From: Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
To: James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] Incremental sort (was: PoC: Partial sort)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 02:19:13 +0100
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On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 12:51:34PM -0400, James Coleman wrote:
>In a previous email I'd summarized remaining TODOs I'd found. Here's
>an updated listed with several resolved.
>
>Resolved:
>
>2. Not marked in the patch, but in nodeIncrementalSort.c
>ExecIncrementalSort() I wonder if perhaps we should move the algorithm
>discussion comments up to the file header comment. On the other hand,
>I suppose it could be valuable to leave the the file header comment
>more high level about the mathematical properties of incremental sort
>rather than discussing the details of the hybrid mode.
>
>I've decided to do this, and the attached patch series includes the change.
>
It's a bit tough to find the right balance what to put into the header
comment and what should go to function comments, but this seems mostly
reasonable. I wouldn't use the double-tab indentation and the copyright
notices should stay at the top.
>3. nodeIncrementalSort.c ExecIncrementalSort() in the main for loop:
> * TODO: do we need to check for interrupts inside these loops or
> * will the outer node handle that?
>
>It seems like what we have is sufficient, given that the nodes (and
>sort) we rely on have their own calls. The one place where someone
>might make an argument otherwise would be in the mode transition
>function where we copy tuples from the full sort state to the
>presorted sort state. If this is a problem, let me know, and I'll
>change it, but I'm proceeding under the assumption for now that it's
>not.
>
I think what we have now is sufficient.
>4. nodeIncrementalSort.c ExecReScanIncrementalSort: This whole chunk
>is suspect. I've mentioned previously I don't have a great mental
>model of how rescan works and its invariants (IIRC someone said it was
>about moving around a result set in a cursor). Regardless I'm pretty
>sure this code just doesn't work correctly. Additionally the sort_Done
>variable is poorly named; it probably would make more sense to call it
>something like "scanHasBegun". I'm waiting to change it though until
>cleaning up this code more holistically.
>
>Fixed, as described in previous email.
>
>6. regress/expected/incremental_sort.out:
>-- TODO if an analyze happens here the plans might change; should we
>-- solve by inserting extra rows or by adding a GUC that would somehow
>-- forcing the time of plan we expect.
>
>I've decided this doesn't seem to be a real issue, so, comment removed.
>
OK
>7. Not listed as a comment in the patch, but I need to modify the
>testing for analyze output to parse out the memory/disk stats to the
>tests are stable.
>
>Included in the attached patch series. I use plpgsql to munge out the
>space kB numbers. I also discovered two bugs in the JSON output along
>the way and fixed those (memory and disk need to be output separate;
>disk was using the wrong "space type" enum). Finally I also use
>plpgsql to check a few invariants (for now just that max space is
>greater than or equal to the average.
>
OK
>8. optimizer/path/allpaths.c get_useful_pathkeys_for_relation:
>* XXX At the moment this can only ever return a list with a single element,
>* because it looks at query_pathkeys only. So we might return the pathkeys
>* directly, but it seems plausible we'll want to consider other orderings
>* in the future.
>
>I think we just leave this in as a comment.
>
Fine with me.
As a side note here, I'm wondering if this (determining useful pathkeys)
can be made a bit smarter by looking both at query_pathkeys and pathkeys
useful for merging, similarly to what truncate_useless_pathkeys() does.
But that can be seen as an improvement of what we do now.
>9. optimizer/path/allpaths.c get_useful_pathkeys_for_relation:
>* Considering query_pathkeys is always worth it, because it might let us
>* avoid a local sort.
>
>That originally was a copy from the fdw code, but since the two
>functions have diverged (Is that concerning? I could be confusing, but
>isn't a compilation problem) I didn't move the function.
>
I think it's OK the two functions diverged, it's simply because the FDW
one needs to check other things too. But I might rework this once I look
closer at truncate_useless_pathkeys.
>I did notice though that find_em_expr_for_rel() is wholesale copied
>(and unchanged) from the fdw code, so I moved it to equivclass.c so
>both places can share it.
>
+1
>
>Still remaining:
>
>1. src/backend/optimizer/util/pathnode.c add_partial_path()
>* XXX Perhaps we could do this only when incremental sort is enabled,
>* and use the simpler version (comparing just total cost) otherwise?
>
>I don't have a strong opinion here. It doesn't seem like a significant
>difference in terms of cost?
>
>5. planner.c create_ordered_paths:
>* XXX This only looks at sort_pathkeys. I wonder if it needs to look at the
>* other pathkeys (grouping, ...) like generate_useful_gather_paths.
>
>10. optimizer/path/allpaths.c generate_useful_gather_paths:
>* XXX I wonder if we need to consider adding a projection here, as
>* create_ordered_paths does.
>
>11. In the same function as the above:
>* XXX Can't we skip this (maybe only for the cheapest partial path)
>* when the path is already sorted? Then it's likely duplicate with
>* the path created by generate_gather_paths.
>
>12. In the same function as the above:
>* XXX This is not redundant with the gather merge path created in
>* generate_gather_paths, because that merely preserves ordering of
>* the cheapest partial path, while here we add an explicit sort to
>* get match the useful ordering.
>
>13. planner.c create_ordered_paths:
>* XXX This is probably duplicate with the paths we already generate
>* in generate_useful_gather_paths in apply_scanjoin_target_to_paths.
>
>Tomas, any chance you could take a look at the above XXX/questions? I
>believe all of them that remain relate to the planner patches.
>
Yes, I'll take a look over the weekend.
regards
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