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From: Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
To: Christoph Berg <myon@debian.org>
Cc: Peter Eisentraut <peter.eisentraut@enterprisedb.com>
Cc: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Cc: Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Cc: Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@oss.nttdata.com>
Cc: PostgreSQL Developers <pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: compute_query_id and pg_stat_statements
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:21:04 -0400
Message-ID: <20210426162104.GQ7629@momjian.us> (raw)
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On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 05:34:30PM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote:
> Re: Peter Eisentraut
> > > Agreed.  If pg_stat_statements were zero-configuration today then
> > > this would be an annoying new burden, but it isn't.
> > 
> > I think people can understand "add pg_stat_statements to
> > shared_preload_libraries" and "install the extension".  You have to turn it
> > on somehow after all.
> 
> Fwiw, I'd claim that pg_stat_statements *is* zero-configuration today.
> You just have to load the module (= shared_preload_libraries), and it
> will start working. Later you can run CREATE EXTENSION to actually see
> the stats, but they are already being collected in the background.
> 
> > Now there is the additional burden of turning on this weird setting that no
> > one understands.  That's a 50% increase in burden.
> > 
> > And almost no one will want to use a nondefault setting.
> > 
> > pg_stat_statements is pretty popular.  I think leaving in this requirement
> > will lead to widespread confusion and complaints.
> 
> Ack, please make the default config (i.e. after setting shared_preload_libraries)
> do something sensible. Having to enable some "weird" internal other setting
> will be very hard to explain to users.
> 
> Fwiw, I'd even want to have pg_stat_statements enabled in core by
> default. That would awesome UX. (And turning off could be as simple as
> setting compute_query_id=off.)

Techically, pg_stat_statements can turn on compute_query_id when it is
loaded, even if it is 'off' in postgresql.conf, right?  And
pg_stat_statements would know if an alternate hash method is being used,
right?

This is closer to Magnus's idea of having a three-value
compute_query_id, except is it more controlled by pg_stat_statements. 
Another idea would be to throw a user-visible warning if the
pg_stat_statements extension is loaded and compute_query_id is off.

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  Bruce Momjian  <bruce@momjian.us>        https://momjian.us
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