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From: Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
To: Andreas Joseph Krogh <andreas@visena.com>
Cc: Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Cc: Michael Paquier <michael.paquier@gmail.com>
Cc: Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: Clarification in pg10's pgupgrade.html step 10 (upgrading standby servers)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 19:54:15 -0400
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Andreas,

* Andreas Joseph Krogh (andreas@visena.com) wrote:
> I have to ask; Why not run pg_upgrade on standby, after verifying that it's in 
> sync with primary and promoting it to primary if necessary and then making it 
> standby again after pg_upgrade is finished?

I don't think that we could be guaranteed that the catalog tables would
be the same on the replica as on the primary if they were actually
created by pg_upgrade.

The catalog tables *must* be identical between the primary and the
replica because they are updated subsequently through WAL replay, not
through SQL commands (which is how pg_upgrade creates them in the first
place).

Perhaps we could have some mode for pg_upgrade where it handles the
update to replicas (with the additional checks that I outlined and using
the methodology discussed for rsync --hard-links), but that would still
require solving the communicate-over-the-network problem between the
primary and the replicas, which is the hard part.  Whether it's an
independent utility or something built into pg_upgrade isn't really that
big of a distinction, though it doesn't seem to me like there'd be much
code reuse there.

Thanks!

Stephen

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