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From: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
To: Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Cc: Amit Kapila <amit.kapila16@gmail.com>
Cc: Ian Barwick <ian.barwick@2ndquadrant.com>
Cc: Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Cc: Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Stop ALTER SYSTEM from making bad assumptions
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 18:47:07 -0400
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Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net> writes:
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 18:27 Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
>>> The proposal seems to be to run through the .auto.conf file, remove any
>>> duplicates, and append the new entry at the end. That seems reasonable.

>> +1

> I disagree that this should only be addressed in alter system, as I’ve said
> before and as others have agreed with.  Having one set of code that can be
> used to update parameters in the auto.conf and then have that be used by
> pg_basebackup, alter system, and external tools, is the right approach.

I don't find that to be necessary or even desirable.  Many (most?) of the
situations where this would be important wouldn't have access to a running
backend, and maybe not to any PG code at all --- what if your tool isn't
written in C?

I think it's perfectly fine to say that external tools need only append
to the file, which will require no special tooling.  But then we need
ALTER SYSTEM to be willing to clean out duplicates, if only so you don't
run out of disk space after awhile.

			regards, tom lane





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