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From: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
To: Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
Cc: Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org, Smolkin Grigory <smallkeen@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Subject: Re: race condition in pg_class
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 01:17:22 -0400
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Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com> writes:
> Pushed.  Buildfarm member prion is failing the new inplace-inval.spec, almost
> surely because prion uses -DCATCACHE_FORCE_RELEASE and inplace-inval.spec is
> testing an extant failure to inval a cache entry.  Naturally, inexorable inval
> masks the extant bug.  Ideally, I'd just skip the test under any kind of cache
> clobber option.  I don't know a pleasant way to do that, so these are
> known-feasible things I'm considering:

> 1. Neutralize the test in all branches, probably by having it just not report
>    the final answer.  Undo in the later fix patch.

> 2. v14+ has pg_backend_memory_contexts.  In the test, run some plpgsql that
>    uses heuristics on that to deduce whether caches are getting released.
>    Have a separate expected output for the cache-release scenario.  Perhaps
>    also have the test treat installcheck like cache-release, since
>    installcheck could experience sinval reset with similar consequences.
>    Neutralize the test in v12 & v13.

> 3. Add a test module with a C function that reports whether any kind of cache
>    clobber is active.  Call it in this test.  Have a separate expected output
>    for the cache-release scenario.

> Preferences or other ideas?  I'm waffling between (1) and (2).  I'll give it
> more thought over the next day.

I'd just go for (1).  We were doing fine without this test case.
I can't see expending effort towards hiding its result rather
than actually fixing anything.

			regards, tom lane





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