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* Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query....
@ 2014-05-05 21:21 Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
  2014-05-05 21:51 ` Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... David G Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread

From: Stelios Mavromichalis @ 2014-05-05 21:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: pgsql-performance

hello list,

since i got no reply i am afraid i'll go the dump/restore cycle path
hopping this will solve my problem.

best regards,

/mstelios


Stelios Mavromichalis
Cytech Ltd. - http://www.cytech.gr/
Science & Technology Park of Crete
fax: +30 2810 31 1045
tel.: +30 2810 31 4127
mob.: +30 697 7078013
skype: mstelios


On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>wrote:

> hello,
>
> after reading this guide:
> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/SlowQueryQuestions
>
> i decided to seek for your help.
>
> my problem is that the same query/function some times run fast/normal (as
> expected) and, recently like 5 days now, some/most of the times, it run
> really slow to _very_ slow.
>
> the query is in essence a very simple update on a balance of _a certain
> user_ (no other user has this issue). yes, this user has the most frequent
> updates to his balance.
>
> i've tried restarting,manual vacuuming (with analyze full etc or not),
> reindex the database with no improvement. also it's not a hardware problem.
> diagnostics run fine and no kernel messages or anything weird/unexpected.
> the load of the machine is also low (like 0.2).
>
> i would dump+restore cycle  the database without bothering you, hoping
> that that would solve my problem, but then i though i wouldn't learn
> anything out of it, nor you would have the chance to potentially trace a
> problem/bug thus help the community.
>
> so, without further due:
>
>
> Full Table and Index Schema
>
> the function that has the problems(easysms_jb_pay(int,int) return int):
>                                       Source code
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
>      DECLARE
>        user_id ALIAS FOR $1;
>        amount ALIAS FOR $2;
>        myuser record;
>        mg record;
>        newbalance float;
>      BEGIN
>        SELECT INTO myuser es.login, es.balance as esbalance
>    from
>        easysms_users es
>    where
>        es.usid = user_id;
>
>        IF NOT FOUND THEN
>  RAISE EXCEPTION 'Cannot find user';
>  return -2;
>        END IF;
>
>        IF myuser.login = 'jbuser' THEN
>    return -3;
>        END IF;
>
>        IF myuser.esbalance < amount THEN
>      return -1;
>        END IF;
>
>        UPDATE easysms_users SET balance = balance - amount
>        WHERE usid = user_id;
>
>        return 1;
>      END;
>
>
> the related table:
>                                             Table "public.easysms_users"
>          Column         |            Type
> |                          Modifiers
>
> ------------------------+-----------------------------+-------------------------------------------------------------
>  login                  | character varying(20)       |
>  passwd                 | character varying(32)       | not null
>  mobile                 | character varying(16)       | not null
>  name                   | character varying(20)       |
>  lastname               | character varying(20)       |
>  balance                | bigint                      | not null default 0
>  email                  | character varying(40)       |
>  status                 | character varying(1)        | default
> 'p'::character varying
>  lang                   | character varying(2)        |
>  trusted                | boolean                     | default false
>  opt_originator         | character varying(16)       |
>  opt_fullname           | character varying(50)       |
>  opt_afm                | character varying(30)       |
>  opt_invoice_details    | text                        |
>  opt_postal_address     | text                        |
>  opt_want_invoice       | smallint                    | default 0
>  bulklimit              | integer                     | default 100
>  lastlogin              | timestamp without time zone |
>  daily_report           | boolean                     | default false
>  pro                    | boolean                     | default true
>  country_code           | integer                     |
>  mobnumber              | character varying(10)       |
>  cctld                  | character varying(2)        |
>  mpid                   | integer                     |
>  ifee                   | boolean                     |
>  gsm_code               | character varying(8)        |
>  account_reminder_email | boolean                     | default false
>  usid                   | integer                     | default (-2)
>  namedays               | boolean                     | default true
>  opt_concat             | boolean                     | default false
>  opt_smtype             | character(1)                | default 't'::bpchar
>  opt_url                | text                        |
>  opt_permit_concat      | boolean                     | default true
>  opt_email              | boolean                     | default false
>  suser                  | boolean                     | default false
>  susid                  | integer                     |
>  perm                   | character varying(20)       |
>  opt_statsperiod        | character varying(3)        |
>  opt_balance            | boolean                     |
>  opt_lblimit            | integer                     |
>  opt_override           | boolean                     | default false
>  opt_letstamp           | timestamp with time zone    | default (now() -
> '1 day'::interval)
>  opt_lbststamp          | timestamp with time zone    | default now()
>  opt_pushdlr_enabled    | boolean                     | default false
>  opt_pushdlr_ltstamp    | timestamp with time zone    | default now()
>  opt_pushdlr_rperiod    | integer                     | default 300
>  opt_pushdlr_dperiod    | integer                     | default 2
>  opt_pushdlrs           | boolean                     | default false
>  regdate                | timestamp with time zone    | not null default
> ('now'::text)::timestamp(6) with time zone
>  opt_occupation         | character varying(50)       |
>  opt_invoice_address    | text                        |
>  opt_city               | character varying(50)       |
>  opt_invoice_city       | character varying(50)       |
>  opt_pcode              | character varying(30)       |
>  opt_invoice_pcode      | character varying(30)       |
>  opt_doy                | character varying(50)       |
>  opt_phone              | character varying(50)       |
>  opt_invoice_country    | character varying(50)       |
>  opt_country            | character varying(50)       |
>  billid                 | integer                     |
>  opt_smpp_enabled       | boolean                     | default false
> Indexes:
>     "idx_easysms_users_usid" UNIQUE, btree (usid)
>     "easysms_users_cctld_idx" btree (cctld)
>     "easysms_users_email_idx" btree (email)
>     "easysms_users_mobile_idx" btree (mobile)
>     "easysms_users_mpid_idx" btree (mpid)
>     "easysms_users_status_idx" btree (status)
>
>
> Table Metadata
> done not contain large objects
> has a fair amount of nulls
> does receive a large number of updates, no deletes
> is not growing rapidly, but very slow
> indexes you can see the schema
> does not use triggers
>
>
> History
> what i've mentioned at the start of this email. i can't think of any event
> that could link to this behavior.
>
>
> Hardware Components (Dedicated to dbs, also runs a low traffic mysql, runs
> open suse 12.3 x86-64bit)
> Harddisk 2x 2000 GB SATA 3,5" 7.200 rpm (in raid 1)
> RAM 32x Gigabyte RAM
> RAID-Controller HP SmartArrayP410 (battery backed, write back is enabled)
> Barebone Hewlett Packard DL320e G8
> CPU Intel Xeon E3-1230v2
>
>
> Maintenance Setup
> autovacuuming on default settings. manual vacuum only on cases like this
> and not regularly. see db config
>
>
> WAL Configuration
> nothing special here, all run on same disk/part. see db config
>
>
> GUC Settings
>              name             |  current_setting  |        source
> ------------------------------+-------------------+----------------------
>  application_name             | psql              | client
>  checkpoint_completion_target | 0.9               | configuration file
>  checkpoint_segments          | 64                | configuration file
>  client_encoding              | UTF8              | client
>  client_min_messages          | log               | configuration file
>  DateStyle                    | ISO, DMY          | configuration file
>  deadlock_timeout             | 10s               | configuration file
>  debug_print_rewritten        | off               | configuration file
>  default_statistics_target    | 100               | configuration file
>  default_text_search_config   | pg_catalog.simple | configuration file
>  effective_cache_size         | 8GB               | configuration file
>  fsync                        | off               | configuration file
>  lc_messages                  | el_GR.UTF-8       | configuration file
>  lc_monetary                  | el_GR.UTF-8       | configuration file
>  lc_numeric                   | el_GR.UTF-8       | configuration file
>  lc_time                      | el_GR.UTF-8       | configuration file
>  listen_addresses             | *                 | configuration file
>  log_connections              | off               | configuration file
>  log_destination              | syslog            | configuration file
>  log_disconnections           | off               | configuration file
>  log_error_verbosity          | verbose           | configuration file
>  log_hostname                 | on                | configuration file
>  log_line_prefix              | %d %u             | configuration file
>  log_lock_waits               | on                | configuration file
>  log_min_duration_statement   | 1s                | configuration file
>  log_min_error_statement      | debug5            | configuration file
>  log_min_messages             | info              | configuration file
>  log_statement                | none              | configuration file
>  logging_collector            | on                | configuration file
>  maintenance_work_mem         | 704MB             | configuration file
>  max_connections              | 400               | configuration file
>  max_prepared_transactions    | 1000              | configuration file
>  max_stack_depth              | 2MB               | environment variable
>  random_page_cost             | 1.5               | configuration file
>  shared_buffers               | 2816MB            | configuration file
>  TimeZone                     | Europe/Athens     | configuration file
>  wal_buffers                  | 16MB              | configuration file
>  work_mem                     | 28MB              | configuration file
> (38 rows)
>
>
> Postgres version
> # select version();
>                                                              version
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  PostgreSQL 9.2.7 on x86_64-suse-linux-gnu, compiled by gcc (SUSE Linux)
> 4.8.1 20130909 [gcc-4_8-branch revision 202388], 64-bit
> (1 row)
>
> normal speed query that really stacks: <http://explain.depesz.com/s/XeQm;
>
> slow version of it: <http://explain.depesz.com/s/AjwK;
>
> thank you so very much in advance for your time and efforts to help.
>
> best regards,
>
> /mstelios
>
>
> Stelios Mavromichalis
> Cytech Ltd. - http://www.cytech.gr/
> Science & Technology Park of Crete
> fax: +30 2810 31 1045
> tel.: +30 2810 31 4127
> mob.: +30 697 7078013
> skype: mstelios
>

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* Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query....
  2014-05-05 21:21 Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
@ 2014-05-05 21:51 ` David G Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
  2014-05-05 22:06   ` Re: Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread

From: David G Johnston @ 2014-05-05 21:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: pgsql-performance

Stelios Mavromichalis wrote
>> the load of the machine is also low (like 0.2).

Which means little if the update is waiting for a lock to be released by one
other process; which is more likely the situation (or some other concurrency
contention) especially as you said that this particular user generates
significant transaction/query volume (implied by the fact the user has the
most balance updates).

During slow-update executions you want to look at:
pg_stat_activity
pg_locks 

to see what other concurrent activity is taking place.

It is doubtful that dump/restore would have any effect given that the
symptoms are sporadic and we are only talking about a select statement that
returns a single row; and an update that does not hit any indexed column and
therefore benefits from "HOT" optimization.

HTH

David J.






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* Re: Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query....
  2014-05-05 21:21 Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
  2014-05-05 21:51 ` Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... David G Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
@ 2014-05-05 22:06   ` Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
  2014-05-05 23:54     ` Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... David G Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread

From: Stelios Mavromichalis @ 2014-05-05 22:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: David G Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>; +Cc: pgsql-performance

hello David,

thank you! for the reply.

right, to this regard i did some research following the recommendation here
<http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Lock_Monitoring;

however, it showed that nothing was wrong. no deadlocks, no pending locks
no nothing.

have to mention that this update is run in serial (no other thread/process
is trying to update that balance -or any other-, only one. well not 100%
true, except the topup mechanism that happens relatively rare).

also have to mention that his exact same mechanic is there some time now,
life a few years, and it never had similar problem.

also the fact that if i use another usid, with great many updates, will
roll normally leads me to think that it might be a corruption or something,
thus the dump/restore hope :)

as a prior step to dump/restore i am thinking of deleting and re-inserting
that particular row. that might share some light you think?

best regards,

/mstelios

Stelios Mavromichalis
Cytech Ltd. - http://www.cytech.gr/
Science & Technology Park of Crete
fax: +30 2810 31 1045
tel.: +30 2810 31 4127
mob.: +30 697 7078013
skype: mstelios


On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:51 AM, David G Johnston <
david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:

> Stelios Mavromichalis wrote
> >> the load of the machine is also low (like 0.2).
>
> Which means little if the update is waiting for a lock to be released by
> one
> other process; which is more likely the situation (or some other
> concurrency
> contention) especially as you said that this particular user generates
> significant transaction/query volume (implied by the fact the user has the
> most balance updates).
>
> During slow-update executions you want to look at:
> pg_stat_activity
> pg_locks
>
> to see what other concurrent activity is taking place.
>
> It is doubtful that dump/restore would have any effect given that the
> symptoms are sporadic and we are only talking about a select statement that
> returns a single row; and an update that does not hit any indexed column
> and
> therefore benefits from "HOT" optimization.
>
> HTH
>
> David J.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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* Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query....
  2014-05-05 21:21 Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
  2014-05-05 21:51 ` Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... David G Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
  2014-05-05 22:06   ` Re: Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
@ 2014-05-05 23:54     ` David G Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
  2014-05-06 13:31       ` Re: Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread

From: David G Johnston @ 2014-05-05 23:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: pgsql-performance

Stelios Mavromichalis wrote
> as a prior step to dump/restore i am thinking of deleting and re-inserting
> that particular row. that might share some light you think?

I still dislike the randomness of the unresponsiveness...

Every time you perform an update you "delete and insert" that row - that is
how an update works in MVCC - so doing so explicitly is unlikely to provide
any benefit.  Since that row is continually being inserted, and no other
rows are having this issue, I'm seriously doubting that a dump/restore is
going to have any effect either.  Note that the index scan took twice as
long in the bad case - but still reasonable and you didn't notice any
benefit from a REINDEX.  This is what I would expect.

The only other difference, if concurrency has been ruled out, is the 4 vs 18
buffers that had to be read.  I cannot imagine that, since all 22 were in
cache, that simply reading that much more data would account for the
difference (we're talking a 10,000-fold increase, not 2to4-fold).  The
reason for this particular difference, IIUC, is how may candidate tuples are
present whose visibility has to be accounted for (assuming 1 buffer per
tuple, you needed to scan 4 vs 18 for visibility in the two queries).

Is there any log file information you can share?  Especially if you can set
log_min_statement_duration (or whatever that GUC is named) so that whenever
one of these gets adversely delayed it appears in the log along with
whatever other system messages are being sent.  Checkpoints are a typical
culprit though that should be affecting a great deal more than what you
indicate you are seeing.

I'm pretty certain you are seeing this here largely because of the frequency
of activity on this particular user; not because the data itself is
corrupted.  It could be some kind of symptom of internal concurrency that
you just haven't observed yet but it could also be I/O or other system
contention that you also haven't properly instrumented.  Unfortunately that
is beyond my current help-providing skill-set.

A dump-restore likely would not make anything worse though I'd be surprised
if it were to improve matters.  It also doesn't seem like hardware - unless
the RAM is bad.  Software bugs are unlikely if this had been working well
before 5 days ago.   So, you need to observe the system during both periods
(good and bad) and observe something that is different - probably not within
PostgreSQL if indeed you've minimized concurrency.  And also see if you can
see if any other queries, executed during both these times, exhibit a
performance decrease.  Logging all statements would help matters greatly if
you can afford it in your production environment - it would make looking for
internal concurrency much easier.

David J.



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* Re: Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query....
  2014-05-05 21:21 Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
  2014-05-05 21:51 ` Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... David G Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
  2014-05-05 22:06   ` Re: Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
  2014-05-05 23:54     ` Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... David G Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
@ 2014-05-06 13:31       ` Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
  2014-05-07 15:57         ` Re: Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread

From: Stelios Mavromichalis @ 2014-05-06 13:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: David G Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>; +Cc: pgsql-performance

hello again,

some more data on the subject:

you are right, delete/re-insert didn't solve the problem (haven't yet tried
dump/restore, i might tonight, when low traffic).

a short snip from logs were i log all queries that take longer then 1sec:

2014-05-06T15:57:46.303880+03:00 s10 postgres[46220]: [1891-1] prosms
prosms LOG:  00000: duration: 1947.172 ms  execute <unnamed>: select
easysms_jb_pay($1,
$2)
2014-05-06T15:57:46.304230+03:00 s10 postgres[46220]: [1891-2] prosms
prosms DETAIL:  parameters: $1 = '10808', $2 = '2'
2014-05-06T15:57:46.304439+03:00 s10 postgres[46220]: [1891-3] prosms
prosms LOCATION:  exec_execute_message, postgres.c:1989
2014-05-06T15:57:56.199005+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2570-1] prosms
prosms LOG:  00000: duration: 6869.886 ms  execute <unnamed>: select
easysms_jb_pay($1,$2)
2014-05-06T15:57:56.199349+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2570-2] prosms
prosms DETAIL:  parameters: $1 = '10808', $2 = '2'
2014-05-06T15:57:56.199567+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2570-3] prosms
prosms LOCATION:  exec_execute_message, postgres.c:1989
2014-05-06T15:57:59.134982+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2571-1] prosms
prosms LOG:  00000: duration: 1797.747 ms  execute <unnamed>: select
easysms_jb_pay($1,$2)
2014-05-06T15:57:59.135334+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2571-2] prosms
prosms DETAIL:  parameters: $1 = '10808', $2 = '2'
2014-05-06T15:57:59.135562+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2571-3] prosms
prosms LOCATION:  exec_execute_message, postgres.c:1989
2014-05-06T15:58:07.149477+03:00 s10 postgres[46220]: [1892-1] prosms
prosms LOG:  00000: duration: 3938.979 ms  execute <unnamed>: select
easysms_jb_pay($1,$2)
2014-05-06T15:58:07.149830+03:00 s10 postgres[46220]: [1892-2] prosms
prosms DETAIL:  parameters: $1 = '10808', $2 = '2'
2014-05-06T15:58:07.150067+03:00 s10 postgres[46220]: [1892-3] prosms
prosms LOCATION:  exec_execute_message, postgres.c:1989
2014-05-06T16:01:33.784422+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2572-1] prosms
prosms LOG:  00000: duration: 2921.212 ms  execute <unnamed>: select
easysms_jb_pay($1,$2)
2014-05-06T16:01:33.784842+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2572-2] prosms
prosms DETAIL:  parameters: $1 = '10808', $2 = '4'
2014-05-06T16:01:33.785037+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2572-3] prosms
prosms LOCATION:  exec_execute_message, postgres.c:1989


should you deem helpful yes i can enable full query logging and summon the
listing for you.

a typical vmstat:
# vmstat 1
procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system--
-----cpu------
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in   cs us sy id
wa st
 1  0 363476 325852 294064 30520736    0    0    26   347    0    0  1  0
99  0  0
 1  0 363476 328400 294068 30520732    0    0     0    28 4930 8014  6  1
94  0  0
 2  0 363476 331756 294068 30520732    0    0     0  4384 4950 7980  6  1
93  0  0
 0  0 363476 334016 294068 30520756    0    0     0  4384 4961 7981  7  1
92  0  0
 0  0 363476 334700 294068 30520756    0    0     0  4424 4012 6467  4  1
95  0  0
 1  0 363476 330852 294068 30520788    0    0     0     0 2559 3861  5  1
95  0  0
 1  0 363476 331316 294072 30520788    0    0     0  4408 5013 8127  6  1
94  0  0
 1  0 363476 330788 294072 30520788    0    0     0  4384 5535 9055  6  1
93  0  0
 0  0 363476 331496 294072 30520804    0    0     0  4384 5031 8092  7  1
92  0  0
 2  0 363476 331268 294072 30520804    0    0     0  4428 5052 8246  6  1
94  0  0
 1  0 363476 330848 294080 30520812    0    0     0    32 4892 7950  5  1
94  0  0
 1  0 363476 330480 294080 30520812    0    0     0  4388 4935 8036  6  1
94  0  0
 2  0 363476 332616 294084 30521092    0    0     0  4408 5064 8194  6  1
93  0  0
 0  0 363476 333596 294084 30521008    0    0     0  4384 5205 8463  8  1
91  0  0
 1  0 363476 333324 294084 30521008    0    0     0    40 5014 8151  6  1
94  0  0
 0  0 363476 332740 294084 30521016    0    0     0  4384 5047 8163  6  1
93  0  0
 1  0 363476 336052 294084 30520888    0    0     0  4384 4849 7780  6  1
94  0  0
 1  0 363476 334732 294088 30520892    0    0     8  4400 5520 9012  6  1
93  0  0
 0  0 363476 334064 294096 30520884    0    0     0   220 3903 6193  6  1
94  0  0
 0  0 363476 333124 294096 30520916    0    0     0  2232 4088 6462  6  1
93  0  0

the process that is constantly writing the majority of data is:

"postgres: stats collector process"

and varies from 2.5mb/sec up to 5.7mb/sec

all the other postgres (and non-postgres) processes write very little data
and rarely.

the checkpointer process is like 78.6kb/sec (a few seconds now as i write
this email but no other is having a constant rate or I/O)

also, _while having the problem_ the results of the following queries are
(taken from http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Lock_Monitoring):

 SELECT relation::regclass, * FROM pg_locks WHERE NOT granted;
(0 rows)


 SELECT bl.pid                 AS blocked_pid,
         a.usename              AS blocked_user,
         ka.query               AS blocking_statement,
         now() - ka.query_start AS blocking_duration,
         kl.pid                 AS blocking_pid,
         ka.usename             AS blocking_user,
         a.query                AS blocked_statement,
         now() - a.query_start  AS blocked_duration
  FROM  pg_catalog.pg_locks         bl
   JOIN pg_catalog.pg_stat_activity a  ON a.pid = bl.pid
   JOIN pg_catalog.pg_locks         kl ON kl.transactionid =
bl.transactionid AND kl.pid != bl.pid
   JOIN pg_catalog.pg_stat_activity ka ON ka.pid = kl.pid
  WHERE NOT bl.granted;
(0 rows)

SELECT
    waiting.locktype           AS waiting_locktype,
    waiting.relation::regclass AS waiting_table,
    waiting_stm.query          AS waiting_query,
    waiting.mode               AS waiting_mode,
    waiting.pid                AS waiting_pid,
    other.locktype             AS other_locktype,
    other.relation::regclass   AS other_table,
    other_stm.query            AS other_query,
    other.mode                 AS other_mode,
    other.pid                  AS other_pid,
    other.granted              AS other_grantedFROM
    pg_catalog.pg_locks AS waitingJOIN
    pg_catalog.pg_stat_activity AS waiting_stm
    ON (
        waiting_stm.pid = waiting.pid
    )JOIN
    pg_catalog.pg_locks AS other
    ON (
        (
            waiting."database" = other."database"
        AND waiting.relation  = other.relation
        )
        OR waiting.transactionid = other.transactionid
    )JOIN
    pg_catalog.pg_stat_activity AS other_stm
    ON (
        other_stm.pid = other.pid
    )WHERE
    NOT waiting.grantedAND
    waiting.pid <> other.pid;
(0 rows)



WITH RECURSIVE
     c(requested, current) AS
       ( VALUES
         ('AccessShareLock'::text, 'AccessExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('RowShareLock'::text, 'ExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('RowShareLock'::text, 'AccessExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('RowExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareLock'::text),
         ('RowExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('RowExclusiveLock'::text, 'ExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('RowExclusiveLock'::text, 'AccessExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareLock'::text),
         ('ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text, 'ExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text, 'AccessExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ShareLock'::text, 'RowExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ShareLock'::text, 'ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ShareLock'::text, 'ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ShareLock'::text, 'ExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ShareLock'::text, 'AccessExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text, 'RowExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareLock'::text),
         ('ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text, 'ExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text, 'AccessExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ExclusiveLock'::text, 'RowShareLock'::text),
         ('ExclusiveLock'::text, 'RowExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareLock'::text),
         ('ExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ExclusiveLock'::text, 'ExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('ExclusiveLock'::text, 'AccessExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('AccessExclusiveLock'::text, 'AccessShareLock'::text),
         ('AccessExclusiveLock'::text, 'RowShareLock'::text),
         ('AccessExclusiveLock'::text, 'RowExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('AccessExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('AccessExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareLock'::text),
         ('AccessExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('AccessExclusiveLock'::text, 'ExclusiveLock'::text),
         ('AccessExclusiveLock'::text, 'AccessExclusiveLock'::text)
       ),
     l AS
       (
         SELECT
             (locktype,DATABASE,relation::regclass::text,page,tuple,virtualxid,transactionid,classid,objid,objsubid)
AS target,
             virtualtransaction,
             pid,
             mode,
             granted
           FROM pg_catalog.pg_locks
       ),
     t AS
       (
         SELECT
             blocker.target  AS blocker_target,
             blocker.pid     AS blocker_pid,
             blocker.mode    AS blocker_mode,
             blocked.target  AS target,
             blocked.pid     AS pid,
             blocked.mode    AS mode
           FROM l blocker
           JOIN l blocked
             ON ( NOT blocked.granted
              AND blocker.granted
              AND blocked.pid != blocker.pid
              AND blocked.target IS NOT DISTINCT FROM blocker.target)
           JOIN c ON (c.requested = blocked.mode AND c.current = blocker.mode)
       ),
     r AS
       (
         SELECT
             blocker_target,
             blocker_pid,
             blocker_mode,
             '1'::int        AS depth,
             target,
             pid,
             mode,
             blocker_pid::text || ',' || pid::text AS seq
           FROM t
         UNION ALL
         SELECT
             blocker.blocker_target,
             blocker.blocker_pid,
             blocker.blocker_mode,
             blocker.depth + 1,
             blocked.target,
             blocked.pid,
             blocked.mode,
             blocker.seq || ',' || blocked.pid::text
           FROM r blocker
           JOIN t blocked
             ON (blocked.blocker_pid = blocker.pid)
           WHERE blocker.depth < 1000
       )SELECT * FROM r
  ORDER BY seq;
(0 rows)


no finding here either :(

best,

/mstelios


Stelios Mavromichalis
Cytech Ltd. - http://www.cytech.gr/
Science & Technology Park of Crete
fax: +30 2810 31 1045
tel.: +30 2810 31 4127
mob.: +30 697 7078013
skype: mstelios


On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:54 AM, David G Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Stelios Mavromichalis wrote
> > as a prior step to dump/restore i am thinking of deleting and
> re-inserting
> > that particular row. that might share some light you think?
>
> I still dislike the randomness of the unresponsiveness...
>
> Every time you perform an update you "delete and insert" that row - that is
> how an update works in MVCC - so doing so explicitly is unlikely to provide
> any benefit.  Since that row is continually being inserted, and no other
> rows are having this issue, I'm seriously doubting that a dump/restore is
> going to have any effect either.  Note that the index scan took twice as
> long in the bad case - but still reasonable and you didn't notice any
> benefit from a REINDEX.  This is what I would expect.
>
> The only other difference, if concurrency has been ruled out, is the 4 vs
> 18
> buffers that had to be read.  I cannot imagine that, since all 22 were in
> cache, that simply reading that much more data would account for the
> difference (we're talking a 10,000-fold increase, not 2to4-fold).  The
> reason for this particular difference, IIUC, is how may candidate tuples
> are
> present whose visibility has to be accounted for (assuming 1 buffer per
> tuple, you needed to scan 4 vs 18 for visibility in the two queries).
>
> Is there any log file information you can share?  Especially if you can set
> log_min_statement_duration (or whatever that GUC is named) so that whenever
> one of these gets adversely delayed it appears in the log along with
> whatever other system messages are being sent.  Checkpoints are a typical
> culprit though that should be affecting a great deal more than what you
> indicate you are seeing.
>
> I'm pretty certain you are seeing this here largely because of the
> frequency
> of activity on this particular user; not because the data itself is
> corrupted.  It could be some kind of symptom of internal concurrency that
> you just haven't observed yet but it could also be I/O or other system
> contention that you also haven't properly instrumented.  Unfortunately that
> is beyond my current help-providing skill-set.
>
> A dump-restore likely would not make anything worse though I'd be surprised
> if it were to improve matters.  It also doesn't seem like hardware - unless
> the RAM is bad.  Software bugs are unlikely if this had been working well
> before 5 days ago.   So, you need to observe the system during both periods
> (good and bad) and observe something that is different - probably not
> within
> PostgreSQL if indeed you've minimized concurrency.  And also see if you can
> see if any other queries, executed during both these times, exhibit a
> performance decrease.  Logging all statements would help matters greatly if
> you can afford it in your production environment - it would make looking
> for
> internal concurrency much easier.
>
> David J.
>
>
>
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^ permalink  raw  reply  [nested|flat] 6+ messages in thread

* Re: Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query....
  2014-05-05 21:21 Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
  2014-05-05 21:51 ` Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... David G Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
  2014-05-05 22:06   ` Re: Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
  2014-05-05 23:54     ` Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... David G Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
  2014-05-06 13:31       ` Re: Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
@ 2014-05-07 15:57         ` Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread

From: Stelios Mavromichalis @ 2014-05-07 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: David G Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>; +Cc: pgsql-performance

hello everyone,

i feel like i owe you all an apology.

it _was_ a locking problem after all.

i don't know why i was unlucky enough to never detect it for so long, no
matter how hard i tried and how many times i did.

eventually, after many hours on the problem and hitting a locks dependency
query (last one from <http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Lock_Monitoring;)
many times without apparent (seemed at the time) reason, it revealed the
heart of my problem.

there was another query updating another column (opt_pushdlr_ltstamp) on
that particular row (usid = 10808). however, due to bad written code
(didn't addBatch and execute all at once instead updated instantly and
delaying the commit while waiting for external _slow_ servers to reply) and
external events that update didn't commit for long periods of time, forcing
the original balance update to wait for it.

so, thanks to your advise (that a dump/restore wouldn't help me) i didn't
bring the service down for a dump/restore cycle that wasn't required after
all saving me service down time.

i can't thank you enough for leading me to solve this problem and helping
me obtain deeper understanding of postgres.

wish you all have a great day.

my apology and best regards,

/mstelios


Stelios Mavromichalis
Cytech Ltd. - http://www.cytech.gr/
Science & Technology Park of Crete
fax: +30 2810 31 1045
tel.: +30 2810 31 4127
mob.: +30 697 7078013
skype: mstelios


On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>wrote:

> hello again,
>
> some more data on the subject:
>
> you are right, delete/re-insert didn't solve the problem (haven't yet
> tried dump/restore, i might tonight, when low traffic).
>
> a short snip from logs were i log all queries that take longer then 1sec:
>
> 2014-05-06T15:57:46.303880+03:00 s10 postgres[46220]: [1891-1] prosms
> prosms LOG:  00000: duration: 1947.172 ms  execute <unnamed>: select
> easysms_jb_pay($1,
> $2)
> 2014-05-06T15:57:46.304230+03:00 s10 postgres[46220]: [1891-2] prosms
> prosms DETAIL:  parameters: $1 = '10808', $2 = '2'
> 2014-05-06T15:57:46.304439+03:00 s10 postgres[46220]: [1891-3] prosms
> prosms LOCATION:  exec_execute_message, postgres.c:1989
> 2014-05-06T15:57:56.199005+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2570-1] prosms
> prosms LOG:  00000: duration: 6869.886 ms  execute <unnamed>: select
> easysms_jb_pay($1,$2)
> 2014-05-06T15:57:56.199349+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2570-2] prosms
> prosms DETAIL:  parameters: $1 = '10808', $2 = '2'
> 2014-05-06T15:57:56.199567+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2570-3] prosms
> prosms LOCATION:  exec_execute_message, postgres.c:1989
> 2014-05-06T15:57:59.134982+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2571-1] prosms
> prosms LOG:  00000: duration: 1797.747 ms  execute <unnamed>: select
> easysms_jb_pay($1,$2)
> 2014-05-06T15:57:59.135334+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2571-2] prosms
> prosms DETAIL:  parameters: $1 = '10808', $2 = '2'
> 2014-05-06T15:57:59.135562+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2571-3] prosms
> prosms LOCATION:  exec_execute_message, postgres.c:1989
> 2014-05-06T15:58:07.149477+03:00 s10 postgres[46220]: [1892-1] prosms
> prosms LOG:  00000: duration: 3938.979 ms  execute <unnamed>: select
> easysms_jb_pay($1,$2)
> 2014-05-06T15:58:07.149830+03:00 s10 postgres[46220]: [1892-2] prosms
> prosms DETAIL:  parameters: $1 = '10808', $2 = '2'
> 2014-05-06T15:58:07.150067+03:00 s10 postgres[46220]: [1892-3] prosms
> prosms LOCATION:  exec_execute_message, postgres.c:1989
> 2014-05-06T16:01:33.784422+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2572-1] prosms
> prosms LOG:  00000: duration: 2921.212 ms  execute <unnamed>: select
> easysms_jb_pay($1,$2)
> 2014-05-06T16:01:33.784842+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2572-2] prosms
> prosms DETAIL:  parameters: $1 = '10808', $2 = '4'
> 2014-05-06T16:01:33.785037+03:00 s10 postgres[58002]: [2572-3] prosms
> prosms LOCATION:  exec_execute_message, postgres.c:1989
>
>
> should you deem helpful yes i can enable full query logging and summon the
> listing for you.
>
> a typical vmstat:
> # vmstat 1
> procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system--
> -----cpu------
>  r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in   cs us sy id
> wa st
>  1  0 363476 325852 294064 30520736    0    0    26   347    0    0  1  0
> 99  0  0
>  1  0 363476 328400 294068 30520732    0    0     0    28 4930 8014  6  1
> 94  0  0
>  2  0 363476 331756 294068 30520732    0    0     0  4384 4950 7980  6  1
> 93  0  0
>  0  0 363476 334016 294068 30520756    0    0     0  4384 4961 7981  7  1
> 92  0  0
>  0  0 363476 334700 294068 30520756    0    0     0  4424 4012 6467  4  1
> 95  0  0
>  1  0 363476 330852 294068 30520788    0    0     0     0 2559 3861  5  1
> 95  0  0
>  1  0 363476 331316 294072 30520788    0    0     0  4408 5013 8127  6  1
> 94  0  0
>  1  0 363476 330788 294072 30520788    0    0     0  4384 5535 9055  6  1
> 93  0  0
>  0  0 363476 331496 294072 30520804    0    0     0  4384 5031 8092  7  1
> 92  0  0
>  2  0 363476 331268 294072 30520804    0    0     0  4428 5052 8246  6  1
> 94  0  0
>  1  0 363476 330848 294080 30520812    0    0     0    32 4892 7950  5  1
> 94  0  0
>  1  0 363476 330480 294080 30520812    0    0     0  4388 4935 8036  6  1
> 94  0  0
>  2  0 363476 332616 294084 30521092    0    0     0  4408 5064 8194  6  1
> 93  0  0
>  0  0 363476 333596 294084 30521008    0    0     0  4384 5205 8463  8  1
> 91  0  0
>  1  0 363476 333324 294084 30521008    0    0     0    40 5014 8151  6  1
> 94  0  0
>  0  0 363476 332740 294084 30521016    0    0     0  4384 5047 8163  6  1
> 93  0  0
>  1  0 363476 336052 294084 30520888    0    0     0  4384 4849 7780  6  1
> 94  0  0
>  1  0 363476 334732 294088 30520892    0    0     8  4400 5520 9012  6  1
> 93  0  0
>  0  0 363476 334064 294096 30520884    0    0     0   220 3903 6193  6  1
> 94  0  0
>  0  0 363476 333124 294096 30520916    0    0     0  2232 4088 6462  6  1
> 93  0  0
>
> the process that is constantly writing the majority of data is:
>
> "postgres: stats collector process"
>
> and varies from 2.5mb/sec up to 5.7mb/sec
>
> all the other postgres (and non-postgres) processes write very little data
> and rarely.
>
> the checkpointer process is like 78.6kb/sec (a few seconds now as i write
> this email but no other is having a constant rate or I/O)
>
> also, _while having the problem_ the results of the following queries are
> (taken from http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Lock_Monitoring):
>
>  SELECT relation::regclass, * FROM pg_locks WHERE NOT granted;
>
> (0 rows)
>
>
>  SELECT bl.pid                 AS blocked_pid,
>          a.usename              AS blocked_user,
>          ka.query               AS blocking_statement,
>          now() - ka.query_start AS blocking_duration,
>          kl.pid                 AS blocking_pid,
>          ka.usename             AS blocking_user,
>          a.query                AS blocked_statement,
>          now() - a.query_start  AS blocked_duration
>   FROM  pg_catalog.pg_locks         bl
>    JOIN pg_catalog.pg_stat_activity a  ON a.pid = bl.pid
>    JOIN pg_catalog.pg_locks         kl ON kl.transactionid = bl.transactionid AND kl.pid != bl.pid
>    JOIN pg_catalog.pg_stat_activity ka ON ka.pid = kl.pid
>   WHERE NOT bl.granted;
> (0 rows)
>
> SELECT
>     waiting.locktype           AS waiting_locktype,
>     waiting.relation::regclass AS waiting_table,
>     waiting_stm.query          AS waiting_query,
>     waiting.mode               AS waiting_mode,
>     waiting.pid                AS waiting_pid,
>     other.locktype             AS other_locktype,
>     other.relation::regclass   AS other_table,
>     other_stm.query            AS other_query,
>     other.mode                 AS other_mode,
>     other.pid                  AS other_pid,
>     other.granted              AS other_grantedFROM
>     pg_catalog.pg_locks AS waitingJOIN
>     pg_catalog.pg_stat_activity AS waiting_stm
>     ON (
>         waiting_stm.pid = waiting.pid
>     )JOIN
>     pg_catalog.pg_locks AS other
>     ON (
>         (
>             waiting."database" = other."database"
>         AND waiting.relation  = other.relation
>         )
>         OR waiting.transactionid = other.transactionid
>     )JOIN
>     pg_catalog.pg_stat_activity AS other_stm
>     ON (
>         other_stm.pid = other.pid
>     )WHERE
>     NOT waiting.grantedAND
>     waiting.pid <> other.pid;
> (0 rows)
>
>
>
> WITH RECURSIVE
>      c(requested, current) AS
>        ( VALUES
>          ('AccessShareLock'::text, 'AccessExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('RowShareLock'::text, 'ExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('RowShareLock'::text, 'AccessExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('RowExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareLock'::text),
>          ('RowExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('RowExclusiveLock'::text, 'ExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('RowExclusiveLock'::text, 'AccessExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareLock'::text),
>          ('ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text, 'ExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text, 'AccessExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ShareLock'::text, 'RowExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ShareLock'::text, 'ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ShareLock'::text, 'ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ShareLock'::text, 'ExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ShareLock'::text, 'AccessExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text, 'RowExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareLock'::text),
>          ('ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text, 'ExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text, 'AccessExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ExclusiveLock'::text, 'RowShareLock'::text),
>          ('ExclusiveLock'::text, 'RowExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareLock'::text),
>          ('ExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ExclusiveLock'::text, 'ExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('ExclusiveLock'::text, 'AccessExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('AccessExclusiveLock'::text, 'AccessShareLock'::text),
>          ('AccessExclusiveLock'::text, 'RowShareLock'::text),
>          ('AccessExclusiveLock'::text, 'RowExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('AccessExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareUpdateExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('AccessExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareLock'::text),
>          ('AccessExclusiveLock'::text, 'ShareRowExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('AccessExclusiveLock'::text, 'ExclusiveLock'::text),
>          ('AccessExclusiveLock'::text, 'AccessExclusiveLock'::text)
>        ),
>      l AS
>        (
>          SELECT
>              (locktype,DATABASE,relation::regclass::text,page,tuple,virtualxid,transactionid,classid,objid,objsubid) AS target,
>              virtualtransaction,
>              pid,
>              mode,
>              granted
>            FROM pg_catalog.pg_locks
>        ),
>      t AS
>        (
>          SELECT
>              blocker.target  AS blocker_target,
>              blocker.pid     AS blocker_pid,
>              blocker.mode    AS blocker_mode,
>              blocked.target  AS target,
>              blocked.pid     AS pid,
>              blocked.mode    AS mode
>            FROM l blocker
>            JOIN l blocked
>              ON ( NOT blocked.granted
>               AND blocker.granted
>               AND blocked.pid != blocker.pid
>               AND blocked.target IS NOT DISTINCT FROM blocker.target)
>            JOIN c ON (c.requested = blocked.mode AND c.current = blocker.mode)
>        ),
>      r AS
>        (
>          SELECT
>              blocker_target,
>              blocker_pid,
>              blocker_mode,
>              '1'::int        AS depth,
>              target,
>              pid,
>              mode,
>              blocker_pid::text || ',' || pid::text AS seq
>            FROM t
>          UNION ALL
>          SELECT
>              blocker.blocker_target,
>              blocker.blocker_pid,
>              blocker.blocker_mode,
>              blocker.depth + 1,
>              blocked.target,
>              blocked.pid,
>              blocked.mode,
>              blocker.seq || ',' || blocked.pid::text
>            FROM r blocker
>            JOIN t blocked
>              ON (blocked.blocker_pid = blocker.pid)
>            WHERE blocker.depth < 1000
>        )SELECT * FROM r
>   ORDER BY seq;
> (0 rows)
>
>
> no finding here either :(
>
> best,
>
> /mstelios
>
>
> Stelios Mavromichalis
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>
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:54 AM, David G Johnston <
> david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Stelios Mavromichalis wrote
>> > as a prior step to dump/restore i am thinking of deleting and
>> re-inserting
>> > that particular row. that might share some light you think?
>>
>> I still dislike the randomness of the unresponsiveness...
>>
>> Every time you perform an update you "delete and insert" that row - that
>> is
>> how an update works in MVCC - so doing so explicitly is unlikely to
>> provide
>> any benefit.  Since that row is continually being inserted, and no other
>> rows are having this issue, I'm seriously doubting that a dump/restore is
>> going to have any effect either.  Note that the index scan took twice as
>> long in the bad case - but still reasonable and you didn't notice any
>> benefit from a REINDEX.  This is what I would expect.
>>
>> The only other difference, if concurrency has been ruled out, is the 4 vs
>> 18
>> buffers that had to be read.  I cannot imagine that, since all 22 were in
>> cache, that simply reading that much more data would account for the
>> difference (we're talking a 10,000-fold increase, not 2to4-fold).  The
>> reason for this particular difference, IIUC, is how may candidate tuples
>> are
>> present whose visibility has to be accounted for (assuming 1 buffer per
>> tuple, you needed to scan 4 vs 18 for visibility in the two queries).
>>
>> Is there any log file information you can share?  Especially if you can
>> set
>> log_min_statement_duration (or whatever that GUC is named) so that
>> whenever
>> one of these gets adversely delayed it appears in the log along with
>> whatever other system messages are being sent.  Checkpoints are a typical
>> culprit though that should be affecting a great deal more than what you
>> indicate you are seeing.
>>
>> I'm pretty certain you are seeing this here largely because of the
>> frequency
>> of activity on this particular user; not because the data itself is
>> corrupted.  It could be some kind of symptom of internal concurrency that
>> you just haven't observed yet but it could also be I/O or other system
>> contention that you also haven't properly instrumented.  Unfortunately
>> that
>> is beyond my current help-providing skill-set.
>>
>> A dump-restore likely would not make anything worse though I'd be
>> surprised
>> if it were to improve matters.  It also doesn't seem like hardware -
>> unless
>> the RAM is bad.  Software bugs are unlikely if this had been working well
>> before 5 days ago.   So, you need to observe the system during both
>> periods
>> (good and bad) and observe something that is different - probably not
>> within
>> PostgreSQL if indeed you've minimized concurrency.  And also see if you
>> can
>> see if any other queries, executed during both these times, exhibit a
>> performance decrease.  Logging all statements would help matters greatly
>> if
>> you can afford it in your production environment - it would make looking
>> for
>> internal concurrency much easier.
>>
>> David J.
>>
>>
>>
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2014-05-05 21:21 Re: recently and selectively slow, but very simple, update query.... Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
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2014-05-05 22:06   ` Stelios Mavromichalis <mstelios@cytech.gr>
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