From: Greg Smith <gsmith@gregsmith.com>
To: Franck Routier <franck.routier@axege.com>
Cc: pgsql-performance <pgsql-performance@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: 12 disks raid setup
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:41:08 -0500 (EST)
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Franck Routier wrote:
> my Raid controller is an Adaptec 31205 SAS/RAID controller. The battery
> was an option, but I didn't know it at purchase time. So I have no
> battery, but the whole system is on an UPS.
The UPS is of no help here. The problem is that PostgreSQL forces the
disk controller to commit WAL writes to disk after every transaction. If
you have a controller with a battery-backed cache, you can use that cache
to buffer those writes and dramatically increase write performance. The
USP doesn't give you the same write guarantees. Let's say someone trips
over the server power cord (simplest example of a whole class of
failures). With the BBC controller, the cached writes will get committed
when you plug the server back in. If all you've got is a UPS, writes that
didn't make it to disk before the outage are lost. That means you can't
buffer those writes without risking database corruption.
The general guideline here is that if you don't have a battery-backed
cache on your controller, based on disk rotation speed you'll be limited
to around 100 (7200 RPM) to 200 (15K RPM) commits/second per single
client, with each commit facing around a 2-4ms delay. That rises to
perhaps 500/s total with lots of clients. BBC configurations can easily
clear 3000/s total and individual commits don't have that couple of ms
delay.
> So in fact I think I will use md raid, but still don't know with which
> layout (3x4 or 1x12).
The only real downside of md RAID is that if you lose the boot device it
can be tricky to get the system to start again; hardware RAID hides that
little detail from the BIOS. Make sure you simulate a failure of the
primary boot drive and are comfortable with recovering from that situation
before you go into production with md.
The only way to know which layout will work better is to have a lot of
knowledge of this application and how it bottlenecks under load. If you
know, for example, that there's a particular set of tables/indexes that
are critical to real-time users, whereas others are only used by batch
operations, things like that can be used to figure out how to optimize
disk layout. If you don't know your database to that level, put
everything into one big array and forget about it; you won't do any better
than that.
> What would you suggest as a benchmarking method ? Simply issue a few big
> queries that I expect to be usual and see how long it last, or is there
> a more convinient and or "scientific" method ?
Benchmarking is hard and you have to use a whole array of tests if you
want to quantify the many aspects of performance. You're doing the right
thing using bonnie++ to quantify disk speed. If you've got some typical
queries, using those to fine-tune postgresql.conf parameters is a good
idea; just make sure to set shared_buffers, estimated_cache_size, and run
ANALYZE on your tables. Be careful to note performance differences when
the cache is already filled with data from previous runs. Measuring
write/commit performance is probably easiest using pgbench.
--
* Greg Smith gsmith@gregsmith.com http://www.gregsmith.com Baltimore, MD
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