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Catversion bumps during beta (was Re: [Proposal] Expose internal MultiXact member count function for efficient monitoring)
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* Catversion bumps during beta (was Re: [Proposal] Expose internal MultiXact member count function for efficient monitoring)
@ 2026-09-22 16:01 Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
  2026-09-22 16:12 ` Re: Catversion bumps during beta (was Re: [Proposal] Expose internal MultiXact member count function for efficient monitoring) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
  2026-09-22 17:35 ` Re: Catversion bumps during beta (was Re: [Proposal] Expose internal MultiXact member count function for efficient monitoring) Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 4+ messages in thread

From: Heikki Linnakangas @ 2026-09-22 16:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nathan Bossart <nathandbossart@gmail.com>; Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>; +Cc: Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>; Sami Imseih <samimseih.pg@gmail.com>; Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>; Naga Appani <nagnrik@gmail.com>; Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh.bapat.oss@gmail.com>; Tomas Vondra <tomas@vondra.me>; Xuneng Zhou <xunengzhou@gmail.com>; torikoshia <torikoshia@oss.nttdata.com>; Kirill Reshke <reshkekirill@gmail.com>; pgsql-hackers

On 22/09/2026 18:46, Nathan Bossart wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 09:58:38AM -0400, Melanie Plageman wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 4:01 AM Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz> wrote:
>>> That would be OK here.  CC-ing Nathan for RMT input, as this would
>>> require a catversion bump.
>>
>> I don't have an issue with a catversion bump as long as it's before GA
>> and it doesn't make it more likely we'll have to change it again after
>> GA.
> 
> Same.  I'd think before RC1 would be preferable.

I'm cool with it. Sooner the better, of course.

I don't really mind catversion bumps during the beta period in general, 
I'm in the camp that if there's a change that would make the release 
better and it's not particularly risky, it's better to still sneak it in.

I feel I might be in the minority with that view though. Historically, 
we've avoided fixes that need catversion bumps late in the beta period, 
so that beta-testers don't need to pg_upgrade. I think that's a poor 
tradeoff, but if we're changing long-standing policy, the RMT probably 
isn't the right group for that. So, how do others feel?

- Heikki







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* Re: Catversion bumps during beta (was Re: [Proposal] Expose internal MultiXact member count function for efficient monitoring)
  2026-09-22 16:01 Catversion bumps during beta (was Re: [Proposal] Expose internal MultiXact member count function for efficient monitoring) Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
@ 2026-09-22 16:12 ` Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
  2026-09-22 16:40   ` Re: Catversion bumps during beta (was Re: [Proposal] Expose internal MultiXact member count function for efficient monitoring) Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread

From: Tom Lane @ 2026-09-22 16:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>; +Cc: Nathan Bossart <nathandbossart@gmail.com>; Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>; Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>; Sami Imseih <samimseih.pg@gmail.com>; Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>; Naga Appani <nagnrik@gmail.com>; Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh.bapat.oss@gmail.com>; Tomas Vondra <tomas@vondra.me>; Xuneng Zhou <xunengzhou@gmail.com>; torikoshia <torikoshia@oss.nttdata.com>; Kirill Reshke <reshkekirill@gmail.com>; pgsql-hackers

Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi> writes:
> I don't really mind catversion bumps during the beta period in general, 
> I'm in the camp that if there's a change that would make the release 
> better and it's not particularly risky, it's better to still sneak it in.

> I feel I might be in the minority with that view though. Historically, 
> we've avoided fixes that need catversion bumps late in the beta period, 
> so that beta-testers don't need to pg_upgrade. I think that's a poor 
> tradeoff, but if we're changing long-standing policy, the RMT probably 
> isn't the right group for that. So, how do others feel?

IMO, we've avoided it, but that's not a blanket policy against it.
Making beta testers exercise pg_upgrade isn't without benefit.

IIUC, the issue here is that we think these new-in-v19 functions are
suboptimally named, and if we don't change the names now then we're
stuck with them.  So I'm okay with a post-beta4 catversion bump
to do that.

			regards, tom lane





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* Re: Catversion bumps during beta (was Re: [Proposal] Expose internal MultiXact member count function for efficient monitoring)
  2026-09-22 16:01 Catversion bumps during beta (was Re: [Proposal] Expose internal MultiXact member count function for efficient monitoring) Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
  2026-09-22 16:12 ` Re: Catversion bumps during beta (was Re: [Proposal] Expose internal MultiXact member count function for efficient monitoring) Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
@ 2026-09-22 16:40   ` Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
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From: Heikki Linnakangas @ 2026-09-22 16:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; +Cc: Nathan Bossart <nathandbossart@gmail.com>; Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>; Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>; Sami Imseih <samimseih.pg@gmail.com>; Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>; Naga Appani <nagnrik@gmail.com>; Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh.bapat.oss@gmail.com>; Tomas Vondra <tomas@vondra.me>; Xuneng Zhou <xunengzhou@gmail.com>; torikoshia <torikoshia@oss.nttdata.com>; Kirill Reshke <reshkekirill@gmail.com>; pgsql-hackers

On 22/09/2026 19:12, Tom Lane wrote:
> Making beta testers exercise pg_upgrade isn't without benefit.

Oh that's an interesting point, it never occurred to me that there's an 
upside like that, in getting more testing of pg_upgrade. :-)

- Heikki






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* Re: Catversion bumps during beta (was Re: [Proposal] Expose internal MultiXact member count function for efficient monitoring)
  2026-09-22 16:01 Catversion bumps during beta (was Re: [Proposal] Expose internal MultiXact member count function for efficient monitoring) Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>
@ 2026-09-22 17:35 ` Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread

From: Noah Misch @ 2026-09-22 17:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka@iki.fi>; +Cc: Nathan Bossart <nathandbossart@gmail.com>; Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman@gmail.com>; Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>; Sami Imseih <samimseih.pg@gmail.com>; Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>; Naga Appani <nagnrik@gmail.com>; Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh.bapat.oss@gmail.com>; Tomas Vondra <tomas@vondra.me>; Xuneng Zhou <xunengzhou@gmail.com>; torikoshia <torikoshia@oss.nttdata.com>; Kirill Reshke <reshkekirill@gmail.com>; pgsql-hackers

On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 07:01:14PM +0300, Heikki Linnakangas wrote:
> I don't really mind catversion bumps during the beta period in general, I'm
> in the camp that if there's a change that would make the release better and
> it's not particularly risky, it's better to still sneak it in.
> 
> I feel I might be in the minority with that view though. Historically, we've
> avoided fixes that need catversion bumps late in the beta period, so that
> beta-testers don't need to pg_upgrade. I think that's a poor tradeoff, but
> if we're changing long-standing policy, the RMT probably isn't the right
> group for that. So, how do others feel?

I personally make no attempt to avoid late catversion bumps.






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