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From: james <james@mansionfamily.plus.com>
To: Andrew Dunstan <andrew@dunslane.net>
Cc: Craig Ringer <craig@2ndQuadrant.com>
Cc: Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
Cc: Brar Piening <brar@gmx.de>
Cc: Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnakangas@vmware.com>
Cc: Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: Visual Studio 2012 RC
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 23:51:19 +0000
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> On the contrary, only a few months ago there was a far from groundless fear that Microsoft would do just that. Following considerable outcry they changed their mind. But this is definitely not just paranoia. As for w64 support, the mingw-64 project exists more or less explicitly to produce 64 bit compilers, including those hosted on mingw/msys.


Huh.  The only reason we have to use mingw64 or one of the assorted 
personal builds is because 'mingw support' doesn't deliver on its own, 
and last I looked there was a confusing variety of personal builds with 
various strengths and weaknesses.  I managed to make some progress but 
we seem to be a ways off having a reference download (and ideally one 
with clang too I guess).

I'd very much like there to be a good reference implementation, but the 
whole mingw/mingw64 thing is indicative of some problems, and reminds me 
of egcs.

You have references to back up your statements, and demonstrate that it 
wasn't primarily FUD?  FWIW I think the higher entry prices of pay-for 
VStudio almost guarantees continued availability of a free compiler, 
though it might end up slightly crippled, but I'm not a product planner 
for MS any more than you are.


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