From: Tomas Vondra <tomas.vondra@2ndquadrant.com>
To: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: On-demand running query plans using auto_explain and signals
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 11:50:36 +0200
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Hi,
I did a quick initial review of this patch today, so here are my
comments so far:
- ipcs.c should include utils/cmdstatus.h (the compiler complains
about implicit declaration of two functions)
- Attempts to get plan for simple insert queries like this
INSERT INTO x SELECT * FROM x;
end with a segfault, because ActivePortal->queryDesc is 0x0 for this
query. Needs investigation.
- The lockless approach seems fine to me, although I think the fear
of performance issues is a bit moot (I don't think we expect large
number of processes calling pg_cmdstatus at the same time). But
it's not significantly more complex, so why not.
- The patch contains pretty much no documentation, both comments
at the code level and user docs. The lack of user docs is not that
a big deal at this point (although the patch seems to be mature
enough, although the user-level API will likely change).
The lack of code comments is more serious, as it makes the review
somewhat more difficult. For example it'd be very nice to document
the contract for the lock-less interface.
- I agree that pg_cmdstatus() is not the best API. Having something
like EXPLAIN PID would be nice, but it does not really work for
all the request types (just CMD_STATUS_REQUEST_EXPLAIN). Maybe
there's not a single API for all cases, i.e. we should use EXPLAIN
PID for one case and invent something different for the other?
- Is there a particular reason why we allocate slots for auxiliary
processes and not just for backends (NumBackends)? Do we expect those
auxiliary processes to ever use this API?
- CleanupCmdStatusSlot seems needlessly complicated. I don't quite see
the need for the second argument, or the internal slot variable. Why
not to simply use the MyCmdStatusSlot directly?
- I also don't quite understand why we need to track css_pid for the
slot? In what scenario will this actually matter?
- While being able to get EXPLAIN from the running process is nice,
I'm especially interested in getting EXPLAIN ANALYZE to get insight
into the progress of the execution. The are other ways to get the
EXPLAIN, e.g. by opening a different connection and actually running
it (sure, the plan might have changed since then), but currently
there's no way to get insight into the progress.
From the thread I get the impression that Oleksandr also finds this
useful - correct? What are the plans in this direction?
ISTM we need at least two things for that to work:
(a) Ability to enable instrumentation on all queries (effectively
what auto_explain allows), otherwise we can't get EXPLAIN ANALYZE
on the queries later. But auto_explain is an extension, so that
does not seem as a good match if this is supposed to be in core.
In that case a separate GUC seems appropriate.
(b) Being able to run the InstrEnd* methods repeatedly - the initial
message in this thread mentions issues with InstrEndLoop for
example. So perhaps this is non-trivial.
- And finally, I think we should really support all existing EXPLAIN
formats, not just text. We need to support the other formats (yaml,
json, xml) if we want to use the EXPLAIN PID approach, and it also
makes the plans easier to process by additional tools.
regards
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Tomas Vondra http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/
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