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From: Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Cc: James Coleman <jtc331@gmail.com>
Cc: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com>
Cc: Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>
Cc: Rafia Sabih <rafia.pghackers@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie>
Cc: Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>
Cc: Shaun Thomas <shaun.thomas@2ndquadrant.com>
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Cc: Alexander Korotkov <a.korotkov@postgrespro.ru>
Cc: PostgreSQL Developers <pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org>
Cc: Andreas Karlsson <andreas@proxel.se>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Incremental sort (was: PoC: Partial sort)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 00:53:57 +0200
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On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 06:35:32PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
>Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com> writes:
>> In general, I think it'd be naive that we can make planner smarter with
>> no extra overhead spent on planning, and we can never accept patches
>> adding even tiny overhead. With that approach we'd probably end up with
>> a trivial planner that generates just a single query plan, because
>> that's going to be the fastest planner. A realistic approach needs to
>> consider both the planning and execution phase, and benefits of this
>> patch seem to be clear - if you have queries that do benefit from it.
>
>I think that's kind of attacking a straw man, though.  The thing that
>people push back on, or should push back on IMO, is when a proposed
>patch adds significant slowdown to queries that it has no or very little
>hope of improving.  The trick is to do expensive stuff only when
>there's a good chance of getting a better plan out of it.
>

Yeah, I agree with that. I think the main issue is that we don't really
know what the "expensive stuff" is in this case, so it's not really
clear how to be smarter :-(

One possibility is that it's just one of those regressions due to change
in binary layout, but I'm not sure know how to verify that.

regards

-- 
Tomas Vondra                  http://www.2ndQuadrant.com
PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services





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