From: Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>
To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Configuration Tool for Dummies
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:02:35 -0700
Message-ID: <200706271102.35965.josh@agliodbs.com> (raw)
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Greg,
> I'd like to see people have a really simple set of questions to get them
> past the completely undersized initial configuration phase, then ship them
> toward resources to help educate about the parts that could be problematic
> for them based on what they do or don't know. I don't see an
> inconsistancy that I'd expect people to have a reasonable guess for
> max_connections, while also telling them that setting sort_mem is
> important, a middle value has been assigned, but a really correct setting
> isn't something they can expect the simple config tool to figure out for
> them; here's a pointer to the appropriate documentation to learn more.
I disagree that this is acceptable, especially when we could set a better
value using an easy-to-understand question. It's also been my experience (in
3 years of professional performance tuning) that most users *don't* have an
accurate guess for max_connections.
I'm really not clear on why you think "what flavor of application do you
have?" is a difficult question. It's certainly one that my clients were able
to answer easily. Overall, it seems like you're shooting for a conf tool
which only really works for web apps, which isn't my personal goal or I think
a good use of our time.
> I'm still of the opinion that recommendations for settings like
> max_fsm_pages and maintenance_work_mem should come out of a different type
> of tool that connects to the database.
Well, there's several steps to this:
1) Run conf tool when installing PG;
2) Run conf tool++ after application is first up and running;
3) Run conf tool++ after application has been in production
The (1) tool should at least provide a configuration which isn't going to lead
to long term issues. For example, dramatically underallocating fsm_pages can
result in having to run VACUUM FULL and the associated downtime, so it's
something we want to avoid at the outset.
--
Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL @ Sun
San Francisco
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