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From: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
To: Samuel Gendler <sgendler@ideasculptor.com>
Cc: Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule@gmail.com>
Cc: Eyal Wilde <eyal@impactsoft.co.il>
Cc: pgsql-sql@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: a strange order by behavior
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:49:09 -0400
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Samuel Gendler <sgendler@ideasculptor.com> writes:
> Interesting.  The original thread to which I was referring has a subject of
> "Sorting Issue" and the original request showed a list of vehicle model
> names which were sorting as though there were no spaces. The user had
> collation set to en_US.UTF-8.  However, my database (on OS X) sorts both his
> example and the example that started this thread correctly, despite my
> lc_collate being set to the same value.

OS X's support for comparisons in UTF-8 locales is widely understood
to be broken.  In general, as you've found out, there's little
compatibility in sort order across platforms; but OS X is just
completely unlike other modern Unixoid platforms.  I would not take it
as the definition of "correct".

AFAIK, if you're looking for strict character-by-character sorting
rather than those weird "dictionary" rules, C locale (a/k/a POSIX
locale) is your only choice, and you have to put up with the odd sort
order you will get for all non-ASCII characters.  In principle a locale
could be defined that does character-by-character but does something
reasonable with non-ASCII; but none of the major platforms seem to offer
one.

Also, just to be perfectly clear: this is not Postgres' fault, it's
just sorting the way strcoll() says to.  You'll get the same sort
order from the command-line sort(1) program, if you feed it the same
data in the same locale environment.

			regards, tom lane



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