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From: Nathan Bossart <nathandbossart@gmail.com>
To: David G. Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
Cc: Frédéric Yhuel <frederic.yhuel@dalibo.com>
Cc: Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Cc: Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
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Cc: Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>
Cc: Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
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Subject: Re: vacuumdb changes for stats import/export
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:21:08 -0500
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On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 01:46:34PM -0500, Nathan Bossart wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 09:22:29AM -0700, David G. Johnston wrote:
>> On Monday, July 28, 2025, Frédéric Yhuel <frederic.yhuel@dalibo.com> wrote:
>>> On 7/28/25 16:47, Nathan Bossart wrote:
>>>> Obviously, this wording isn't clear enough.  We might need to either
>>>> remove that sentence or add "When used in conjunction with
>>>> --analyze-in-stages..."
>>>
>>> I vote for the second option.
>>
>> Makes sense. 
> 
> It seems like there is some support for adding "When used in conjunction
> with --analyze in stages..." to the beginning of the sentence.  I'll give
> it another day or two for any further discussion before committing.

Here is what I have staged for commit.

-- 
nathan

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v1-0001-doc-Adjust-documentation-for-vacuumdb-missing-sta.patch (text/plain, 2.0K) download From 82117acd6132351c368ec2670c4ba7f481d69ff9 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Nathan Bossart <nathan@postgresql.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:13:30 -0500 Subject: [PATCH v1 1/1] doc: Adjust documentation for vacuumdb --missing-stats-only. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The sentence in question gave readers the impression that vacuumdb deletes existing statistics for a period of time while analyzing, but it's actually meant to convey that --analyze-in-stages will temporarily replace existing statistics with ones generated with lower statistics targets. Reported-by: Frédéric Yhuel <frederic.yhuel@dalibo.com> Reviewed-by: Frédéric Yhuel <frederic.yhuel@dalibo.com> Reviewed-by: "David G. Johnston" <david.g.johnston@gmail.com> Discussion: https://postgr.es/m/4b94ca16-7a6d-4581-b2aa-4ea79dbc082a%40dalibo.com Backpatch-through: 18 --- doc/src/sgml/ref/vacuumdb.sgml | 8 +++++--- 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) diff --git a/doc/src/sgml/ref/vacuumdb.sgml b/doc/src/sgml/ref/vacuumdb.sgml index b0680a61814..c7d9dca17b8 100644 --- a/doc/src/sgml/ref/vacuumdb.sgml +++ b/doc/src/sgml/ref/vacuumdb.sgml @@ -282,9 +282,11 @@ PostgreSQL documentation <listitem> <para> Only analyze relations that are missing statistics for a column, index - expression, or extended statistics object. This option prevents - <application>vacuumdb</application> from deleting existing statistics - so that the query optimizer's choices do not become transiently worse. + expression, or extended statistics object. When used with + <option>--analyze-in-stages</option>, this option prevents + <application>vacuumdb</application> from temporarily replacing existing + statistics with ones generated with lower statistics targets, thus + avoiding transiently worse query optimizer choices. </para> <para> This option can only be used in conjunction with -- 2.39.5 (Apple Git-154)

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