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help / color / mirror / Atom feedFrom: Nathan Bossart <nathandbossart@gmail.com>
To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Cc: Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Cc: pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org, "Imseih (AWS), Sami" <simseih@amazon.com>
Cc: Justin Pryzby <pryzby@telsasoft.com>
Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: allow changing autovacuum_max_workers without restarting
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 20:44:37 -0600
Message-ID: <Z3yVFfKG_RAh8FgP@nathan> (raw)
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On Mon, Jan 06, 2025 at 06:36:43PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> Nathan Bossart <nathandbossart@gmail.com> writes:
>> My first instinct was just to set it to the lowest default we'd consider
>> during the max_connections tests (which I'm assuming is 3 due to the
>> current default for autovacuum_max_workers). That way, the max_connections
>> default won't change from version to version on affected systems, but you
>> might get some extra autovacuum slots.
>
> My only objection to this algorithm is it adds cycles to initdb,
> in the form of at least one additional "postgres --check" step.
> Admittedly that's not hugely expensive, but it'll add up over time
> in the buildfarm, and I'm not sure this issue is worth that.
> We already changed the max_connections default for affected systems
> as a consequence of 38da05346, so I don't think the argument about not
> changing it holds much water.
I see. Here's a version that uses your max_connections / 8 idea. I've
lowered the initial default value of autovacuum_worker_slots to 12 to keep
the code as simple as possible. I considered trying 16 in the first
iteration or constructing a complicated formula like
autovacuum_worker_slots = (max_connections * 13) / 75 - 1
but this stuff is pretty fragile already, so I felt that simplicity was
desirable in this case.
--
nathan
From a2cb9161ccd7bf08c5273e4b4e012861a410ce51 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Nathan Bossart <nathan@postgresql.org>
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 17:14:54 -0600
Subject: [PATCH v2 1/1] Lower default value of autovacuum_worker_slots in
initdb as needed.
---
doc/src/sgml/config.sgml | 5 +--
src/backend/utils/misc/guc_tables.c | 2 +-
src/backend/utils/misc/postgresql.conf.sample | 2 +-
src/bin/initdb/initdb.c | 34 +++++++++++++++----
4 files changed, 33 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
diff --git a/doc/src/sgml/config.sgml b/doc/src/sgml/config.sgml
index 740ff5d5044..a47c4dbfcb2 100644
--- a/doc/src/sgml/config.sgml
+++ b/doc/src/sgml/config.sgml
@@ -8639,8 +8639,9 @@ COPY postgres_log FROM '/full/path/to/logfile.csv' WITH csv;
<listitem>
<para>
Specifies the number of backend slots to reserve for autovacuum worker
- processes. The default is 16. This parameter can only be set at server
- start.
+ processes. The default is typically 12 slots, but might be less if
+ your kernel settings will not support it (as determined during initdb).
+ This parameter can only be set at server start.
</para>
<para>
When changing this value, consider also adjusting
diff --git a/src/backend/utils/misc/guc_tables.c b/src/backend/utils/misc/guc_tables.c
index c9d8cd796a8..8781495a622 100644
--- a/src/backend/utils/misc/guc_tables.c
+++ b/src/backend/utils/misc/guc_tables.c
@@ -3472,7 +3472,7 @@ struct config_int ConfigureNamesInt[] =
NULL
},
&autovacuum_worker_slots,
- 16, 1, MAX_BACKENDS,
+ 12, 1, MAX_BACKENDS,
NULL, NULL, NULL
},
{
diff --git a/src/backend/utils/misc/postgresql.conf.sample b/src/backend/utils/misc/postgresql.conf.sample
index b2bc43383db..3405ca0e726 100644
--- a/src/backend/utils/misc/postgresql.conf.sample
+++ b/src/backend/utils/misc/postgresql.conf.sample
@@ -661,7 +661,7 @@
#autovacuum = on # Enable autovacuum subprocess? 'on'
# requires track_counts to also be on.
-autovacuum_worker_slots = 16 # autovacuum worker slots to allocate
+autovacuum_worker_slots = 12 # autovacuum worker slots to allocate
# (change requires restart)
#autovacuum_max_workers = 3 # max number of autovacuum subprocesses
#autovacuum_naptime = 1min # time between autovacuum runs
diff --git a/src/bin/initdb/initdb.c b/src/bin/initdb/initdb.c
index 4e4b7ede190..b5023484771 100644
--- a/src/bin/initdb/initdb.c
+++ b/src/bin/initdb/initdb.c
@@ -196,6 +196,7 @@ static char *pgdata_native;
/* defaults */
static int n_connections = 10;
+static int n_av_slots = 12;
static int n_buffers = 50;
static const char *dynamic_shared_memory_type = NULL;
static const char *default_timezone = NULL;
@@ -273,7 +274,8 @@ static void check_input(char *path);
static void write_version_file(const char *extrapath);
static void set_null_conf(void);
static void test_config_settings(void);
-static bool test_specific_config_settings(int test_conns, int test_buffs);
+static bool test_specific_config_settings(int test_conns, int test_av_slots,
+ int test_buffs);
static void setup_config(void);
static void bootstrap_template1(void);
static void setup_auth(FILE *cmdfd);
@@ -1118,6 +1120,12 @@ test_config_settings(void)
*/
#define MIN_BUFS_FOR_CONNS(nconns) ((nconns) * 10)
+ /*
+ * This macro defines the default value of autovacuum_worker_slots we want
+ * for a given max_connections value.
+ */
+#define AV_SLOTS_FOR_CONNS(nconns) ((nconns) / 8)
+
static const int trial_conns[] = {
100, 50, 40, 30, 25
};
@@ -1145,7 +1153,8 @@ test_config_settings(void)
/*
* Probe for max_connections before shared_buffers, since it is subject to
- * more constraints than shared_buffers.
+ * more constraints than shared_buffers. We also choose the default
+ * autovacuum_worker_slots here.
*/
printf(_("selecting default \"max_connections\" ... "));
fflush(stdout);
@@ -1154,8 +1163,9 @@ test_config_settings(void)
{
test_conns = trial_conns[i];
test_buffs = MIN_BUFS_FOR_CONNS(test_conns);
+ n_av_slots = AV_SLOTS_FOR_CONNS(test_conns);
- if (test_specific_config_settings(test_conns, test_buffs))
+ if (test_specific_config_settings(test_conns, n_av_slots, test_buffs))
{
ok_buffers = test_buffs;
break;
@@ -1167,6 +1177,13 @@ test_config_settings(void)
printf("%d\n", n_connections);
+ /*
+ * We chose the default for autovacuum_worker_slots during the
+ * max_connections tests above, but we print a progress message anyway.
+ */
+ printf(_("selecting default \"autovacuum_worker_slots\" ... %d\n"),
+ n_av_slots);
+
printf(_("selecting default \"shared_buffers\" ... "));
fflush(stdout);
@@ -1180,7 +1197,7 @@ test_config_settings(void)
break;
}
- if (test_specific_config_settings(n_connections, test_buffs))
+ if (test_specific_config_settings(n_connections, n_av_slots, test_buffs))
break;
}
n_buffers = test_buffs;
@@ -1200,7 +1217,7 @@ test_config_settings(void)
* Test a specific combination of configuration settings.
*/
static bool
-test_specific_config_settings(int test_conns, int test_buffs)
+test_specific_config_settings(int test_conns, int test_av_slots, int test_buffs)
{
PQExpBufferData cmd;
_stringlist *gnames,
@@ -1213,10 +1230,11 @@ test_specific_config_settings(int test_conns, int test_buffs)
printfPQExpBuffer(&cmd,
"\"%s\" --check %s %s "
"-c max_connections=%d "
+ "-c autovacuum_worker_slots=%d "
"-c shared_buffers=%d "
"-c dynamic_shared_memory_type=%s",
backend_exec, boot_options, extra_options,
- test_conns, test_buffs,
+ test_conns, test_av_slots, test_buffs,
dynamic_shared_memory_type);
/* Add any user-given setting overrides */
@@ -1280,6 +1298,10 @@ setup_config(void)
conflines = replace_guc_value(conflines, "max_connections",
repltok, false);
+ snprintf(repltok, sizeof(repltok), "%d", n_av_slots);
+ conflines = replace_guc_value(conflines, "autovacuum_worker_slots",
+ repltok, false);
+
if ((n_buffers * (BLCKSZ / 1024)) % 1024 == 0)
snprintf(repltok, sizeof(repltok), "%dMB",
(n_buffers * (BLCKSZ / 1024)) / 1024);
--
2.39.5 (Apple Git-154)
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From a2cb9161ccd7bf08c5273e4b4e012861a410ce51 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Nathan Bossart <nathan@postgresql.org>
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 17:14:54 -0600
Subject: [PATCH v2 1/1] Lower default value of autovacuum_worker_slots in
initdb as needed.
---
doc/src/sgml/config.sgml | 5 +--
src/backend/utils/misc/guc_tables.c | 2 +-
src/backend/utils/misc/postgresql.conf.sample | 2 +-
src/bin/initdb/initdb.c | 34 +++++++++++++++----
4 files changed, 33 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
diff --git a/doc/src/sgml/config.sgml b/doc/src/sgml/config.sgml
index 740ff5d5044..a47c4dbfcb2 100644
--- a/doc/src/sgml/config.sgml
+++ b/doc/src/sgml/config.sgml
@@ -8639,8 +8639,9 @@ COPY postgres_log FROM '/full/path/to/logfile.csv' WITH csv;
<listitem>
<para>
Specifies the number of backend slots to reserve for autovacuum worker
- processes. The default is 16. This parameter can only be set at server
- start.
+ processes. The default is typically 12 slots, but might be less if
+ your kernel settings will not support it (as determined during initdb).
+ This parameter can only be set at server start.
</para>
<para>
When changing this value, consider also adjusting
diff --git a/src/backend/utils/misc/guc_tables.c b/src/backend/utils/misc/guc_tables.c
index c9d8cd796a8..8781495a622 100644
--- a/src/backend/utils/misc/guc_tables.c
+++ b/src/backend/utils/misc/guc_tables.c
@@ -3472,7 +3472,7 @@ struct config_int ConfigureNamesInt[] =
NULL
},
&autovacuum_worker_slots,
- 16, 1, MAX_BACKENDS,
+ 12, 1, MAX_BACKENDS,
NULL, NULL, NULL
},
{
diff --git a/src/backend/utils/misc/postgresql.conf.sample b/src/backend/utils/misc/postgresql.conf.sample
index b2bc43383db..3405ca0e726 100644
--- a/src/backend/utils/misc/postgresql.conf.sample
+++ b/src/backend/utils/misc/postgresql.conf.sample
@@ -661,7 +661,7 @@
#autovacuum = on # Enable autovacuum subprocess? 'on'
# requires track_counts to also be on.
-autovacuum_worker_slots = 16 # autovacuum worker slots to allocate
+autovacuum_worker_slots = 12 # autovacuum worker slots to allocate
# (change requires restart)
#autovacuum_max_workers = 3 # max number of autovacuum subprocesses
#autovacuum_naptime = 1min # time between autovacuum runs
diff --git a/src/bin/initdb/initdb.c b/src/bin/initdb/initdb.c
index 4e4b7ede190..b5023484771 100644
--- a/src/bin/initdb/initdb.c
+++ b/src/bin/initdb/initdb.c
@@ -196,6 +196,7 @@ static char *pgdata_native;
/* defaults */
static int n_connections = 10;
+static int n_av_slots = 12;
static int n_buffers = 50;
static const char *dynamic_shared_memory_type = NULL;
static const char *default_timezone = NULL;
@@ -273,7 +274,8 @@ static void check_input(char *path);
static void write_version_file(const char *extrapath);
static void set_null_conf(void);
static void test_config_settings(void);
-static bool test_specific_config_settings(int test_conns, int test_buffs);
+static bool test_specific_config_settings(int test_conns, int test_av_slots,
+ int test_buffs);
static void setup_config(void);
static void bootstrap_template1(void);
static void setup_auth(FILE *cmdfd);
@@ -1118,6 +1120,12 @@ test_config_settings(void)
*/
#define MIN_BUFS_FOR_CONNS(nconns) ((nconns) * 10)
+ /*
+ * This macro defines the default value of autovacuum_worker_slots we want
+ * for a given max_connections value.
+ */
+#define AV_SLOTS_FOR_CONNS(nconns) ((nconns) / 8)
+
static const int trial_conns[] = {
100, 50, 40, 30, 25
};
@@ -1145,7 +1153,8 @@ test_config_settings(void)
/*
* Probe for max_connections before shared_buffers, since it is subject to
- * more constraints than shared_buffers.
+ * more constraints than shared_buffers. We also choose the default
+ * autovacuum_worker_slots here.
*/
printf(_("selecting default \"max_connections\" ... "));
fflush(stdout);
@@ -1154,8 +1163,9 @@ test_config_settings(void)
{
test_conns = trial_conns[i];
test_buffs = MIN_BUFS_FOR_CONNS(test_conns);
+ n_av_slots = AV_SLOTS_FOR_CONNS(test_conns);
- if (test_specific_config_settings(test_conns, test_buffs))
+ if (test_specific_config_settings(test_conns, n_av_slots, test_buffs))
{
ok_buffers = test_buffs;
break;
@@ -1167,6 +1177,13 @@ test_config_settings(void)
printf("%d\n", n_connections);
+ /*
+ * We chose the default for autovacuum_worker_slots during the
+ * max_connections tests above, but we print a progress message anyway.
+ */
+ printf(_("selecting default \"autovacuum_worker_slots\" ... %d\n"),
+ n_av_slots);
+
printf(_("selecting default \"shared_buffers\" ... "));
fflush(stdout);
@@ -1180,7 +1197,7 @@ test_config_settings(void)
break;
}
- if (test_specific_config_settings(n_connections, test_buffs))
+ if (test_specific_config_settings(n_connections, n_av_slots, test_buffs))
break;
}
n_buffers = test_buffs;
@@ -1200,7 +1217,7 @@ test_config_settings(void)
* Test a specific combination of configuration settings.
*/
static bool
-test_specific_config_settings(int test_conns, int test_buffs)
+test_specific_config_settings(int test_conns, int test_av_slots, int test_buffs)
{
PQExpBufferData cmd;
_stringlist *gnames,
@@ -1213,10 +1230,11 @@ test_specific_config_settings(int test_conns, int test_buffs)
printfPQExpBuffer(&cmd,
"\"%s\" --check %s %s "
"-c max_connections=%d "
+ "-c autovacuum_worker_slots=%d "
"-c shared_buffers=%d "
"-c dynamic_shared_memory_type=%s",
backend_exec, boot_options, extra_options,
- test_conns, test_buffs,
+ test_conns, test_av_slots, test_buffs,
dynamic_shared_memory_type);
/* Add any user-given setting overrides */
@@ -1280,6 +1298,10 @@ setup_config(void)
conflines = replace_guc_value(conflines, "max_connections",
repltok, false);
+ snprintf(repltok, sizeof(repltok), "%d", n_av_slots);
+ conflines = replace_guc_value(conflines, "autovacuum_worker_slots",
+ repltok, false);
+
if ((n_buffers * (BLCKSZ / 1024)) % 1024 == 0)
snprintf(repltok, sizeof(repltok), "%dMB",
(n_buffers * (BLCKSZ / 1024)) / 1024);
--
2.39.5 (Apple Git-154)
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