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From: Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Cc: Heath Lord <heath.lord@crunchydata.com>
Cc: Thomas Munro <thomas.munro@enterprisedb.com>
Cc: Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Cc: PostgreSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: "could not reattach to shared memory" on buildfarm member dory
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:59:14 -0700
Message-ID: <20180501025914.GA2777381@rfd.leadboat.com> (raw)
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On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 08:01:40PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> It's clear from dory's results that something is causing a 4MB chunk
> of memory to get reserved in the process's address space, sometimes.
> It might happen during the main MapViewOfFileEx call, or during the
> preceding VirtualFree, or with my map/unmap dance in place, it might
> happen during that.  Frequently it doesn't happen at all, at least not
> before the point where we've successfully done MapViewOfFileEx.  But
> if it does happen, and the chunk happens to get put in a spot that
> overlaps where we want to put the shmem block, kaboom.
> 
> What seems like a plausible theory at this point is that the apparent
> asynchronicity is due to the allocation being triggered by a different
> thread, and the fact that our added monitoring code seems to make the
> failure more likely can be explained by that code changing the timing.
> But what thread could it be?  It doesn't really look to me like either
> the signal thread or the timer thread could eat 4MB.  syslogger.c
> also spawns a thread, on Windows, but AFAICS that's not being used in
> this test configuration.  Maybe the reason dory is showing the problem
> is something or other is spawning a thread we don't even know about?

Likely some privileged daemon is creating a thread in every new process.  (On
Windows, it's not unusual for one process to create a thread in another
process.)  We don't have good control over that.

> I'm at a loss for a reasonable way to fix it
> for real.  Is there a way to seize control of a Windows process so that
> there are no other running threads?

I think not.

> Any other ideas?

PostgreSQL could retry the whole process creation, analogous to
internal_forkexec() retries.  Have the failed process exit after recording the
fact that it couldn't attach.  Make the postmaster notice and spawn a
replacement.  Give up after 100 failed attempts.




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