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@ 2008-05-01 04:16 Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>
2008-05-01 05:23 ` Re: Please ignore ... D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net>
2008-05-02 14:29 ` Re: Please ignore ... Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
2008-05-16 21:03 ` Re: Please ignore ... Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
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From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-05-01 04:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-performance
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Someone on this list has one of those 'confirm your email' filters on their
mailbox, which is bouncing back messages ... this is an attempt to try and
narrow down the address that is causing this ...
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Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org)
Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org
Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
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* Re: Please ignore ...
2008-05-01 04:16 Please ignore ... Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>
@ 2008-05-01 05:23 ` D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net>
2008-05-01 06:55 ` Re: Please ignore ... Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com>
2008-05-01 07:21 ` Re: Please ignore ... Justin <justin@emproshunts.com>
2 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: D'Arcy J.M. Cain @ 2008-05-01 05:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>; +Cc: pgsql-performance
On Thu, 01 May 2008 01:16:00 -0300
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org> wrote:
> Someone on this list has one of those 'confirm your email' filters on their
Argh! Why do people think that it is OK to make their spam problem
everyone else's problem? Whenever I see one of those I simply
blackhole the server sending them.
People, please, I know the spam you get isn't your fault but it isn't my
fault either. You clean up your mailbox and I'll clean up mine.
--
D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net> | Democracy is three wolves
http://www.druid.net/darcy/ | and a sheep voting on
+1 416 425 1212 (DoD#0082) (eNTP) | what's for dinner.
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* Re: Please ignore ...
2008-05-01 04:16 Please ignore ... Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>
2008-05-01 05:23 ` Re: Please ignore ... D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net>
@ 2008-05-01 06:55 ` Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com>
2008-05-01 07:35 ` Re: Please ignore ... Tino Wildenhain <tino@wildenhain.de>
2008-05-01 12:35 ` Re: Please ignore ... D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net>
1 sibling, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Greg Smith @ 2008-05-01 06:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net>; +Cc: Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>; pgsql-performance
On Thu, 1 May 2008, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
> Whenever I see one of those I simply blackhole the server sending them.
Ah, the ever popular vigilante spam method. What if the message is coming
from, say, gmail.com, and it's getting routed so that you're not sure
which account is originating it? Do you blackhole everybody on *that*
server just because there's one idiot?
This is the same problem on a smaller scale. It's not clear which account
is reponsible, and I believe I saw that there are other people using the
same ISP who also subscribe to the list. That's why Marc is testing who
the guilty party is rather than unsubscribing everyone there.
--
* Greg Smith gsmith@gregsmith.com http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD
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* Re: Please ignore ...
2008-05-01 04:16 Please ignore ... Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>
2008-05-01 05:23 ` Re: Please ignore ... D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net>
2008-05-01 06:55 ` Re: Please ignore ... Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com>
@ 2008-05-01 07:35 ` Tino Wildenhain <tino@wildenhain.de>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Tino Wildenhain @ 2008-05-01 07:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com>; +Cc: D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net>; Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>; pgsql-performance
Hi all the ignorers, ;)
Greg Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 1 May 2008, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
>
>> Whenever I see one of those I simply blackhole the server sending them.
>
> Ah, the ever popular vigilante spam method. What if the message is
> coming from, say, gmail.com, and it's getting routed so that you're not
> sure which account is originating it? Do you blackhole everybody on
> *that* server just because there's one idiot?
>
> This is the same problem on a smaller scale. It's not clear which
> account is reponsible, and I believe I saw that there are other people
> using the same ISP who also subscribe to the list. That's why Marc is
> testing who the guilty party is rather than unsubscribing everyone there.
yes, blackholing is bad as well as accepting everything and then sending
out errors. Unfortunaly, email resembles the ideas of the decade when it
was invented (freedom of speach over regulating) so security is only
available as ad on. I wish however everybody would go by cryptography,
meaning in our case the sender signs and the list checks (1) and also
the list signs (2) when sending out, which makes it easy to check for
the receiver if to accept the mail or decline in band...
Cheers
Tino
PS: happy 1st of may :-)
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* Re: Please ignore ...
2008-05-01 04:16 Please ignore ... Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>
2008-05-01 05:23 ` Re: Please ignore ... D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net>
2008-05-01 06:55 ` Re: Please ignore ... Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com>
@ 2008-05-01 12:35 ` D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: D'Arcy J.M. Cain @ 2008-05-01 12:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com>; +Cc: Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>; pgsql-performance
On Thu, 1 May 2008 02:55:10 -0400 (EDT)
Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 May 2008, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
>
> > Whenever I see one of those I simply blackhole the server sending them.
>
> Ah, the ever popular vigilante spam method. What if the message is coming
> from, say, gmail.com, and it's getting routed so that you're not sure
> which account is originating it? Do you blackhole everybody on *that*
> server just because there's one idiot?
Well, I actually do block gmail groups on another list that is
gatewayed to a newsgroup due to the volume of spam that originates from
there but in this case my experience has been that it is done by a
service. For example, I reject all email from spamarrest.com. There
is nothing I want to see from them.
> This is the same problem on a smaller scale. It's not clear which account
> is reponsible, and I believe I saw that there are other people using the
> same ISP who also subscribe to the list. That's why Marc is testing who
> the guilty party is rather than unsubscribing everyone there.
Of course. If someone is running it on a server independent of the ISP
that's a different story. However, it is pretty hard to run that code
on most ISPs without the cooperation of the ISP. That's why there are
companies like SpamArrest. People who run their own server and are in
a position to do this themself tend to also be smart enough to
understand why it is a bad idea.
On the other hand, this type of thing is no different than spam and in
this day and age every ISP, no matter how big, has a responsibility to
deal with spammers on their own system and if they don't they deserve
to be blocked just like any other spam-friendly system.
The fact that Marc has to run this test and does not immediately know
who the guilty party is suggests to me that they are using a service. I
never saw the offending message myself so perhaps it is coming from
SpamArrest and I just rejected the email on my SMTP server.
--
D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net> | Democracy is three wolves
http://www.druid.net/darcy/ | and a sheep voting on
+1 416 425 1212 (DoD#0082) (eNTP) | what's for dinner.
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* Re: Please ignore ...
2008-05-01 04:16 Please ignore ... Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>
2008-05-01 05:23 ` Re: Please ignore ... D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net>
@ 2008-05-01 07:21 ` Justin <justin@emproshunts.com>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Justin @ 2008-05-01 07:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net>; +Cc: Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>; pgsql-performance
D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
> On Thu, 01 May 2008 01:16:00 -0300
> "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org> wrote:
>
>> Someone on this list has one of those 'confirm your email' filters on their
>>
>
> Argh! Why do people think that it is OK to make their spam problem
> everyone else's problem? Whenever I see one of those I simply
> blackhole the server sending them.
>
> People, please, I know the spam you get isn't your fault but it isn't my
> fault either. You clean up your mailbox and I'll clean up mine.
>
>
I second that completely
We use http://www.commtouch.com/
which is built into GMS along with black holes
When they added commtouch to the server our spam went to maybe 2 to 5
spam messages a day per mailbox with only a handful of false positives
over the past 2 years.
Now if i can get them to dump MySQL as the backend
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* Re: Please ignore ...
2008-05-01 04:16 Please ignore ... Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>
@ 2008-05-02 14:29 ` Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
2 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2008-05-02 14:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>; +Cc: pgsql-performance
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> Someone on this list has one of those 'confirm your email' filters on their
> mailbox, which is bouncing back messages ... this is an attempt to try and
> narrow down the address that is causing this ...
Did you find out?
--
Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
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* Re: Please ignore ...
2008-05-01 04:16 Please ignore ... Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>
@ 2008-05-16 21:03 ` Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com>
2 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2008-05-16 21:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>; +Cc: pgsql-performance
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> Someone on this list has one of those 'confirm your email' filters on their
> mailbox, which is bouncing back messages ... this is an attempt to try and
> narrow down the address that is causing this ...
So it seems you're still unable to determine the problematic address?
--
Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
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