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From: Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
To: Thomas Munro <thomas.munro@enterprisedb.com>
Cc: Douglas Doole <dougdoole@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@2ndquadrant.com>
Cc: Christoph Berg <myon@debian.org>
Cc: Pg Hackers <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: Collation versioning
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 06:34:02 -0400
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Greetings,

* Thomas Munro (thomas.munro@enterprisedb.com) wrote:
> I'd like to propose the 3 more humble goals I mentioned a few messages
> back as earlier steps.  OS collation changes aren't really like Monty
> Python's Spanish Inquisition: they usually hit you when you're doing
> major operating system upgrades or setting up a streaming replica to a
> different OS version IIUC.  That is, they probably happen during
> maintenance windows when REINDEX would hopefully be plausible, and
> presumably critical systems get tested on the new OS version before
> production is upgraded.  It'd be kind to our users to make the problem
> non-silent at that time so they can plan for it (and of course also
> alert them if it happens when nobody expects it, because knowing you
> have a problem is better than not knowing).

Just to be clear, I'm all for this, but wanted to bring up the farther
out goal to make sure we're thinking about how to eventually get there
from here- and to make sure we aren't making it more difficult to get
there with the proposed catalog changes for these shorter-term goals.

Thanks!

Stephen

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