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From: Pierre C <lists@peufeu.com>
To: Scott Carey <scott@richrelevance.com>
To: Craig James <craig_james@emolecules.com>
Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org <pgsql-performance@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: Block at a time ...
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:55:27 +0100
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>> This is one of the more-or-less solved problems in Unix/Linux.  Ext*  
>> file systems have a "reserve" usually of 10% of the disk space that  
>> nobody except root can use.  It's not for root, it's because with 10%  
>> of the disk free, you can almost always do a decent job of allocating  
>> contiguous blocks and get good performance.  Unless Postgres has some  
>> weird problem that Linux has never seen before (and that wouldn't be  
>> unprecedented...), there's probably no need to fool with  
>> file-allocation strategies.
>>
>> Craig
>
> Its fairly easy to break.  Just do a parallel import with say, 16  
> concurrent tables being written to at once.  Result?  Fragmented tables.

Delayed allocation (ext4, XFS) helps a lot for concurrent writing at a  
medium-high rate (a few megabytes per second and up) when lots of data can  
sit in the cache and be flushed/allocated as big contiguous chunks. I'm  
pretty sure ext4/XFS would pass your parallel import test.

However if you have files like tables (and indexes) or logs that grow  
slowly over time (something like a few megabytes per hour or less), after  
a few days/weeks/months, horrible fragmentation is an almost guaranteed  
result on many filesystems (NTFS being perhaps the absolute worst).




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