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From: Greg Smith <greg@2ndquadrant.com>
To: Fernando Hevia <fhevia@ip-tel.com.ar>
Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: new server I/O setup
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:46:26 -0500
Message-ID: <4B500132.6050203@2ndquadrant.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3CD96C0AB4114484BFE358A3EDE61C01@iptel.com.ar>
References: <3CD96C0AB4114484BFE358A3EDE61C01@iptel.com.ar>

Fernando Hevia wrote:
> I justified my first choice in that WAL writes are sequentially and OS 
> pretty much are too, so a RAID 1 probably would hold ground against a 
> 12 disc RAID 10 with random writes.

The problem with this theory is that when PostgreSQL does WAL writes and 
asks to sync the data, you'll probably discover all of the open OS 
writes that were sitting in the Linux write cache getting flushed before 
that happens.  And that could lead to horrible performance--good luck if 
the database tries to do something after cron kicks off updatedb each 
night for example.

I think there are two viable configurations you should be considering 
you haven't thought about:
, but neither is quite what you're looking at:

2 discs in RAID 1 for OS
2 discs in RAID 1 for pg_xlog
10 discs in RAID 10 for postgres, ext3
2 spares.

14 discs in RAID 10 for everything
2 spares.

Impossible to say which of the four possibilities here will work out 
better.  I tend to lean toward the first one I listed above because it 
makes it very easy to monitor the pg_xlog activity (and the non-database 
activity) separately from everything else, and having no other writes 
going on makes it very unlikely that the pg_xlog will ever become a 
bottleneck.  But if you've got 14 disks in there, it's unlikely to be a 
bottleneck anyway.  The second config above will get you slightly better 
random I/O though, so for workloads that are really limited on that 
there's a good reason to prefer it.

Also:  the whole "use ext2 for the pg_xlog" idea is overrated far as I'm 
concerned.  I start with ext3, and only if I get evidence that the drive 
is a bottleneck do I ever think of reverting to unjournaled writes just 
to get a little speed boost.  In practice I suspect you'll see no 
benchmark difference, and will instead curse the decision the first time 
your server is restarted badly and it gets stuck at fsck.

> Pd: any clue if hdparm works to deactive the disks write cache even if 
> they are behind the 3ware controller?

You don't use hdparm for that sort of thing; you need to use 3ware's 
tw_cli utility.  I believe that the individual drive caches are always 
disabled, but whether the controller cache is turned on or not depends 
on whether the card has a battery.  The behavior here is kind of weird 
though--it changes if you're in RAID mode vs. JBOD mode, so be careful 
to look at what all the settings are.  Some of these 3ware cards default 
to extremely aggressive background scanning for bad blocks too, you 
might have to tweak that downward too.

-- 
Greg Smith    2ndQuadrant   Baltimore, MD
PostgreSQL Training, Services and Support
greg@2ndQuadrant.com  www.2ndQuadrant.com

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