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@ 2006-05-10 02:59 Shoaib Burq <sab@vpac.org>
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@ 2006-05-10 03:20 ` Chris <dmagick@gmail.com>
2006-05-10 05:15 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
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From: Chris @ 2006-05-10 03:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Shoaib Burq wrote:
> UNSUBSCRIBE
To unsubscribe:
List-Unsubscribe:
<mailto:majordomo@postgresql.org?body=unsub%20pgsql-performance>
Email admins - Could we add this above or below the random tips that get
appended to every email ?
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2006-05-10 02:59 UNSUBSCRIBE Shoaib Burq <sab@vpac.org>
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@ 2006-05-10 05:15 ` Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
2006-05-10 05:22 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Chris <dmagick@gmail.com>
2006-05-10 18:10 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
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From: Tom Lane @ 2006-05-10 05:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chris <dmagick@gmail.com>; +Cc: pgsql-performance
Chris <dmagick@gmail.com> writes:
> Email admins - Could we add this above or below the random tips that get
> appended to every email ?
You mean like these headers that already get added to every list
message (these copied-and-pasted from your own message):
List-help: <mailto:majordomo@postgresql.org?body=help>
List-owner: <mailto:pgsql-performance-owner@postgresql.org>
List-subscribe: <mailto:majordomo@postgresql.org?body=sub%20pgsql-performance>
List-unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo@postgresql.org?body=unsub%20pgsql-performance>
Plus there are at least two of the "random tips" that deal with how to
unsubscribe. My feeling is that the people who can't figure this out
still won't figure it out, no matter how thick the cluebat we swing at
them :-(
Maybe the real problem is at the other end of the process, ie we should
require some evidence of a greater-than-room-temp IQ to subscribe in the
first place?
regards, tom lane
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2006-05-10 02:59 UNSUBSCRIBE Shoaib Burq <sab@vpac.org>
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@ 2006-05-10 05:22 ` Chris <dmagick@gmail.com>
2006-05-10 05:42 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
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From: Chris @ 2006-05-10 05:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; +Cc: pgsql-performance
Tom Lane wrote:
> Chris <dmagick@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>Email admins - Could we add this above or below the random tips that get
>>appended to every email ?
>
>
> You mean like these headers that already get added to every list
> message (these copied-and-pasted from your own message):
The headers aren't the first place you'd go looking for such info.. once
you know they are there it's ok.
> Maybe the real problem is at the other end of the process, ie we should
> require some evidence of a greater-than-room-temp IQ to subscribe in the
> first place?
Maybe :) The php-general list has
To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
at the bottom of every email, and there are still random unsubscribe
requests..
Ah well :)
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2006-05-10 02:59 UNSUBSCRIBE Shoaib Burq <sab@vpac.org>
2006-05-10 03:20 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Chris <dmagick@gmail.com>
2006-05-10 05:15 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
2006-05-10 05:22 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Chris <dmagick@gmail.com>
@ 2006-05-10 05:42 ` Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
2006-05-10 06:14 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Michael Glaesemann <grzm@seespotcode.net>
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From: Tom Lane @ 2006-05-10 05:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chris <dmagick@gmail.com>; +Cc: pgsql-performance
Chris <dmagick@gmail.com> writes:
> Tom Lane wrote:
>> Maybe the real problem is at the other end of the process, ie we should
>> require some evidence of a greater-than-room-temp IQ to subscribe in the
>> first place?
> Maybe :) The php-general list has
> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
> at the bottom of every email, and there are still random unsubscribe
> requests..
That's depressing, indeed :-(
I'm not against spending a little bandwidth to provide unsub
instructions, but somehow I can't see putting an 8x10 color glossy
photograph with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back [1]
of every list message to do it.
regards, tom lane
[1] http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/alicesre.htm
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2006-05-10 03:20 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Chris <dmagick@gmail.com>
2006-05-10 05:15 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
2006-05-10 05:22 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Chris <dmagick@gmail.com>
2006-05-10 05:42 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
@ 2006-05-10 06:14 ` Michael Glaesemann <grzm@seespotcode.net>
2006-05-10 15:10 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
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From: Michael Glaesemann @ 2006-05-10 06:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; +Cc: Chris <dmagick@gmail.com>; pgsql-performance
On May 10, 2006, at 14:42 , Tom Lane wrote:
> Chris <dmagick@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Maybe :) The php-general list has
>
>> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
>
>> at the bottom of every email, and there are still random unsubscribe
>> requests..
That will *always* happen. Just human nature and the numbers of
subscribers. However, a one-liner that either points to the webpage
for unsubscribing (probably easiest) or a brief description on how to
unsubscribe (To unsubscribe, send an email to
majordomo@postgresql.org with body "unsub pgsql-performance" (without
quotes)) may intercept a few more. Is there a way to configure
Majordomo to make even easier to unsubscribe? Just sending to pgsql-
performance-unsubscribe@postgresql.org or some such? I've seen other
mailing lists that do this. Requiring a specific command (what's the
command? in the subject or the body?) is one more place a person can
make a mistake. (I've recently switched mail accounts and unsubbed/
subbed from the lists I'm on. This latter style does make it a lot
easier.)
(And are there mail readers out there that can pick those subscribe/
unsubscribe headers from the list emails? Now *that'd* be sweet.)
Michael Glaesemann
grzm seespotcode net
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@ 2006-05-10 15:10 ` Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
2006-05-10 22:19 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Jim C. Nasby <jnasby@pervasive.com>
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From: Tom Lane @ 2006-05-10 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Glaesemann <grzm@seespotcode.net>; +Cc: Chris <dmagick@gmail.com>; pgsql-performance
Michael Glaesemann <grzm@seespotcode.net> writes:
> (And are there mail readers out there that can pick those subscribe/
> unsubscribe headers from the list emails? Now *that'd* be sweet.)
Well, in my fairly ancient copy of exmh, any message with such headers
causes an additional menu to appear:
List...
help
unsubscribe
owner
subscribe
archive
id
post
Clicking on any of these takes you to the webpage referenced by the header.
(It looks like it's just generating menu entries for whatever "List-foo"
headers it finds; the behavior isn't real helpful for headers that don't
contain URLs, but most of these do.)
Whether there's anything mass-market that knows about these headers,
I dunno, but it's not like the spec hasn't been out there plenty long
enough:
ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc2369.txt
regards, tom lane
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@ 2006-05-10 22:19 ` Jim C. Nasby <jnasby@pervasive.com>
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From: Jim C. Nasby @ 2006-05-10 22:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; +Cc: Michael Glaesemann <grzm@seespotcode.net>; Chris <dmagick@gmail.com>; pgsql-performance
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 11:10:37AM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> Michael Glaesemann <grzm@seespotcode.net> writes:
> > (And are there mail readers out there that can pick those subscribe/
> > unsubscribe headers from the list emails? Now *that'd* be sweet.)
>
> Well, in my fairly ancient copy of exmh, any message with such headers
> causes an additional menu to appear:
Based on the constantly broken threading in the lists, I'd bet that less
than 20% of posters use something more sophisticated than MS LookOut!,
and I'm sure that the stats for subscribers are far worse.
Does majordomo have an option to automagically handle such posts that
are sent to the post address instead of the admin address? I know
mailman can do that...
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@ 2006-05-10 18:10 ` Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
2006-05-10 22:21 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Jim C. Nasby <jnasby@pervasive.com>
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From: Bruno Wolff III @ 2006-05-10 18:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; +Cc: Chris <dmagick@gmail.com>; pgsql-performance
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 01:15:11 -0400,
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
>
> Maybe the real problem is at the other end of the process, ie we should
> require some evidence of a greater-than-room-temp IQ to subscribe in the
> first place?
I suspect it is more lazyiness that smarts. That had to at least figure out
how to respond to the confirm message in the first place in order to get
subscribed.
My theory is that they don't want to take the trouble to figure out how to
unsubscribe when they (think that they) can just send a message to the list
(not even the admin) asking to be unsubscribed and it will (well actually won't
on these lists) happen.
Maybe posts with "unsubscribe" in the subject could be held for moderation
and/or get an automated reply with instructions for unsubscribing.
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2006-05-10 05:15 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
2006-05-10 18:10 ` Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
@ 2006-05-10 22:21 ` Jim C. Nasby <jnasby@pervasive.com>
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From: Jim C. Nasby @ 2006-05-10 22:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>; Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; Chris <dmagick@gmail.com>; pgsql-performance
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 01:10:51PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 01:15:11 -0400,
> Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe the real problem is at the other end of the process, ie we should
> > require some evidence of a greater-than-room-temp IQ to subscribe in the
> > first place?
>
> I suspect it is more lazyiness that smarts. That had to at least figure out
> how to respond to the confirm message in the first place in order to get
> subscribed.
> My theory is that they don't want to take the trouble to figure out how to
> unsubscribe when they (think that they) can just send a message to the list
> (not even the admin) asking to be unsubscribed and it will (well actually won't
> on these lists) happen.
The confirm email has a directly-clickable link, or you can just reply
to it. From that standpoint, it's substantially easier and simpler than
unsubscribing is...
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Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117
vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
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In response to "Gourish Singbal" <gourish@gmail.com>:
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To: Mohan R <mohanr@bsil.com>; +Cc: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org <pgsql-admin@postgresql.org>
Hello,
On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 17:28 +0530, Mohan R wrote:
> Please unsubscribe
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From: lst_hoe01@kwsoft.de @ 2006-08-17 06:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Zitat von Mohan R <mohanr@bsil.com>:
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> Regards
> R Mohan
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Please unsubscribe me! Thank you!
Also, it would be better to have a message foot saying how to unsubscribe.
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From: Markus Schaber @ 2006-10-02 22:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: uwcssa <uwcssa@gmail.com>; +Cc: pgsql-performance
Hi, Uwcssa,
uwcssa wrote:
>
> Please unsubscribe me! Thank you!
Sorry, but we (the list members) are unable do that, we have no
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> Also, it would be better to have a message foot saying how to unsubscribe.
List unsubscribe information is contained in the Headers of every mail
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From: Geoffrey @ 2006-10-03 14:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
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uwcssa wrote:
> Please unsubscribe me! Thank you!
>
>
> Also, it would be better to have a message foot saying how to unsubscribe.
It would be better if you would have paid attention when you subscribed
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From: felix@crowfix.com @ 2006-10-03 17:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 01:36:17PM -0400, uwcssa wrote:
> Please unsubscribe me! Thank you!
>
>
> Also, it would be better to have a message foot saying how to unsubscribe.
Will this do? It's too big for a footer.
Here's how to unsubscribe:
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System A, depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber will be
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connection point until you feel it lock.
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Place the dalkron unsubscriber in the vacuum receptacle to the rear.
Activate by pressing the blue button.
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be illuminated immediately below. On the intensity knob, select the
desired setting. Now depress the Auto-Unsub activation lever. Bathe
normally.
The Auto-Unsub will automatically go off after three minutes unless
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slippers and place them in their container.
If you prefer the ultrasonic log-off mode, press the indicated blue
button. When the twin panels open, pull forward by rings A & B. The
knob to the left, just below the blue light, has three settings, low,
medium or high. For normal use, the medium setting is suggested.
After these settings have been made, you can activate the device by
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From: Carlo Stonebanks @ 2006-10-03 17:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-performance
I got one of these last Christmas. It works great, but the device has no
obvious power source and now I can't find my cat.
God help me when I accidently try to unsubscribe like that ..
Carlo
<felix@crowfix.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 01:36:17PM -0400, uwcssa wrote:
>> Please unsubscribe me! Thank you!
>>
>>
>> Also, it would be better to have a message foot saying how to
>> unsubscribe.
>
> Will this do? It's too big for a footer.
>
> Here's how to unsubscribe:
>
> First, ask your Internet Provider to mail you an Unsubscribing Kit.
> Then follow these directions.
>
> The kit will most likely be the standard no-fault type. Depending on
> requirements, System A and/or System B can be used. When operating
> System A, depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber will be
> dispensed through the slot immediately underneath. When you have
> fastened the adhesive lip, attach connection marked by the large "X"
> outlet hose. Twist the silver-coloured ring one inch below the
> connection point until you feel it lock.
>
> The kit is now ready for use. The Cin-Eliminator is activated by the
> small switch on the lip. When securing, twist the ring back to its
> initial condition, so that the two orange lines meet. Disconnect.
> Place the dalkron unsubscriber in the vacuum receptacle to the rear.
> Activate by pressing the blue button.
>
> The controls for System B are located on the opposite side. The red
> release switch places the Cin-Eliminator into position; it can be
> adjusted manually up or down by pressing the blue manual release
> button. The opening is self-adjusting. To secure after use, press the
> green button, which simultaneously activates the evaporator and
> returns the Cin-Eliminator to its storage position.
>
> You may log off if the green exit light is on over the evaporator. If
> the red light is illuminated, one of the Cin-Eliminator requirements
> has not been properly implemented. Press the "List Guy" call button on
> the right of the evaporator. He will secure all facilities from his
> control panel.
>
> To use the Auto-Unsub, first undress and place all your clothes in the
> clothes rack. Put on the velcro slippers located in the cabinet
> immediately below. Enter the shower, taking the entire kit with
> you. On the control panel to your upper right upon entering you will
> see a "Shower seal" button. Press to activate. A green light will then
> be illuminated immediately below. On the intensity knob, select the
> desired setting. Now depress the Auto-Unsub activation lever. Bathe
> normally.
>
> The Auto-Unsub will automatically go off after three minutes unless
> you activate the "Manual off" override switch by flipping it up. When
> you are ready to leave, press the blue "Shower seal" release
> button. The door will open and you may leave. Please remove the velcro
> slippers and place them in their container.
>
> If you prefer the ultrasonic log-off mode, press the indicated blue
> button. When the twin panels open, pull forward by rings A & B. The
> knob to the left, just below the blue light, has three settings, low,
> medium or high. For normal use, the medium setting is suggested.
>
> After these settings have been made, you can activate the device by
> switching to the "ON" position the clearly marked red switch. If
> during the unsubscribing operation you wish to change the settings,
> place the "manual off" override switch in the "OFF" position. You may
> now make the change and repeat the cycle. When the green exit light
> goes on, you may log off and have lunch. Please close the door behind
> you.
>
>
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> Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / felix@crowfix.com
> GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license
> #4933
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From: Luc Delgado @ 2006-10-04 08:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-performance
Please unsubscribe me! Thank you!
Also, it would be better to have a message foot saying how to unsubscribe.
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From: Bruno Wolff III @ 2006-10-04 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Luc Delgado <luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr>; +Cc: pgsql-performance
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 10:03:00 +0200,
Luc Delgado <luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr> wrote:
>
> Please unsubscribe me! Thank you!
If you really can't figure out how to unsubscribe from a list, you should
contact the list owner, not the list. The list members can't unsubscribe you
(and it isn't their job to) and the owner may not be subscribed to the
list. The convention for lists is that adding '-owner' to the local part
of the list email address will be an address for the owner.
A good place to search to find out how to unsubscribe to a list is to search
for the mailing lists using google. Usually the information on how to subscribe
and unsubscribe are in the same place and you were able to find out how
to subscribe in the first place, so you should be able to figure out how
to unsubscribe by yourself as well.
>
>
> Also, it would be better to have a message foot saying how to unsubscribe.
No, the standard is that the list information is kept in the headers so that
it can be extracted by mail clients that care to. There is an RFC describing
these headers. They are supplied by the mailing list software used for the
Postgres mailing lists. Have your mail client display full headers for one
of the list messages to get the instructions from there.
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From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2006-10-04 15:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>; luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr; pgsql-performance
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 10:03:00 +0200,
> Luc Delgado <luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr> wrote:
>> Please unsubscribe me! Thank you!
>
> If you really can't figure out how to unsubscribe from a list, you should
> contact the list owner, not the list. The list members can't unsubscribe you
> (and it isn't their job to) and the owner may not be subscribed to the
> list.
Although I 100% agree with you Bruno, it should be noted that our lists
are a closed box for most people. They don't follow what is largely
considered standard amongst lists which is to have list information at
the bottom of each e-mail.
It is ridiculous that this community expects people to read email
headers to figure out how to unsubscribe from our lists.
> The convention for lists is that adding '-owner' to the local part
> of the list email address will be an address for the owner.
> A good place to search to find out how to unsubscribe to a list is to search
> for the mailing lists using google. Usually the information on how to subscribe
> and unsubscribe are in the same place and you were able to find out how
> to subscribe in the first place, so you should be able to figure out how
> to unsubscribe by yourself as well.
Nobody should have to work that hard to unsubscribe.
>
>>
>> Also, it would be better to have a message foot saying how to unsubscribe.
Yes, it definitely would.
>
> No, the standard is that the list information is kept in the headers so that
> it can be extracted by mail clients that care to. There is an RFC describing
> these headers. They are supplied by the mailing list software used for the
> Postgres mailing lists. Have your mail client display full headers for one
> of the list messages to get the instructions from there.
Who the heck cares what the RFC says. The RFC is irrelevant if the mail
clients don't support it. The clients that are most widely in use, do
not support unsubscribing from lists via the email headers.
Joshua D. Drake
>
> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
> TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to
> choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not
> match
>
--
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* Re: Unsubscribe
2006-10-04 08:03 Unsubscribe Luc Delgado <luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr>
2006-10-04 15:33 ` Re: Unsubscribe Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
2006-10-04 15:30 ` Re: Unsubscribe Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
@ 2006-10-04 16:28 ` Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
2006-10-04 16:26 ` Re: Unsubscribe Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
2006-10-04 16:26 ` Re: Unsubscribe Mark Lewis <mark.lewis@mir3.com>
1 sibling, 2 replies; 76+ messages in thread
From: Bruno Wolff III @ 2006-10-04 16:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>; +Cc: luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr; pgsql-performance
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 08:30:03 -0700,
"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
>
> Although I 100% agree with you Bruno, it should be noted that our lists
> are a closed box for most people. They don't follow what is largely
> considered standard amongst lists which is to have list information at
> the bottom of each e-mail.
There are reasons you don't want to do that. Footers work OK for single
part email messages. They don't make so much sense in multipart messages.
You can probably take a crap shoot and add the footer to the first
text/plain part and not break things. This won't work so well for multipart
alternative messages that have text/plain and text/html parts. You could
also try to insert a footer in to the html part, but thats a bit trickier
since you can't just put it at the end.
However, since the postgres lists are mostly just using text/plain parts
for message bodies and there are already footers being used to distribute
tips, it wouldn't make things significantly worse to add unsubscribe
information as well.
I would prefer just making the unsubscribe instructions easy to find on
the web.
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* Re: Unsubscribe
2006-10-04 08:03 Unsubscribe Luc Delgado <luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr>
2006-10-04 15:33 ` Re: Unsubscribe Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
2006-10-04 15:30 ` Re: Unsubscribe Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
2006-10-04 16:28 ` Re: Unsubscribe Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
@ 2006-10-04 16:26 ` Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 76+ messages in thread
From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2006-10-04 16:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>; Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>; luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr; pgsql-performance
> I would prefer just making the unsubscribe instructions easy to find on
> the web.
They actually reasonably are. If you go to www->community/support->lists
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
>
> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
> TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
>
--
=== The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. ===
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Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997
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* Re: Unsubscribe
2006-10-04 08:03 Unsubscribe Luc Delgado <luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr>
2006-10-04 15:33 ` Re: Unsubscribe Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
2006-10-04 15:30 ` Re: Unsubscribe Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
2006-10-04 16:28 ` Re: Unsubscribe Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
@ 2006-10-04 16:26 ` Mark Lewis <mark.lewis@mir3.com>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 76+ messages in thread
From: Mark Lewis @ 2006-10-04 16:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>; +Cc: Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>; luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr; pgsql-performance
I'd prefer to have a short footer link called something like "Mailing
List Page" which would take you to a page where you could subscribe,
unsubscribe, or view the archives. I think that making the link short
and also making it a quick shortcut away from the archives tips the
scales in terms of utility vs. annoyance. One of the tips that shows up
in the footers today is just a link to the archives anyway.
-- Mark Lewis
On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 11:28 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 08:30:03 -0700,
> "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
> >
> > Although I 100% agree with you Bruno, it should be noted that our lists
> > are a closed box for most people. They don't follow what is largely
> > considered standard amongst lists which is to have list information at
> > the bottom of each e-mail.
>
> There are reasons you don't want to do that. Footers work OK for single
> part email messages. They don't make so much sense in multipart messages.
> You can probably take a crap shoot and add the footer to the first
> text/plain part and not break things. This won't work so well for multipart
> alternative messages that have text/plain and text/html parts. You could
> also try to insert a footer in to the html part, but thats a bit trickier
> since you can't just put it at the end.
>
> However, since the postgres lists are mostly just using text/plain parts
> for message bodies and there are already footers being used to distribute
> tips, it wouldn't make things significantly worse to add unsubscribe
> information as well.
>
> I would prefer just making the unsubscribe instructions easy to find on
> the web.
>
> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
> TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings
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* Re: Unsubscribe
2006-10-04 08:03 Unsubscribe Luc Delgado <luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr>
2006-10-04 15:33 ` Re: Unsubscribe Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
2006-10-04 15:30 ` Re: Unsubscribe Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
@ 2006-10-04 19:19 ` Michael Stone <mstone+postgres@mathom.us>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 76+ messages in thread
From: Michael Stone @ 2006-10-04 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-performance
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 08:30:03AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>They don't follow what is largely
>considered standard amongst lists which is to have list information at
>the bottom of each e-mail.
In my experience such a footer doesn't do much to prevent people sending
unsubscribe messages to the list.
Mike Stone
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* Re: Unsubscribe
2006-10-04 08:03 Unsubscribe Luc Delgado <luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr>
2006-10-04 15:33 ` Re: Unsubscribe Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
@ 2006-10-04 15:47 ` Nolan Cafferky <Nolan.Cafferky@rbsinteractive.com>
2006-10-04 16:00 ` Re: Unsubscribe Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
2006-10-06 03:47 ` Re: Unsubscribe Jim Nasby <jim@nasby.net>
1 sibling, 2 replies; 76+ messages in thread
From: Nolan Cafferky @ 2006-10-04 15:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-performance
This seems to be the nearly unanimous response to people posting an
unsubscribe request to the postgres mailing lists. I emphatically agree
with the argument - people should know better than that, and the
information included in the e-mail headers should be more than
sufficient. Every conceivable avenue of discovering how to unsubscribe,
other than the list software attaching a footer on each e-mail, is
available to pursue.
I also don't care about that argument in this situation. People
ignorantly posting an unsubscribe to the list get this kind of response
because it's an annoyance to the list users, not necessarily because we
care about educating that particular person. The posts obviously don't
help future unsubscribers who aren't willing to track the information
down anyway. We should be addressing this from the standpoint of what
benefits long-term list users the most. The real question is: which is
more annoying to list users, the occasional unsubscribe posted to the
list (with accompanying responses), or a one-line footer on each post
providing a link to unsubscribe instructions?
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 10:03:00 +0200,
> Luc Delgado <luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr> wrote:
>
>> Please unsubscribe me! Thank you!
>>
>
> If you really can't figure out how to unsubscribe from a list, you should
> contact the list owner, not the list. The list members can't unsubscribe you
> (and it isn't their job to) and the owner may not be subscribed to the
> list. The convention for lists is that adding '-owner' to the local part
> of the list email address will be an address for the owner.
> A good place to search to find out how to unsubscribe to a list is to search
> for the mailing lists using google. Usually the information on how to subscribe
> and unsubscribe are in the same place and you were able to find out how
> to subscribe in the first place, so you should be able to figure out how
> to unsubscribe by yourself as well.
>
>
>> Also, it would be better to have a message foot saying how to unsubscribe.
>>
>
> No, the standard is that the list information is kept in the headers so that
> it can be extracted by mail clients that care to. There is an RFC describing
> these headers. They are supplied by the mailing list software used for the
> Postgres mailing lists. Have your mail client display full headers for one
> of the list messages to get the instructions from there.
>
--
Nolan Cafferky
Software Developer
IT Department
RBS Interactive
nolan.cafferky@rbsinteractive.com
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* Re: Unsubscribe
2006-10-04 08:03 Unsubscribe Luc Delgado <luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr>
2006-10-04 15:33 ` Re: Unsubscribe Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
2006-10-04 15:47 ` Re: Unsubscribe Nolan Cafferky <Nolan.Cafferky@rbsinteractive.com>
@ 2006-10-04 16:00 ` Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
2006-10-04 16:19 ` Re: Unsubscribe D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net>
2006-10-04 16:44 ` Re: Unsubscribe Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com>
1 sibling, 2 replies; 76+ messages in thread
From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2006-10-04 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nolan Cafferky <Nolan.Cafferky@rbsinteractive.com>; +Cc: pgsql-performance
> I also don't care about that argument in this situation. People
> ignorantly posting an unsubscribe to the list get this kind of response
> because it's an annoyance to the list users,
Over time especially now, we will see many more "users" versus
"developers". Most "users" will never know how (nor should they have to)
read email headers.
> benefits long-term list users the most. The real question is: which is
> more annoying to list users, the occasional unsubscribe posted to the
> list (with accompanying responses), or a one-line footer on each post
> providing a link to unsubscribe instructions?
Good point, because I guarantee you every time someone pulls this
elitist dung about email headers, I am going to step in and say something.
So if you want to shut me up, lets get the footer added.
Joshua D. Drake
--
=== The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. ===
Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240
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* Re: Unsubscribe
2006-10-04 08:03 Unsubscribe Luc Delgado <luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr>
2006-10-04 15:33 ` Re: Unsubscribe Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
2006-10-04 15:47 ` Re: Unsubscribe Nolan Cafferky <Nolan.Cafferky@rbsinteractive.com>
2006-10-04 16:00 ` Re: Unsubscribe Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
@ 2006-10-04 16:19 ` D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net>
2006-10-04 16:24 ` Re: Unsubscribe Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 76+ messages in thread
From: D'Arcy J.M. Cain @ 2006-10-04 16:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>; +Cc: Nolan.Cafferky@rbsinteractive.com; pgsql-performance
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:00:45 -0700
"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
> So if you want to shut me up, lets get the footer added.
Of course, that doesn't fix the problem 100%. I am on lists that do
show that info in the footer and people still send unsubscribe messages
to the list.
By the way, mailman has a nice feature that sends messages that look
like admin requests (such as unsubscribe) to the admin. That cuts down
on the noise quite a bit.
--
D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net> | Democracy is three wolves
http://www.druid.net/darcy/ | and a sheep voting on
+1 416 425 1212 (DoD#0082) (eNTP) | what's for dinner.
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* Re: Unsubscribe
2006-10-04 08:03 Unsubscribe Luc Delgado <luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr>
2006-10-04 15:33 ` Re: Unsubscribe Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
2006-10-04 15:47 ` Re: Unsubscribe Nolan Cafferky <Nolan.Cafferky@rbsinteractive.com>
2006-10-04 16:00 ` Re: Unsubscribe Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
2006-10-04 16:19 ` Re: Unsubscribe D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net>
@ 2006-10-04 16:24 ` Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 76+ messages in thread
From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2006-10-04 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net>; +Cc: Nolan.Cafferky@rbsinteractive.com; pgsql-performance
D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:00:45 -0700
> "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
>> So if you want to shut me up, lets get the footer added.
>
> Of course, that doesn't fix the problem 100%. I am on lists that do
> show that info in the footer and people still send unsubscribe messages
> to the list.
Sure, but what is more helpful? A reply that snips everything but the
footer that has those instructions or a replay that shows email headers
that look basically like some weird code to users?
>
> By the way, mailman has a nice feature that sends messages that look
> like admin requests (such as unsubscribe) to the admin. That cuts down
> on the noise quite a bit.
Well you don't have to convince me to use mailman ;)... but the *ahem*
list administrators of this project would rather have their toenails
removed with a dull spoon.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
>
--
=== The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. ===
Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240
Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997
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* Re: Unsubscribe
2006-10-04 08:03 Unsubscribe Luc Delgado <luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr>
2006-10-04 15:33 ` Re: Unsubscribe Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
2006-10-04 15:47 ` Re: Unsubscribe Nolan Cafferky <Nolan.Cafferky@rbsinteractive.com>
2006-10-04 16:00 ` Re: Unsubscribe Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
@ 2006-10-04 16:44 ` Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com>
2006-10-04 16:48 ` Re: Unsubscribe Geoffrey <esoteric@3times25.net>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 76+ messages in thread
From: Steve Atkins @ 2006-10-04 16:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-performance
On Oct 4, 2006, at 9:00 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
>> I also don't care about that argument in this situation. People
>> ignorantly posting an unsubscribe to the list get this kind of
>> response
>> because it's an annoyance to the list users,
>
> Over time especially now, we will see many more "users" versus
> "developers". Most "users" will never know how (nor should they
> have to)
> read email headers.
They should know how to participate in mailing lists. That's
unrelated to whether you're a developer or a user.
The same webpage where you subscribe to a mailing list,
you can also unsubscribe. This is not some weird technical
voodoo, just that some people prefer to waste a thousand
other peoples time than spend a minute or two of their own.
Fortunately, they're a tiny minority.
>
>> benefits long-term list users the most. The real question is:
>> which is
>> more annoying to list users, the occasional unsubscribe posted to the
>> list (with accompanying responses), or a one-line footer on each post
>> providing a link to unsubscribe instructions?
>
> Good point, because I guarantee you every time someone pulls this
> elitist dung about email headers, I am going to step in and say
> something.
>
> So if you want to shut me up, lets get the footer added.
Judging from experience on other lists, it won't help. The tiny
minority of people who are unable to unsubscribe will continue
to be unable to unsubscribe. It won't hurt, though.
Cheers,
Steve
^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 76+ messages in thread
* Re: Unsubscribe
2006-10-04 08:03 Unsubscribe Luc Delgado <luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr>
2006-10-04 15:33 ` Re: Unsubscribe Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
2006-10-04 15:47 ` Re: Unsubscribe Nolan Cafferky <Nolan.Cafferky@rbsinteractive.com>
2006-10-04 16:00 ` Re: Unsubscribe Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
2006-10-04 16:44 ` Re: Unsubscribe Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com>
@ 2006-10-04 16:48 ` Geoffrey <esoteric@3times25.net>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 76+ messages in thread
From: Geoffrey @ 2006-10-04 16:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-performance
Steve Atkins wrote:
>
> On Oct 4, 2006, at 9:00 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
>>
>>> I also don't care about that argument in this situation. People
>>> ignorantly posting an unsubscribe to the list get this kind of response
>>> because it's an annoyance to the list users,
>>
>> Over time especially now, we will see many more "users" versus
>> "developers". Most "users" will never know how (nor should they have to)
>> read email headers.
>
> They should know how to participate in mailing lists. That's
> unrelated to whether you're a developer or a user.
>
> The same webpage where you subscribe to a mailing list,
> you can also unsubscribe. This is not some weird technical
> voodoo, just that some people prefer to waste a thousand
> other peoples time than spend a minute or two of their own.
> Fortunately, they're a tiny minority.
I believe that if you could get an honest response, you'd find a lot of
these folks are just plain lazy. They don't want to recall how to
unsubscribe and figure sending mail to the list will get the required
result.
--
Until later, Geoffrey
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
- Benjamin Franklin
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* Re: Unsubscribe
2006-10-04 08:03 Unsubscribe Luc Delgado <luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr>
2006-10-04 15:33 ` Re: Unsubscribe Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>
2006-10-04 15:47 ` Re: Unsubscribe Nolan Cafferky <Nolan.Cafferky@rbsinteractive.com>
@ 2006-10-06 03:47 ` Jim Nasby <jim@nasby.net>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 76+ messages in thread
From: Jim Nasby @ 2006-10-06 03:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nolan Cafferky <Nolan.Cafferky@rbsinteractive.com>; +Cc: pgsql-performance
On Oct 4, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Nolan Cafferky wrote:
> People ignorantly posting an unsubscribe to the list get this kind
> of response because it's an annoyance to the list users,
Back in the day, a friend of mine setup an unsubscribe mailing list,
with open membership. The idea was if you saw someone post an
unsubscribe message, you'd subscribe him to this list. He'd
eventually get email from it (which had unsub directions at the end
of every message) and then flail around trying to unsubscribe.
It made for very entertaining reading until his ISP got tired of the
complaints and made him shut it down.
--
Jim C. Nasby, Database Architect jim@nasby.net
512.569.9461 (cell) http://jim.nasby.net
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* Re: Unsubscribe
@ 2006-10-04 15:44 Tobias Brox <tobias@nordicbet.com>
2006-10-04 15:54 ` Re: Unsubscribe Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 76+ messages in thread
From: Tobias Brox @ 2006-10-04 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>; +Cc: Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>; luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr; pgsql-performance
To be a bit constructive, could it be an idea to add unsubscribe
information as one of the standard tailer tips? Then unsubscribe info
wouldn't appear in every mail, but often enough for people considering
to unsubscribe. To be totally non-constructive, let me add a bit to the
noise below:
[Bruno]
> > If you really can't figure out how to unsubscribe from a list, you should
> > contact the list owner, not the list. The list members can't unsubscribe you
> > (and it isn't their job to) and the owner may not be subscribed to the
> > list.
If he can't find out how to unsubscribe from the list, how can he be
expected to figure out the owner address?
[Joshua]
> It is ridiculous that this community expects people to read email
> headers to figure out how to unsubscribe from our lists.
I always check the headers when I want to unsubscribe from any mailing
list, and I think most people on this list have above average knowledge
of such technical details. Of course, on a list with this many
recepients there will always be some exceptions ...
^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 76+ messages in thread
* Re: Unsubscribe
2006-10-04 15:44 Re: Unsubscribe Tobias Brox <tobias@nordicbet.com>
@ 2006-10-04 15:54 ` Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
2006-10-04 16:02 ` Re: Unsubscribe Csaba Nagy <nagy@ecircle-ag.com>
2006-10-06 03:49 ` Re: Unsubscribe Jim Nasby <decibel@decibel.org>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 76+ messages in thread
From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2006-10-04 15:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tobias Brox <tobias@nordicbet.com>; +Cc: Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>; luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr; pgsql-performance
> [Joshua]
>> It is ridiculous that this community expects people to read email
>> headers to figure out how to unsubscribe from our lists.
>
> I always check the headers when I want to unsubscribe from any mailing
> list, and I think most people on this list have above average knowledge
> of such technical details. Of course, on a list with this many
> recepients there will always be some exceptions ...
I would consider myself above average knowledge of such technical
details and I didn't know the list information was in the headers until
recently (the last time all of this came up).
Now, I of course did know that there were headers, and I can use them to
diagnose problems but I was unaware of an RFC that explicitly stated how
the headers were supposed to be sent for mailing lists.
However, that is besides the point. It is still ridiculous to expect
anyone to read the headers just to unsubscribe from a list.
If we didn't want to add it for each list we could just add a link here:
http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/subscribe
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
--
=== The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. ===
Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240
Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997
http://www.commandprompt.com/
^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 76+ messages in thread
* Re: Unsubscribe
2006-10-04 15:44 Re: Unsubscribe Tobias Brox <tobias@nordicbet.com>
2006-10-04 15:54 ` Re: Unsubscribe Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
@ 2006-10-04 16:02 ` Csaba Nagy <nagy@ecircle-ag.com>
2006-10-04 16:35 ` Re: Unsubscribe Csaba Nagy <nagy@ecircle-ag.com>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 76+ messages in thread
From: Csaba Nagy @ 2006-10-04 16:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>; +Cc: Tobias Brox <tobias@nordicbet.com>; Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>; pgsql-performance
> If we didn't want to add it for each list we could just add a link here:
>
> http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/subscribe
+1
When I want to unsubscribe from a list (very rare in my case, I don't
subscribe in the first place if I'm not sure I want to get it), I start
by looking where I subscribed... so the above suggestion might work
quite well even for lazy subscribers, they'll have their unsubscription
info right where they started the subscription process, no more
searching needed.
Cheers,
Csaba
^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 76+ messages in thread
* Re: Unsubscribe
2006-10-04 15:44 Re: Unsubscribe Tobias Brox <tobias@nordicbet.com>
2006-10-04 15:54 ` Re: Unsubscribe Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>
2006-10-04 16:02 ` Re: Unsubscribe Csaba Nagy <nagy@ecircle-ag.com>
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From: Csaba Nagy @ 2006-10-04 16:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>; +Cc: Tobias Brox <tobias@nordicbet.com>; Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>; pgsql-performance
On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 18:02, Csaba Nagy wrote:
> > If we didn't want to add it for each list we could just add a link here:
> >
> > http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/subscribe
OK, now that I had a second look on that page, it does contain
unsubscription info... but it's well hidden for the fugitive look... the
caption is a big "Subscribe to Lists", you wouldn't think at a first
glance think that the form is actually used to unsubscribe too, would
you ?
So maybe it's just that the text should be more explicit about what it
actually does...
Cheers,
Csaba.
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@ 2006-10-06 03:52 ` Jim Nasby <jim@nasby.net>
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From: Jim Nasby @ 2006-10-06 03:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Csaba Nagy <nagy@ecircle-ag.com>; +Cc: Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>; Tobias Brox <tobias@nordicbet.com>; Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>; pgsql-performance
On Oct 4, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Csaba Nagy wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 18:02, Csaba Nagy wrote:
>>> If we didn't want to add it for each list we could just add a
>>> link here:
>>>
>>> http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/subscribe
>
> OK, now that I had a second look on that page, it does contain
> unsubscription info... but it's well hidden for the fugitive
> look... the
> caption is a big "Subscribe to Lists", you wouldn't think at a first
> glance think that the form is actually used to unsubscribe too, would
> you ?
>
> So maybe it's just that the text should be more explicit about what it
> actually does...
Better yet, have an unsubscribe page...
Personally, I'm tempted to get creative with procmail, and post a
recipe that others can use to help enlighten those that post
unsubscribe messages to the list... :>
--
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@ 2006-10-06 03:49 ` Jim Nasby <decibel@decibel.org>
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From: Jim Nasby @ 2006-10-06 03:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>; +Cc: Tobias Brox <tobias@nordicbet.com>; Bruno Wolff III <bruno@wolff.to>; luc.delgado@aveyron.chambagri.fr; pgsql-performance
On Oct 4, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>> [Joshua]
>>> It is ridiculous that this community expects people to read email
>>> headers to figure out how to unsubscribe from our lists.
>>
>> I always check the headers when I want to unsubscribe from any
>> mailing
>> list, and I think most people on this list have above average
>> knowledge
>> of such technical details. Of course, on a list with this many
>> recepients there will always be some exceptions ...
>
> I would consider myself above average knowledge of such technical
> details and I didn't know the list information was in the headers
> until
> recently (the last time all of this came up).
>
> Now, I of course did know that there were headers, and I can use
> them to
> diagnose problems but I was unaware of an RFC that explicitly
> stated how
> the headers were supposed to be sent for mailing lists.
>
> However, that is besides the point. It is still ridiculous to expect
> anyone to read the headers just to unsubscribe from a list.
>
> If we didn't want to add it for each list we could just add a link
> here:
>
> http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/subscribe
An even better option would be to switch to a list manager that
actively traps these emails, such as mailman.
--
Jim Nasby jim@nasby.net
EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com 512.569.9461 (cell)
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From: andrew@pricecomparison.com @ 2007-01-11 00:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-performance
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim C. Nasby" <jim@nasby.net>
To: "Bob Dusek" <bob@copienttech.com>
Cc: <pgsql-performance@postgresql.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [PERFORM] performance implications of binary placement
> Are you 100% certain that both builds are using all the same libraries?
> And to be an apples-apples comparison, you really need to ensure that
> the datadir is on the same filesystem in both cases (that's the first
> thing I'd check).
>
> Also, that pg_index... error sounds like the second build has been
> corrupted.
>
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 03:37:47PM -0500, Bob Dusek wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I've been running performance tests on various incantations of Postgres
>> on/off for a month or so. And, I've just come across some unexpected
>> results.
>>
>> When I start my Postgres build as such:
>>
>> # (Scenario 1)
>>
>> ./configure --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib --bindir=/usr/bin
>> --includedir=/usr/include/pgsql --datadir=/usr/share/postgresql
>> --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-docdir=/usr/share/doc/packages
>> --disable-rpath --enable-thread-safety --enable-integer-datetimes
>> --without-python --without-perl --without-tcl --without-tk
>>
>> It performs significantly worse than when I start my build like this:
>>
>> # (Scenario 2)
>>
>> ./configure --disable-rpath --enable-thread-safety
>> --enable-integer-datetimes --without-python --without-perl --without-tcl
>> --without-tk
>>
>> Note: the only differences are that "Scenario 1" includes these
>> options:
>>
>> --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib --bindir=/usr/bin
>> --includedir=/usr/include/pgsql --datadir=/usr/share/postgresql
>> --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-docdir=/usr/share/doc/packages
>>
>> And, to be clear, "Scenario 1" performs worse than "Scenario 2". Simple
>> insert statements are taking significantly longer.
>>
>> I did not expect to see a performance hit with these options, especially
>> since "/usr/" on the test machine is mounted as its own partition, and
>> in both cases, all of the binaries, include files, etc. are in that
>> partition.
>>
>> Has anyone seen this before? Are hard drive mechanics the only thing in
>> play here?
>>
>> The only difference I'm seeing in logging between the two versions is
>> that Scenario 2 has several of this message littered throughout the
>> logfile:
>>
>> ERROR: could not open relation "pg_index_indexrelid_index": No such file
>> or directory
>>
>> But, that doesn't seem to be effecting functionality or performance
>> (especially considering the fact that the logfile that contains that
>> message is part of the test that is performing better).
>>
>> We're using Postgres 7.4.8, building from the SLES9 Postgres 7.4.8
>> source rpm.
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can provide. I can provide more detail if
>> needed.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Bob
>>
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