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* Windows CHM format for the documents
@ 2003-09-08 00:37 [email protected]
2003-09-08 03:00 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
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From: [email protected] @ 2003-09-08 00:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-docs
Hello,
As Postgres is now going native to Windows platform, many people will
probably want a CHM format (HTML Help) of the manuals.
I have made one from the User Guide, and I can make those from the other
manuals too if people would like to see more of them. The CHM is at address
http://www.visiomode.com/help/pg/
There is also a web viewing capability at address
http://www.visiomode.com/help/help/starthelp.php?doc=1&grp=5
Further, that document (and others) can be edited also in the web by the
software that I've made the CHM with. You can test the editing at address.
http://www.visiomode.com/help/help/
Username: pg
password: 1a2s3d
- The wysiwyg editor requires IE. Use "plain" editor (set from
File->preferences) if you don't have IE.
If you want to take that software in to use, I can give a license of it to
PostgreSQL community. In any case, I can create CHMs for you if you want.
Thanks,
Ilkka
--
Ilkka Huotari
http://www.visiomode.com/
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* Re: Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 00:37 Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
@ 2003-09-08 03:00 ` Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 07:26 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
2003-09-10 17:45 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Momjian @ 2003-09-08 03:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; +Cc: pgsql-docs; PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
[email protected] wrote:
> Hello,
>
> As Postgres is now going native to Windows platform, many people will
> probably want a CHM format (HTML Help) of the manuals.
>
> I have made one from the User Guide, and I can make those from the other
> manuals too if people would like to see more of them. The CHM is at address
> http://www.visiomode.com/help/pg/
>
> There is also a web viewing capability at address
> http://www.visiomode.com/help/help/starthelp.php?doc=1&grp=5
>
> Further, that document (and others) can be edited also in the web by the
> software that I've made the CHM with. You can test the editing at address.
> http://www.visiomode.com/help/help/
> Username: pg
> password: 1a2s3d
> - The wysiwyg editor requires IE. Use "plain" editor (set from
> File->preferences) if you don't have IE.
>
> If you want to take that software in to use, I can give a license of it to
> PostgreSQL community. In any case, I can create CHMs for you if you want.
I have added that to the Win32 project page:
http://momjian.postgresql.org/main/writings/pgsql/win32.html
--
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[email protected] | (610) 359-1001
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* Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 00:37 Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 03:00 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
@ 2003-09-08 07:26 ` Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 10:05 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Andreas Pflug <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 21:07 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
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From: Darko Prenosil @ 2003-09-08 07:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; [email protected]; +Cc: pgsql-docs; PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
On Monday 08 September 2003 05:00, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > As Postgres is now going native to Windows platform, many people will
> > probably want a CHM format (HTML Help) of the manuals.
> >
>
Bruce, we have done that before a month for pgAdmin for entire postgresql
documentation. Please contact Andreas - no need to do it again !
Regards !
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* Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 00:37 Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 03:00 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 07:26 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
@ 2003-09-08 10:05 ` Andreas Pflug <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 11:12 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
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From: Andreas Pflug @ 2003-09-08 10:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>; +Cc: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; pgsql-docs; PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
Darko Prenosil wrote:
>On Monday 08 September 2003 05:00, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>As Postgres is now going native to Windows platform, many people will
>>>probably want a CHM format (HTML Help) of the manuals.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>Bruce, we have done that before a month for pgAdmin for entire postgresql
>documentation. Please contact Andreas - no need to do it again !
>
>
>
What we *not* have done so far is extracting keywords from the doc. It's
not easy for us pgadminers keeping up-to-date with the doc, but it's
doable (we need to notice added/deleted pages to update the contents),
but maintaining the keywords is probably beyond our capabilities.
Regards,
Andreas
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* Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 00:37 Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 03:00 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 07:26 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 10:05 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Andreas Pflug <[email protected]>
@ 2003-09-08 11:12 ` Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
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From: Darko Prenosil @ 2003-09-08 11:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andreas Pflug <[email protected]>; +Cc: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; pgsql-docs; PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
On Monday 08 September 2003 12:05, Andreas Pflug wrote:
> Darko Prenosil wrote:
> >On Monday 08 September 2003 05:00, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >>[email protected] wrote:
> >>>Hello,
> >>>
> >>>As Postgres is now going native to Windows platform, many people will
> >>>probably want a CHM format (HTML Help) of the manuals.
> >
> >Bruce, we have done that before a month for pgAdmin for entire postgresql
> >documentation. Please contact Andreas - no need to do it again !
>
> What we *not* have done so far is extracting keywords from the doc. It's
> not easy for us pgadminers keeping up-to-date with the doc, but it's
> doable (we need to notice added/deleted pages to update the contents),
> but maintaining the keywords is probably beyond our capabilities.
>
Extracting words from docs would be difficult, but if keywords from
"bookindex.html" are god enough - it can be done.
Regards !
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* Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 00:37 Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 03:00 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 07:26 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
@ 2003-09-08 21:07 ` [email protected]
2003-09-08 21:18 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Christopher Browne <[email protected]>
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From: [email protected] @ 2003-09-08 21:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-docs; PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
Ok,
I made a CHM that contains all those documents (6 of them) .. It's also in
http://www.visiomode.com/help/pg/
I would be so happy if you wanted to take my software for the editing
process .. :) But in any case, if there is use for those CHMs, that would be
great too.
Ilkka
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darko Prenosil" <[email protected]>
To: "Bruce Momjian" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>; "PostgreSQL Win32 port list"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] [DOCS] Windows CHM format for the
documents
> On Monday 08 September 2003 05:00, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > [email protected] wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > As Postgres is now going native to Windows platform, many people will
> > > probably want a CHM format (HTML Help) of the manuals.
> > >
> >
> Bruce, we have done that before a month for pgAdmin for entire postgresql
> documentation. Please contact Andreas - no need to do it again !
>
> Regards !
>
>
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* Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 00:37 Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 03:00 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 07:26 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 21:07 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
@ 2003-09-08 21:18 ` Christopher Browne <[email protected]>
2003-09-10 01:53 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
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From: Christopher Browne @ 2003-09-08 21:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-docs
[email protected] writes:
> I made a CHM that contains all those documents (6 of them) .. It's also in
> http://www.visiomode.com/help/pg/
Cool!
> I would be so happy if you wanted to take my software for the
> editing process .. :) But in any case, if there is use for those
> CHMs, that would be great too.
The source format of DocBook SGML is a whole lot more widely usable on
most of the platforms on which PostgreSQL runs, so I would hope that
your software has some sort of "batch mode" that can accept HTML (or
something like HTML) and transform it into .chm files. The preference
would only be likely to swing in your direction if PostgreSQL became
more prevalent on Windows than on Unix.
--
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http://cbbrowne.com/info/advocacy.html
"Seriously, I think you really need to find out who took your sense of
humor, beat the crap out of him, and take it back. It's getting old."
-- Michael J Ash <[email protected]>, on comp.lang.objective-c
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* Re: Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 00:37 Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 03:00 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 07:26 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 21:07 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 21:18 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Christopher Browne <[email protected]>
@ 2003-09-10 01:53 ` [email protected]
2003-09-10 17:29 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>
2003-09-10 17:43 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai <[email protected]>
2003-09-10 20:33 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Christopher Browne <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 3 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: [email protected] @ 2003-09-10 01:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-docs; +Cc: Andreas Pflug <[email protected]>
> The source format of DocBook SGML is a whole lot more widely usable on
> most of the platforms on which PostgreSQL runs, so I would hope that
> your software has some sort of "batch mode" that can accept HTML (or
> something like HTML) and transform it into .chm files. The preference
> would only be likely to swing in your direction if PostgreSQL became
> more prevalent on Windows than on Unix.
Yes, exactly like that, it has the ability to import documents from many
different formats. There is an PHP API for importing documents into the
"internal format" (=database), and it's quite straightforward to write
plugins for different types of documents. I just made a plugin for the
Postgres documents a couple of days ago, it eats the HTML that is in
PostgreSQL site. Also it has the ability to import long html files.
Then, the software can "export" the documents in different formats as well.
The formats supported are:
- Long HTML files
- PDF (with a table of contents)
- CHM
- More can be written, ie. if you want to offer the documents the same way
as they are now on the web, that is not a big task.
Also there is the possibility to view on the web while they are in the
"internal" format.
As Postgres documentation are most probably written in quite a (highly?)
collaborative way, I think my software would be good to help you to maintain
those documents.I think Andreas just mentioned that maintaing is a bit
difficult, and this might help you. There is one type of multiauthoring
support implemented which means:
- An instructive chapter locking
- The "editing history" can be seen for every "topic", ie. who as edited a
topic and when.
What comes to keywords discussed, they can be maintained in the "index"
section. Keywords can also be read from the file by a plugin.
I'm not sure if it would be a bad thing to give up DocBook, but I cannot see
anything but benefits from using this other type of document development...
This software is now "almost ready", so it lacks small things that will be
done a in near future. I'm not asking money naturally (I shouldn't even
mention this) but to see my software in action would be enough.
A couple of urls:
Editing:
http://www.visiomode.com/help/help/
username: pg
password: 1a2s3d
(don't try to import pg documents now, please, but instead try to edit the
current one)
Viewing:
http://www.visiomode.com/help/help/starthelp.php?doc=1&grp=5
Thanks,
Ilkka
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* Re: Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 00:37 Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 03:00 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 07:26 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 21:07 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 21:18 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Christopher Browne <[email protected]>
2003-09-10 01:53 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
@ 2003-09-10 17:29 ` Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>
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From: Peter Eisentraut @ 2003-09-10 17:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; +Cc: pgsql-docs; Andreas Pflug <[email protected]>
[email protected] writes:
> I'm not sure if it would be a bad thing to give up DocBook, but I cannot see
> anything but benefits from using this other type of document development...
I don't see any advantages that this would have over the current setup.
--
Peter Eisentraut [email protected]
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* Re: Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 00:37 Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 03:00 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 07:26 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 21:07 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 21:18 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Christopher Browne <[email protected]>
2003-09-10 01:53 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
@ 2003-09-10 17:43 ` Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai <[email protected]>
2003-09-10 18:30 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
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From: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai @ 2003-09-10 17:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; +Cc: pgsql-docs; Andreas Pflug <[email protected]>
-On [20030910 04:02], [email protected] ([email protected]) wrote:
>I'm not sure if it would be a bad thing to give up DocBook, but I cannot see
>anything but benefits from using this other type of document development...
It would be. Editing simple text files is less cumbersome for a
technical writer than it is to do everything on the database/front-end.
(And I work as a professional technical writer in case someone cared.)
--
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <asmodai(at)wxs.nl> / asmodai
PGP fingerprint: 2D92 980E 45FE 2C28 9DB7 9D88 97E6 839B 2EAC 625B
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* Re: Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 00:37 Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 03:00 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 07:26 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 21:07 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 21:18 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Christopher Browne <[email protected]>
2003-09-10 01:53 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-10 17:43 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai <[email protected]>
@ 2003-09-10 18:30 ` [email protected]
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From: [email protected] @ 2003-09-10 18:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-docs
> >I'm not sure if it would be a bad thing to give up DocBook, but I cannot
see
> >anything but benefits from using this other type of document
development...
>
> It would be. Editing simple text files is less cumbersome for a
> technical writer than it is to do everything on the database/front-end.
>
> (And I work as a professional technical writer in case someone cared.)
Yes that makes sense...
I'll come up with something to make editing easier. Probably the whole stuff
would be in the editor at the same time..
Thanks for the feedback.
Ilkka
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* Re: Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 00:37 Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 03:00 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 07:26 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 21:07 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 21:18 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Christopher Browne <[email protected]>
2003-09-10 01:53 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
@ 2003-09-10 20:33 ` Christopher Browne <[email protected]>
2003-09-14 00:03 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Christopher Browne @ 2003-09-10 20:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-docs
[email protected] wrote:
> I'm not sure if it would be a bad thing to give up DocBook, but I cannot see
> anything but benefits from using this other type of document development...
I cannot see anything but problems from using this.
- The current usage allows people to work on documents as files, using
whatever editing tools they like. With your "server software," that
is lost.
- Current usage uses CVS to manage changes. This allows changes to be
looked at and approved/rejected/modified. I haven't any idea if
your system uses text files in behind, it sounds like not.
- Current usage does not mandate that anyone have a synchronous
connection to a central server that becomes bottleneck / vulnerable
point.
The apparent "benefit" of your tool is that it provides a tool with a
user interface that slavishly follows the Windows "CHM file" viewer.
That may be an advantage to those that want to slavishly follow
Windows development/deployment "standards," but I daresay you're NOT
in a community that is particularly interested in that sort of thing.
--
wm(X,Y):-write(X),write('@'),write(Y). wm('aa454','freenet.carleton.ca').
http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/nonrdbms.html
Sturgeon's Law: 90% of *EVERYTHING* is crud.
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* Re: Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 00:37 Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 03:00 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 07:26 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
2003-09-08 21:07 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 21:18 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Christopher Browne <[email protected]>
2003-09-10 01:53 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-10 20:33 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Christopher Browne <[email protected]>
@ 2003-09-14 00:03 ` [email protected]
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From: [email protected] @ 2003-09-14 00:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-docs
> - The current usage allows people to work on documents as files, using
> whatever editing tools they like. With your "server software," that
> is lost.
Yes, it is harder to use any tool for editing (though not
impossible,copy/paste could be used :-).
There are benefits from using the same tool too - the output will probably
look the same throughout the document. The central server idea emphasizes
this even more I think ... and the programmatically (sp?) :-)
> - Current usage uses CVS to manage changes. This allows changes to be
> looked at and approved/rejected/modified. I haven't any idea if
> your system uses text files in behind, it sounds like not.
Creating some of the CVS features wouldn't be a problem at all. For example
storing certain situations (labeling) would be a good idea (of course the
current backuping could be used for this as well).
> - Current usage does not mandate that anyone have a synchronous
> connection to a central server that becomes bottleneck / vulnerable
> point.
Yes, well, nowadays most people have fixed lines (in the future more so), I
wouldn't count this a big drawback.
> The apparent "benefit" of your tool is that it provides a tool with a
> user interface that slavishly follows the Windows "CHM file" viewer.
> That may be an advantage to those that want to slavishly follow
> Windows development/deployment "standards," but I daresay you're NOT
> in a community that is particularly interested in that sort of thing.
I'm far away from favoring any particular OS. Personally I have done more
Unix/Linux development than Windows. But as long as this shouldn't be an OS
war forum, I think all OSs pretty much suck at some things, and are good at
others.
CHM is only one choice for output, and besides it's not only for Windows.
http://xchm.sourceforge.net/ there's a CHM viewer for Linux. There are more
similar kinds of viewers with slightly different file format, but they do
the same. I think that CHM has its advantages and I like using them.
I'm fine if you want to use your tools, and sorry if I bothered you...It was
just an option that I presented and you have given some good feedback of it.
Ilkka
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* Re: Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 00:37 Windows CHM format for the documents [email protected]
2003-09-08 03:00 ` Re: Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
@ 2003-09-10 17:45 ` Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai <[email protected]>
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From: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai @ 2003-09-10 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; pgsql-docs; PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
-On [20030908 05:02], Bruce Momjian ([email protected]) wrote:
>I have added that to the Win32 project page:
>
> http://momjian.postgresql.org/main/writings/pgsql/win32.html
If you move to DocBook/XML and use XSL(T) you can use the htmlhelp.xsl
stylesheet and go directly to CHM from XML files.
--
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mistake...
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* Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents
@ 2003-09-08 07:14 Dave Page <[email protected]>
2003-09-13 16:32 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2003-09-08 07:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; [email protected]; +Cc: pgsql-docs; PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 08 September 2003 04:00
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]; PostgreSQL Win32 port list
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] [DOCS] Windows CHM format
> for the documents
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > As Postgres is now going native to Windows platform, many
> people will
> > probably want a CHM format (HTML Help) of the manuals.
> >
> > I have made one from the User Guide, and I can make those from the
> > other manuals too if people would like to see more of them.
> The CHM is
> > at address http://www.visiomode.com/help/pg/
> >
> > There is also a web viewing capability at address
> > http://www.visiomode.com/help/help/starthelp.php?doc=1&grp=5
> >
> > Further, that document (and others) can be edited also in
> the web by
> > the software that I've made the CHM with. You can test the
> editing at
> > address. http://www.visiomode.com/help/help/
> > Username: pg
> > password: 1a2s3d
> > - The wysiwyg editor requires IE. Use "plain" editor (set from
> > File->preferences) if you don't have IE.
> >
> > If you want to take that software in to use, I can give a
> license of
> > it to PostgreSQL community. In any case, I can create CHMs
> for you if
> > you want.
>
> I have added that to the Win32 project page:
>
pgAdmin already has the complete document set in chm format. The
contents files etc can be found at
http://cvs.pgadmin.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgadmin3/docs/en_US/.
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 07:14 Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2003-09-13 16:32 ` Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2003-09-13 16:50 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Andreas Pflug <[email protected]>
2003-09-13 17:03 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
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From: Bruce Momjian @ 2003-09-13 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; pgsql-docs; PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
Dave Page wrote:
> > I have added that to the Win32 project page:
> >
>
> pgAdmin already has the complete document set in chm format. The
> contents files etc can be found at
> http://cvs.pgadmin.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgadmin3/docs/en_US/.
Where is the actual CHM file at that URL?
--
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[email protected] | (610) 359-1001
+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road
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* Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 07:14 Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Dave Page <[email protected]>
2003-09-13 16:32 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
@ 2003-09-13 16:50 ` Andreas Pflug <[email protected]>
2003-09-13 17:05 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
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From: Andreas Pflug @ 2003-09-13 16:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-docs; PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
Bruce Momjian wrote:
>Dave Page wrote:
>
>
>>>I have added that to the Win32 project page:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>pgAdmin already has the complete document set in chm format. The
>>contents files etc can be found at
>>http://cvs.pgadmin.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgadmin3/docs/en_US/.
>>
>>
>
>Where is the actual CHM file at that URL?
>
>
Dave removed it from cvs, it can now be found at
http://snake.pgadmin.org/snapshots/help/en_US/pgadmin3.chm
Regards,
Andreas
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* Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 07:14 Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Dave Page <[email protected]>
2003-09-13 16:32 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2003-09-13 16:50 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Andreas Pflug <[email protected]>
@ 2003-09-13 17:05 ` Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
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From: Bruce Momjian @ 2003-09-13 17:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andreas Pflug <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-docs; PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
Andreas Pflug wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> >Dave Page wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>I have added that to the Win32 project page:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>pgAdmin already has the complete document set in chm format. The
> >>contents files etc can be found at
> >>http://cvs.pgadmin.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgadmin3/docs/en_US/.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Where is the actual CHM file at that URL?
> >
> >
> Dave removed it from cvs, it can now be found at
>
> http://snake.pgadmin.org/snapshots/help/en_US/pgadmin3.chm
Perfect. URL updated.
--
Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us
[email protected] | (610) 359-1001
+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road
+ Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
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* Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-08 07:14 Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Dave Page <[email protected]>
2003-09-13 16:32 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
@ 2003-09-13 17:03 ` Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
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From: Darko Prenosil @ 2003-09-13 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; pgsql-docs; PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Momjian" <[email protected]>
To: "Dave Page" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "PostgreSQL Win32
port list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] [DOCS] Windows CHM format for the
documents
> Dave Page wrote:
> > > I have added that to the Win32 project page:
> > >
> >
> > pgAdmin already has the complete document set in chm format. The
> > contents files etc can be found at
> > http://cvs.pgadmin.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgadmin3/docs/en_US/.
>
> Where is the actual CHM file at that URL?
http://cvs.pgadmin.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgadmin3/docs/en_US/pgadmin3.hhp
http://cvs.pgadmin.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgadmin3/docs/en_US/pgadmin3.hhc
Are CHM project files.
There is no CHM file, because it is compiled in Make process.
You'll have to remove few pages that are actually pgadmin's help, but it is
much easier then write it again.
Pgadmin's help is organized in the way that postgresql pages are under "pg"
subdirectory, but this is nothing that simple "find-replace" cant solve. If
You wish, I'll do that, and send You the clear postgresql project files.
Regards !
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* Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents
@ 2003-09-13 19:03 Dave Page <[email protected]>
2003-09-13 21:27 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
2003-09-14 00:28 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: Dave Page @ 2003-09-13 19:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; Andreas Pflug <[email protected]>; Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-docs; PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 13 September 2003 18:05
> To: Andreas Pflug
> Cc: Dave Page; [email protected]; PostgreSQL Win32 port list
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] [DOCS] Windows CHM format
> for the documents
>
>
> > >
> > Dave removed it from cvs, it can now be found at
> >
> > http://snake.pgadmin.org/snapshots/help/en_US/pgadmin3.chm
>
> Perfect. URL updated.
Hang on, what URL? That's one of our dev boxs which has limited
bandwidth - I'm happy for us to provide the hhp/hhk files for public
consumption, but I'd rather not advertise a url to a 2+Mb file on that
particular machine.
Darko - in another email you offered to make a pgAdmin-free version. If
you can do that, I will put the project files and resulting chm file on
www.postgresql.org.
Thanks, Dave.
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* Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-13 19:03 Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2003-09-13 21:27 ` Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
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From: Darko Prenosil @ 2003-09-13 21:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; Andreas Pflug <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-docs; PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
>>Darko - in another email you offered to make a pgAdmin-free version. If
>>you can do that, I will put the project files and resulting chm file on
>>www.postgresql.org.
>>Thanks, Dave.
Consider it done. Should I send it to Your private mail ? I am asking
because chm is large, and there will be no sense to send it to list.
I am using this opportunity to mention that there is CHM support for
docbook. Just started reading documentation, and do not know how much work
will be to enable hhp build from current sgml, but I think that it is work
trying.
Regards !
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* Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-13 19:03 Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2003-09-14 00:28 ` Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2003-09-14 14:32 ` Re: [DOCS] Windows CHM format for the documents Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
2003-09-14 14:47 ` Re: [DOCS] Windows CHM format for the documents Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
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From: Bruce Momjian @ 2003-09-14 00:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: Andreas Pflug <[email protected]>; Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>; pgsql-docs; PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
Dave Page wrote:
> > > http://snake.pgadmin.org/snapshots/help/en_US/pgadmin3.chm
> >
> > Perfect. URL updated.
>
> Hang on, what URL? That's one of our dev boxs which has limited
> bandwidth - I'm happy for us to provide the hhp/hhk files for public
> consumption, but I'd rather not advertise a url to a 2+Mb file on that
> particular machine.
>
> Darko - in another email you offered to make a pgAdmin-free version. If
> you can do that, I will put the project files and resulting chm file on
> www.postgresql.org.
Give me the updated URL when you have it. I don't expect many people to
download the file, but I would bet web searchers might hit it.
--
Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us
[email protected] | (610) 359-1001
+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road
+ Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
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* Re: [DOCS] Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-13 19:03 Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Dave Page <[email protected]>
2003-09-14 00:28 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
@ 2003-09-14 14:32 ` Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
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From: Darko Prenosil @ 2003-09-14 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Momjian" <[email protected]>
To: "Dave Page" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Andreas Pflug" <[email protected]>; "Darko Prenosil"
<[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "PostgreSQL Win32
port list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] [DOCS] Windows CHM format for the
documents
> Dave Page wrote:
> > > > http://snake.pgadmin.org/snapshots/help/en_US/pgadmin3.chm
> > >
> > > Perfect. URL updated.
> >
> > Hang on, what URL? That's one of our dev boxs which has limited
> > bandwidth - I'm happy for us to provide the hhp/hhk files for public
> > consumption, but I'd rather not advertise a url to a 2+Mb file on that
> > particular machine.
> >
> > Darko - in another email you offered to make a pgAdmin-free version. If
> > you can do that, I will put the project files and resulting chm file on
> > www.postgresql.org.
>
> Give me the updated URL when you have it. I don't expect many people to
> download the file, but I would bet web searchers might hit it.
>
I send it Yesterday.
Andreas, please confirm that You got it. I am concerned because of that
large zip attachment.
Regards !
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* Re: [DOCS] Windows CHM format for the documents
2003-09-13 19:03 Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Dave Page <[email protected]>
2003-09-14 00:28 ` Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
@ 2003-09-14 14:47 ` Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>
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From: Darko Prenosil @ 2003-09-14 14:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; Andreas Pflug <[email protected]>; +Cc: PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Momjian" <[email protected]>
To: "Dave Page" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Andreas Pflug" <[email protected]>; "Darko Prenosil"
<[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "PostgreSQL Win32
port list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] [DOCS] Windows CHM format for the
documents
> Dave Page wrote:
> > > > http://snake.pgadmin.org/snapshots/help/en_US/pgadmin3.chm
> > >
> > > Perfect. URL updated.
> >
> > Hang on, what URL? That's one of our dev boxs which has limited
> > bandwidth - I'm happy for us to provide the hhp/hhk files for public
> > consumption, but I'd rather not advertise a url to a 2+Mb file on that
> > particular machine.
> >
> > Darko - in another email you offered to make a pgAdmin-free version. If
> > you can do that, I will put the project files and resulting chm file on
> > www.postgresql.org.
>
> Give me the updated URL when you have it. I don't expect many people to
> download the file, but I would bet web searchers might hit it.
>
Man, I should go to bed earlier. Sorry for the mess, I know Andreas and Dave
from pgadmin list and got mixed to which mail I should send those files. I
addressed it to Andreas - and the request was from Dave. Andreas please
check - hope You didn't delete it yet !
Regards !
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* Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] Windows CHM format for the documents
@ 2003-09-13 21:23 Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2003-09-13 21:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Darko Prenosil <[email protected]>; Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; Andreas Pflug <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-docs; PostgreSQL Win32 port list <[email protected]>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darko Prenosil [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 13 September 2003 22:28
> To: Dave Page; Bruce Momjian; Andreas Pflug
> Cc: [email protected]; PostgreSQL Win32 port list
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-hackers-win32] [DOCS] Windows CHM format
> for the documents
>
>
>
> >>Darko - in another email you offered to make a pgAdmin-free
> version.
> >>If you can do that, I will put the project files and resulting chm
> >>file on www.postgresql.org.
>
> >>Thanks, Dave.
>
> Consider it done. Should I send it to Your private mail ? I
> am asking because chm is large, and there will be no sense to
> send it to list. I am using this opportunity to mention that
> there is CHM support for docbook. Just started reading
> documentation, and do not know how much work will be to
> enable hhp build from current sgml, but I think that it is
> work trying.
Thanks Darko, email is fine.
Regards, Dave.
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