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From: Nicolas Charles <nicolas.charles@normation.com>
To: Neto pr <netopr9@gmail.com>
To: Mark Kirkwood <mark.kirkwood@catalyst.net.nz>
To: postgres performance list <pgsql-performance@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: Why HDD performance is better than SSD in this case
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 11:33:39 +0200
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Le 18/07/2018 à 03:16, Neto pr a écrit :
> 2018-07-17 22:13 GMT-03:00 Neto pr <netopr9@gmail.com>:
>> 2018-07-17 20:04 GMT-03:00 Mark Kirkwood <mark.kirkwood@catalyst.net.nz>:
>>> Ok, so dropping the cache is good.
>>>
>>> How are you ensuring that you have one test setup on the HDDs and one on the
>>> SSDs? i.e do you have 2 postgres instances? or are you using one instance
>>> with tablespaces to locate the relevant tables? If the 2nd case then you
>>> will get pollution of shared_buffers if you don't restart between the HHD
>>> and SSD tests. If you have 2 instances then you need to carefully check the
>>> parameters are set the same (and probably shut the HDD instance down when
>>> testing the SSD etc).
>>>
>> Dear  Mark
>> To ensure that the test is honest and has the same configuration the
>> O.S. and also DBMS, my O.S. is installed on the SSD and DBMS as well.
>> I have an instance only of DBMS and two database.
>> - a database called tpch40gnorhdd with tablespace on the HDD disk.
>> - a database called tpch40gnorssd with tablespace on the SSD disk.
>> See below:
>>
>> postgres=# \l
>>                  List of databases
>>       Name      |  Owner   | Encoding |   Collate   |    Ctype    |
>> Access privileges
>> ---------------+----------+----------+-------------+-------------+-----------------------
>>   postgres      | postgres | UTF8     | en_US.UTF-8 | en_US.UTF-8 |
>>   template0     | postgres | UTF8     | en_US.UTF-8 | en_US.UTF-8 |
>> =c/postgres          +
>>                 |          |          |             |             |
>> postgres=CTc/postgres
>>   template1     | postgres | UTF8     | en_US.UTF-8 | en_US.UTF-8 |
>> =c/postgres          +
>>                 |          |          |             |             |
>> postgres=CTc/postgres
>>   tpch40gnorhdd | user1    | UTF8     | en_US.UTF-8 | en_US.UTF-8 |
>>   tpch40gnorssd | user1    | UTF8     | en_US.UTF-8 | en_US.UTF-8 |
>> (5 rows)
>>
>> postgres=#
>>
>> After 7 query execution in a database tpch40gnorhdd I restart the DBMS
>> (/etc/init.d/pg101norssd restart and drop cache of the O.S.) and go to
>> execution test with the database tpch40gnorssd.
>> You think in this case there is pollution of shared_buffers?
>> Why do you think having O.S. on SSD is bad? Do you could explain better?
>>
>> Best regards
>> []`s Neto
>>
> +1 information about EVO SSD Samsung:
>
>   Model: 850 Evo 500 GB SATA III 6Gb/s -
> http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/product/consumer/850evo/
As stated on his ML on january, Samsung 850 Evo is not a particularly 
fast SSD - especially it's not really consistent in term of performance 
( see https://www.anandtech.com/show/8747/samsung-ssd-850-evo-review/5 
and https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1913 ). This is not a 
product for professional usage, and you should not expect great 
performance from it - as reported by these benchmark, you can have a 
34ms latency in very intensive usage:
ATSB - The Destroyer (99th Percentile Write Latency)99th Percentile 
Latency in Microseconds - Lower is Better *34923

*Even average write latency of the Samsung 850 Evo is 3,3 ms in 
intensive workload

Why are you using this type of SSD for your benchmark ? What do you plan 
to achieve ?

>
>>> I can see a couple of things in your setup that might pessimize the SDD
>>> case:
>>> - you have OS on the SSD - if you tests make the system swap then this will
>>> wreck the SSD result
>>> - you have RAID 0 SSD...some of the cheaper ones slow down when you do this.
>>> maybe test with a single SSD
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On 18/07/18 01:04, Neto pr wrote (note snippage):
>>>
>>>> (echo 3> / proc / sys / vm / drop_caches;
>>>>
>>>> discs:
>>>> - 2 units of Samsung Evo SSD 500 GB (mounted on ZERO RAID)
>>>> - 2 SATA 7500 Krpm HDD units - 1TB (mounted on ZERO RAID)
>>>>
>>>> - The Operating System and the Postgresql DBMS are installed on the SSD
>>>> disk.
>>>>
>>>>

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