@arbash-meinel.com>
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