From: Bill Moran <wmoran@collaborativefusion.com>
To: \"Mikkel Høgh\" <mikkel@hoegh.org>
Cc: pgsql-general <pgsql-general@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: Annoying Reply-To
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:01:03 -0400
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In response to "Mikkel Høgh" <mikkel@hoegh.org>:
>
> On 17/10/2008, at 13.20, Bill Moran wrote:
>
> > In response to "Mikkel Høgh" <mikkel@hoegh.org>:
> >
> >> On 17/10/2008, at 12.24, Tomasz Ostrowski wrote:
> >>
> >> But again, how often do you want to give a personal reply only? That
> >> is a valid use-case, but I'd say amongst the hundreds of mailing-list
> >> replies I've written over the years, only two or three were not sent
> >> back to the mailing list.
> >
> > You're forgetting the cost of a mistake in that case.
> >
> > As it stands, if you hit reply when you meant reply-to, oops, resend.
> >
> > If it's changed and you hit reply when you want to send a private
> > message
> > to the poster, you just broadcast your private message to the world.
>
> And again, how often does this happen? How often do people write
> really sensitive e-mails based on messages on pgsql-general.
It happens very infrequently. You're ignoring me and constantly trying
to refocus away from my real argument. The frequency is not the
justification, it's the severity that justifies it.
If we save one overworked DBA per year from endangering their job online,
I say it's worth it.
> How far are you willing to go to protect people against themselves?
Personally, I'm willing to go so far as to expect the person to think
about whether to hit reply or reply-to before sending the mail. I don't
see that as unreasonable.
> but having to manually add a Reply-To
> header to each message I send to pgsql-general is not my idea of fun.
I was not aware that Apple Mail was such a primitive email client. You
should consider switching to something that has a reply-to button. I'm
very disappointed in Apple.
> You may not care about usability or user experience, but remember that
> what seems to be correct from a technical perpective is not always the
> "right" thing to do.
As I said, consider getting a real email client if this is wasting so
much of your time. It doesn't cause me any undue effort.
Or, you could just be lonely. I think you've spent enough man hours
complaining about this to manually work around the problem for several
years, which blows your "this wastes too much of my valuable time"
argument out of the water.
--
Bill Moran
Collaborative Fusion Inc.
http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/
wmoran@collaborativefusion.com
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