From: Mats Olsen <mats@duneanalytics.com>
To: Sebastian Dressler <sebastian@swarm64.com>
Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org <pgsql-performance@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: Query Performance / Planner estimate off
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 16:42:02 +0200
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On 10/21/20 2:38 PM, Sebastian Dressler wrote:
> Hi Mats,
>
>> On 20. Oct 2020, at 11:37, Mats Julian Olsen <mats@duneanalytics.com
>> <mailto:mats@duneanalytics.com>> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> 1) Vanilla plan (16 min) : https://explain.depesz.com/s/NvDR
>> <https://explain.depesz.com/s/NvDR;
>> 2) enable_nestloop=off (4 min): https://explain.depesz.com/s/buKK
>> <https://explain.depesz.com/s/buKK;
>> 3) enable_nestloop=off; enable_seqscan=off (2 min):
>> https://explain.depesz.com/s/0WXx <https://explain.depesz.com/s/0WXx;
>>
>> How can I get Postgres not to loop over 12M rows?
>
> I looked at the plans and your config and there are some thoughts I'm
> having:
>
> - The row estimate is off, as you possibly noticed. This can be
> possibly solved by raising `default_statistics_target` to e.g. 2500
> (we typically use that) and run ANALYZE
I've `set default_statistics_target=2500` and ran analyze on both tables
involved, unfortunately the plan is the same. The columns we use for
joining here are hashes and we expect very few duplicates in the tables.
Hence I think extended statistics (storing most common values and
histogram bounds) aren't useful for this kind of data. Would you say the
same thing?
>
> - I however think that the misestimate might be caused by the
> evt_tx_hash being of type bytea. I believe that PG cannot estimate
> this very well for JOINs and will rather pick row numbers too low.
> Hence the nested loop is picked and there might be no way around this.
> I have experienced similar things when applying JOINs on VARCHAR with
> e.g. more than 3 fields for comparison.
This is very interesting, and I have never heard of issues with using
`bytea` for joins. Our entire database is filled with them, as we deal
with hashes of different lengths. In fact I would estimate that 60% of
columns are bytea's. My intuition would say that it's better to store
the hashes as byte arrays, rather than `text` fields as you can compare
the raw bytes directly without encoding first? Do you have any
references for this?
Alternatively, since I know the length of the hashes in advance, I
could've used `varchar(n)`, but I don't think there's any gains to be
had in postgres by doing that? Something like `bytea(n)` would also have
been interesting, had postgres been able to exploit that information.
> - Other things to look into:
>
> - work_mem seems too low to me with 56MB, consider raising this to
> the GB range to avoid disk-based operations
> - min_parallel_table_scan_size - try 0
> - parallel_setup_cost (default 1000, maybe try 500)
> - parallel_tuple_cost (default 1.0, maybe try 0.1)
> - random_page_cost (as mentioned consider raising this maybe much
> higher, factor 10 or sth like this) or (typically) seq_page_cost can
> be possibly much lower (0.1, 0.01) depending on your storage
I've tried various settings of these parameters now, and unfortunately
the only parameter that alters the query plan is the last one
(random_page_cost), which also has the side effect of (almost) forcing
sequential scans for most queries as far as I understand? Our storage is
Google Cloud pd-ssd.
Thank you so much for you response, I'm looking forward to keep the
discussion going.
>
> I hope this helps to get to a parallel plan without setting
> `nested_loop = off`. EXPLAIN should be enough already to see the
> difference.
>
> Best,
> Sebastian
>
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>
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Best,
Mats
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