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From: Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
To: Jim C. Nasby <decibel@decibel.org>
Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: Tuning planner cost estimates
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 15:23:16 -0700
Message-ID: <200505201523.16437.josh@agliodbs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050520202017.GK44623@decibel.org>
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Jim,

> Well, that raises an interesting issue, because AFAIK none of the cost
> estimate functions currently do that. Heck, AFAIK even the piggyback
> seqscan code doesn't take other seqscans into account.

Sure.   But you're striving for greater accuracy, no?

Actually, all that's really needed in the way of concurrent activity is a 
calculated factor that lets us know how likely a particular object is to be 
cached, either in the fs cache or the pg cache (with different factors for 
each presumably) based on history.   Right now, that's based on 
estimated_cache_size, which is rather innacurate: a table which is queried 
once a month has the exact same cost factors as one which is queried every 
2.1 seconds.  This would mean an extra column in pg_stats I suppose.

> But ultimately, I'm not sure if this is really required or not, because
> I don't see that we need to use explain when running queries. In fact,
> it's possibly desireable that we don't, because of the overhead it
> incurs. We would want to log an explain (maybe analyze) just to make
> sure we knew what the optimizer was doing, but I think we shouldn't need
> the info to produce cost estimates.

Well, the problem is that you need to know how much time the index scan took 
vs. other query steps.   I don't see a way to do this other than an anayze.

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