From: Herouth Maoz <herouth@oumail.openu.ac.il>
To: jwieck@debis.com
Cc: pgsql-sql@postgreSQL.org
Subject: Re: [SQL] Order by
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:06:53 +0300
Message-ID: <l03130304b37add804973@[147.233.159.109]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m10p8Wq-0003kGC@orion.SAPserv.Hamburg.dsh.de>
References: <l03130302b37aaa3d3da3@[147.233.159.109]>
At 13:45 +0300 on 02/06/1999, Jan Wieck wrote:
> That's all right and I'm not going to allow this just for the
> ORDER BY. It will be enabled as kind of a side effect.
> Because view's can have a GROUP BY clause, the
> rewriter/planner must be able to produce plans where
> different left-/righttrees have their own grouping. Grouping
> requires a sort and thus sorting of subplans must be
> supported.
>
> Why should we deny ORDER BY on views explicitly?
The SQL92 standard, if I read it right, defines the view by a "query
expression", which in its turn relies on "query specification", which in
turn relies on "table expression", which does not include ORDER BY.
In short, ORDER BY is not part of the query syntax used in the definition
of views, because order is meaningless in views.
The basic idea is that we should get the same results if we use standard
SQL whether we run on PostgreSQL or on Oracle. So, one may write an
application which selects the data from the view, and relies on the order
in the view for something (like grouping). The same program won't work in
any other database system, because you simply can't make that assumption
without adding 'ORDER BY' to your actual query.
Herouth
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Herouth Maoz, Internet developer.
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