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* An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-01 20:20  Tom Lane <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 39+ messages in thread

From: Tom Lane @ 2008-03-01 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: pgsql-www

I present for your consideration an example of what Apple is appending to
lists.apple.com traffic these days:

	 _______________________________________________
	Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.
	X11-users mailing list      ([email protected])
	Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/x11-users/tgl%40sss.pgh.pa.us
	
	This email sent to [email protected]

(This is in addition to List-Unsubscribe and the other standard headers.)

I don't know whether the mail software we use can cope with customizing
trailers per-user like this.  But if it can, I submit that an
unmistakable how-to-unsubscribe link would be lots more useful than the
TIPS are.

			regards, tom lane



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-01 21:04  Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
  parent: Tom Lane <[email protected]>
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 39+ messages in thread

From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2008-03-01 21:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www

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On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:20:23 -0500
Tom Lane <[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't know whether the mail software we use can cope with
> customizing trailers per-user like this.  But if it can, I submit
> that an unmistakable how-to-unsubscribe link would be lots more
> useful than the TIPS are.

+1

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-02 03:30  Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  parent: Tom Lane <[email protected]>
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 39+ messages in thread

From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-03-02 03:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

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Done, almost ... can't do it "per user", since Majordomo sends out messasges in 
batches, not one per individual user, *unless* delivery has failed at which 
point it starts sending out individual messages for that particular user so 
that it can count 'bounces' ...

But, I have it showing hte same URL we have on the archives itself ...

In theory, it should show up on this message as such ...

- --On Saturday, March 01, 2008 15:20:23 -0500 Tom Lane <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I present for your consideration an example of what Apple is appending to
> lists.apple.com traffic these days:
>
> 	 _______________________________________________
> 	Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.
> 	X11-users mailing list      ([email protected])
> 	Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/x11-users/tgl%40sss.pgh.pa.us 	
> 	This email sent to [email protected]
>
> (This is in addition to List-Unsubscribe and the other standard headers.)
>
> I don't know whether the mail software we use can cope with customizing
> trailers per-user like this.  But if it can, I submit that an
> unmistakable how-to-unsubscribe link would be lots more useful than the
> TIPS are.
>
> 			regards, tom lane
>
> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
> TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to
>        choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not
>        match



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-02 04:58  Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
  parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2008-03-02 04:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

Marc G. Fournier wrote:

> Done, almost ... can't do it "per user", since Majordomo sends out messasges in 
> batches, not one per individual user, *unless* delivery has failed at which 
> point it starts sending out individual messages for that particular user so 
> that it can count 'bounces' ...

Can we have the TIP start with "-- " on a line by itself?  That would
help email clients to mark it as a signature.

I tried on pgsql-es-ayuda, but I noticed that it removed the trailing
blank, which is significant :-(

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The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-02 05:12  Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  parent: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-03-02 05:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

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Example of what you mean?


- --On Sunday, March 02, 2008 01:58:34 -0300 Alvaro Herrera 
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
>> Done, almost ... can't do it "per user", since Majordomo sends out messasges
>> in  batches, not one per individual user, *unless* delivery has failed at
>> which  point it starts sending out individual messages for that particular
>> user so  that it can count 'bounces' ...
>
> Can we have the TIP start with "-- " on a line by itself?  That would
> help email clients to mark it as a signature.
>
> I tried on pgsql-es-ayuda, but I noticed that it removed the trailing
> blank, which is significant :-(
>
> --
> Alvaro Herrera                                http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
> The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-02 05:25  Tom Lane <[email protected]>
  parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Tom Lane @ 2008-03-02 05:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

"Marc G. Fournier" <[email protected]> writes:
> Example of what you mean?

I think Alvaro's point is that the traditional standard divider line for
signature-like stuff is "-- ".  Two dashes, one space, not more nor
less.  Right now we're using
"---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------"
You can be sure there is no software anywhere in the world that
recognizes that as a divider line.

			regards, tom lane



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-02 05:48  Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  parent: Tom Lane <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-03-02 05:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

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Hrmmm, I think there is a limitation on the footer, but ... try his one ...

- --On Sunday, March 02, 2008 00:25:12 -0500 Tom Lane <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Marc G. Fournier" <[email protected]> writes:
>> Example of what you mean?
>
> I think Alvaro's point is that the traditional standard divider line for
> signature-like stuff is "-- ".  Two dashes, one space, not more nor
> less.  Right now we're using
> "---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------"
> You can be sure there is no software anywhere in the world that
> recognizes that as a divider line.
>
> 			regards, tom lane



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-02 05:57  Tom Lane <[email protected]>
  parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Tom Lane @ 2008-03-02 05:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

"Marc G. Fournier" <[email protected]> writes:
> Hrmmm, I think there is a limitation on the footer, but ... try his one ...

I got one dash and no space ...

			regards, tom lane



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-02 06:06  Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  parent: Tom Lane <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 39+ messages in thread

From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-03-02 06:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

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this may not be possible, but if "-- " generates just one dash,let's try "--- " 
and see if that makes a difference ...

- --On Sunday, March 02, 2008 00:57:02 -0500 Tom Lane <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Marc G. Fournier" <[email protected]> writes:
>> Hrmmm, I think there is a limitation on the footer, but ... try his one ...
>
> I got one dash and no space ...
>
> 			regards, tom lane



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-02 06:18  Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 39+ messages in thread

From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-03-02 06:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

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'k, can't seem to do anything about the space at the end ... its stripping 
those off in the code itself

- --On Sunday, March 02, 2008 02:06:16 -0400 "Marc G. Fournier"
<[email protected]> 
wrote:

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> this may not be possible, but if "-- " generates just one dash,let's try "---
> "  and see if that makes a difference ...
>
> - --On Sunday, March 02, 2008 00:57:02 -0500 Tom Lane <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> "Marc G. Fournier" <[email protected]> writes:
>>> Hrmmm, I think there is a limitation on the footer, but ... try his one ...
>>
>> I got one dash and no space ...
>>
>> 			regards, tom lane
>
>
>
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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-02 06:21  Tom Lane <[email protected]>
  parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 39+ messages in thread

From: Tom Lane @ 2008-03-02 06:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

"Marc G. Fournier" <[email protected]> writes:
> this may not be possible, but if "-- " generates just one dash,let's try "--- " 
> and see if that makes a difference ...

Hm, two dashes and no space ... better, certainly, but not perfect.

			regards, tom lane



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-02 14:30  Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>
  parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Greg Sabino Mullane @ 2008-03-02 14:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: pgsql-www


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> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.
> pgsql-www mailing list ([email protected])
> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
>  http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr?domain=postgresql.org&extra=pgsql-www

The first line is, in my opinion, both obscure and rude. I doubt most
ordinary readers of our mailing list know exactly what an "admin request" is.
They may even think it has something to do with admin-ing Postgres itself.
It certainly will sound odd on the pgsql-admin list. :)

The link provided should be shorter: a http redirect would do that quite
nicely. Additionally, the above link does not work, and only brings you to
a generic page for all mailing lists at postgresql.org. Perhaps this one?:

http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr/domain=postgresql.org?func=lists-long-full&extra=pgsql-g...

If we are replacing the sig, I'd recommend something like this:

--
Sent from the [email protected] mailing list.
To unsubscribe or change your settings, please visit
http://postgresql.org/lists/pgsql-general
or email [email protected]




--
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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-02 15:29  Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
  parent: Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2008-03-02 15:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www

On Sun,  2 Mar 2008 14:30:49 -0000
"Greg Sabino Mullane" <[email protected]> wrote:

> http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr/domain=postgresql.org?func=lists-long-full&extra=pgsql-g...
> 
> If we are replacing the sig, I'd recommend something like this:
> 
> --
> Sent from the [email protected] mailing list.
> To unsubscribe or change your settings, please visit
> http://postgresql.org/lists/pgsql-general
> or email [email protected]
> 

I would remove the comment about majordomo-owner as a whole. Email the
address what?

Joshua D. Drake



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-02 15:33  Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>
  parent: Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Greg Sabino Mullane @ 2008-03-02 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: pgsql-www


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From: "Joshua D. Drake" <[email protected]>

>> If we are replacing the sig, I'd recommend something like this:
>>
>> --
>> Sent from the [email protected] mailing list.
>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, please visit
>> http://postgresql.org/lists/pgsql-general
>> or email [email protected]


> I would remove the comment about majordomo-owner as a whole. Email
> the address what?

Unsubscribe requests, problems, etc. Unless we are now at the point
where we are comfortable assuming that everyone has web access.

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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-02 16:20  Tom Lane <[email protected]>
  parent: Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 39+ messages in thread

From: Tom Lane @ 2008-03-02 16:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www

"Greg Sabino Mullane" <[email protected]> writes:
> From: "Joshua D. Drake" <[email protected]>
>> I would remove the comment about majordomo-owner as a whole. Email
>> the address what?

+1

> Unsubscribe requests, problems, etc. Unless we are now at the point
> where we are comfortable assuming that everyone has web access.

The List-foo headers already provide that info for anyone who's truly
web-disabled.  I agree with JD that that's got to be a tiny minority.

I would go with something like this:

--
Sent via pgsql-www mailing list ([email protected])
Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr?domain=postgresql.org&extra=pgsql-www

BTW, I don't find that there's anything wrong with that link, whereas
the one suggested by Greg gives me a 404.

			regards, tom lane



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-02 16:55  Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  parent: Tom Lane <[email protected]>
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 39+ messages in thread

From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-03-02 16:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www

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Change made as written below ...

- --On Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:20:50 -0500 Tom Lane <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Greg Sabino Mullane" <[email protected]> writes:
>> From: "Joshua D. Drake" <[email protected]>
>>> I would remove the comment about majordomo-owner as a whole. Email
>>> the address what?
>
> +1
>
>> Unsubscribe requests, problems, etc. Unless we are now at the point
>> where we are comfortable assuming that everyone has web access.
>
> The List-foo headers already provide that info for anyone who's truly
> web-disabled.  I agree with JD that that's got to be a tiny minority.
>
> I would go with something like this:
>
> --
> Sent via pgsql-www mailing list ([email protected])
> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
> http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr?domain=postgresql.org&extra=pgsql-www
>
> BTW, I don't find that there's anything wrong with that link, whereas
> the one suggested by Greg gives me a 404.
>
> 			regards, tom lane
>
> --
> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.
> pgsql-www mailing list ([email protected])
> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
>
> http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr?domain=postgresql.org&extra=pgsql-www



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-02 23:17  Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
  parent: Tom Lane <[email protected]>
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2008-03-02 23:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; +Cc: Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

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On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:20:50 -0500
Tom Lane <[email protected]> wrote:

> --
> Sent via pgsql-www mailing list ([email protected])
> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
> http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr?domain=postgresql.org&extra=pgsql-www
> 
> BTW, I don't find that there's anything wrong with that link, whereas
> the one suggested by Greg gives me a 404.

This is the actual link (if we are going to use the main site):

http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/subscribe

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-02 23:34  Dave Page <[email protected]>
  parent: Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Dave Page @ 2008-03-02 23:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

And this time for the list :-)

I'm not sure about 'subscribe' but 'unsubscribe' in a message causes
it to be held for moderation. We should check (and stop) that if
adding 'subscribe' to the footers, otherwise we'll have to start
moderating replies!


On 3/2/08, Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> wrote:
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> On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:20:50 -0500
> Tom Lane <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > --
> > Sent via pgsql-www mailing list ([email protected])
> > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
> >
> http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr?domain=postgresql.org&extra=pgsql-www
> >
> > BTW, I don't find that there's anything wrong with that link, whereas
> > the one suggested by Greg gives me a 404.
>
> This is the actual link (if we are going to use the main site):
>
> http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/subscribe
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Joshua D. Drake
>
> - --
> The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/
> PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/
> Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
> PostgreSQL SPI Liaison | SPI Director |  PostgreSQL political pundit
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> --
> Sent via pgsql-www mailing list ([email protected])
> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
> http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr?domain=postgresql.org&extra=pgsql-www
>


-- 
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EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com
PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-03 00:01  Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  parent: Dave Page <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-03-03 00:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

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Good catch ... changed to "To make canges to your Subscription", which 
shouldn't catch anything, I don't believe ... this is the current list that we 
trap based on:

configset GLOBAL admin_body <<ENDAAB
/^accept$/i
/^reject$/i
/\badd me\b/i
/\bdelete me\b/i
/\bremove\s+me\b/i
/\bchange\b.*\baddress\b/
/\bsignoff\b/i
/\bsubscribe\b/i
/^sub\b/i
/\bunsubscribe\b/i
/^unsub\b/i
/^\s*help\s*$/i
/^\s*info\s*$/i
/^\s*info\s+\S+\s*$/i
/^\s*lists\s*$/i
/^\s*which\s*$/i
/^\s*which\s+\S+\s*$/i
/^\s*index\s*$/i
/^\s*index\s+\S+\s*$/i
/^\s*who\s*$/i
/^\s*who\s+\S+\s*$/i
/^\s*get\s+\S+\s*$/i
/^\s*get\s+\S+\s+\S+\s*$/i
/^\s*approve\b/i
/^\s*passwd\b/i
/^\s*newinfo\b/i
/^\s*newconfig\b/i
/^\s*writeconfig\b/i
/^\s*mkdigest\b/i
ENDAAB


- --On Sunday, March 02, 2008 23:34:48 +0000 Dave Page <[email protected]> wrote:

> And this time for the list :-)
>
> I'm not sure about 'subscribe' but 'unsubscribe' in a message causes
> it to be held for moderation. We should check (and stop) that if
> adding 'subscribe' to the footers, otherwise we'll have to start
> moderating replies!
>
>
> On 3/2/08, Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>
>> On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:20:50 -0500
>> Tom Lane <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > --
>> > Sent via pgsql-www mailing list ([email protected])
>> > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
>> >
>> http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr?domain=postgresql.org&extra=pgsql-www
>> >
>> > BTW, I don't find that there's anything wrong with that link, whereas
>> > the one suggested by Greg gives me a 404.
>>
>> This is the actual link (if we are going to use the main site):
>>
>> http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/subscribe
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Joshua D. Drake
>>
>> - --
>> The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/
>> PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/
>> Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
>> PostgreSQL SPI Liaison | SPI Director |  PostgreSQL political pundit
>>
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>> --
>> Sent via pgsql-www mailing list ([email protected])
>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
>> http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr?domain=postgresql.org&extra=pgsql-www
>>
>
>
> --
> Dave Page
> EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com
> PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk
>
> --
> Sent via pgsql-www mailing list ([email protected])
> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
> http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr?domain=postgresql.org&extra=pgsql-www



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-03 14:42  Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
  parent: Tom Lane <[email protected]>
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2008-03-03 14:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; +Cc: Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

Tom Lane wrote:

> Sent via pgsql-www mailing list ([email protected])
> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
> http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr?domain=postgresql.org&extra=pgsql-www
> 
> BTW, I don't find that there's anything wrong with that link, whereas
> the one suggested by Greg gives me a 404.

The bit that's wrong about this URL is that it's not specific to the
pgsql-www list -- it's a general form for all lists; the "extra=foo"
stuff is being ignored.  I don't understand why you got a 404 for Greg's
URL.  Are you sure you didn't mis-paste it?  I tried on a private web
session to make sure there are no cookies or open sessions, at it works
well for me.  It can also be made shorter easily (because we don't use
the virtual domain stuff):

http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr/?func=lists-long-full&extra=pgsql-www

-- 
Alvaro Herrera                                http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-03 15:22  Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
  parent: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 39+ messages in thread

From: Magnus Hagander @ 2008-03-03 15:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 11:42:02AM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Tom Lane wrote:
> 
> > Sent via pgsql-www mailing list ([email protected])
> > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
> > http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr?domain=postgresql.org&extra=pgsql-www
> > 
> > BTW, I don't find that there's anything wrong with that link, whereas
> > the one suggested by Greg gives me a 404.
> 
> The bit that's wrong about this URL is that it's not specific to the
> pgsql-www list -- it's a general form for all lists; the "extra=foo"
> stuff is being ignored.  I don't understand why you got a 404 for Greg's
> URL.  Are you sure you didn't mis-paste it?  I tried on a private web
> session to make sure there are no cookies or open sessions, at it works
> well for me.  It can also be made shorter easily (because we don't use
> the virtual domain stuff):
> 
> http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr/?func=lists-long-full&extra=pgsql-www

At the risk of giving myself more work ;-), perhaps we should refer to some
place on our main website that just does a redirect? That'll at least look
prettier for the user. Something like
http://wwwmaster.postgresql.org/unsub?pgsql-www or like that? Hmm. Maybe
it's not all that much nicer looking...

//Magnus



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-03 15:27  Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
  parent: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2008-03-03 15:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

Magnus Hagander wrote:

> > http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr/?func=lists-long-full&extra=pgsql-www
> 
> At the risk of giving myself more work ;-), perhaps we should refer to some
> place on our main website that just does a redirect? That'll at least look
> prettier for the user. Something like
> http://wwwmaster.postgresql.org/unsub?pgsql-www or like that? Hmm. Maybe
> it's not all that much nicer looking...

Well, if you can make it so that 

http://wwwmaster.postgresql.org/unsubscribe/pgsql-www 

redirects to the URL above, it does seem a lot better.

Perhaps rather than "unsubscribe" we should use something like
"list-settings" etc, because the page does some more stuff than just
unsub.

-- 
Alvaro Herrera                                http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-03 15:31  Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
  parent: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Magnus Hagander @ 2008-03-03 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 12:27:20PM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Magnus Hagander wrote:
> 
> > > http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr/?func=lists-long-full&extra=pgsql-www
> > 
> > At the risk of giving myself more work ;-), perhaps we should refer to some
> > place on our main website that just does a redirect? That'll at least look
> > prettier for the user. Something like
> > http://wwwmaster.postgresql.org/unsub?pgsql-www or like that? Hmm. Maybe
> > it's not all that much nicer looking...
> 
> Well, if you can make it so that 
> 
> http://wwwmaster.postgresql.org/unsubscribe/pgsql-www 
> 
> redirects to the URL above, it does seem a lot better.
> 
> Perhaps rather than "unsubscribe" we should use something like
> "list-settings" etc, because the page does some more stuff than just
> unsub.

That should be doable with a .htaccess rule for mod_rewrite, so it's then
trivial. 

But even if you can't do it with mod_rewrite, we could do it with some
custom PHP, with a bit more work.

So - absolutely doable, once we decide where we want it to go.

//Magnus



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-03 15:51  Tom Lane <[email protected]>
  parent: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Tom Lane @ 2008-03-03 15:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> writes:
> So - absolutely doable, once we decide where we want it to go.

+1 for a more readable link.  I don't much care what it is exactly,
but would suggest not exposing "wwwmaster" or anything that is part
of the website's internal infrastructure.

			regards, tom lane



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-03 16:00  Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
  parent: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Bruce Momjian @ 2008-03-03 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

Magnus Hagander wrote:
> > The bit that's wrong about this URL is that it's not specific to the
> > pgsql-www list -- it's a general form for all lists; the "extra=foo"
> > stuff is being ignored.  I don't understand why you got a 404 for Greg's
> > URL.  Are you sure you didn't mis-paste it?  I tried on a private web
> > session to make sure there are no cookies or open sessions, at it works
> > well for me.  It can also be made shorter easily (because we don't use
> > the virtual domain stuff):
> > 
> > http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr/?func=lists-long-full&extra=pgsql-www
> 
> At the risk of giving myself more work ;-), perhaps we should refer to some
> place on our main website that just does a redirect? That'll at least look
> prettier for the user. Something like
> http://wwwmaster.postgresql.org/unsub?pgsql-www or like that? Hmm. Maybe
> it's not all that much nicer looking...

I have now realized the Postgres FAQ was lacking in providing
unsubscribe information, and in not promoting the use of eliminatecc and
selfcopy for people who want it.  I have added a new FAQ item:

	1.15) How do I unsubscribe from the PostgreSQL email lists? How do I
	avoid receiving duplicate emails?
	
	The PostgreSQL Majordomo <URL> page allows subscribing or
	unsubscribing from any of the PostgreSQL email lists. (You might
	need to have your Majordomo password emailed to you to log in.)
	
	All PostgreSQL email lists are configured so a group reply goes to the
	email list and the original email author. This is done so users receive
	the quickest possible email replies. If you would prefer not to receive
	duplicate email from the list in cases where you already receive an
	email directly, check eliminatecc from the Majordomo Change Settings
	page. You can also prevent yourself from receiving copies of emails you
	post to the lists by unchecking selfcopy.

-- 
  Bruce Momjian  <[email protected]>        http://momjian.us
  EnterpriseDB                             http://postgres.enterprisedb.com

  + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-03 16:09  Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>
  parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 39+ messages in thread

From: Peter Eisentraut @ 2008-03-03 16:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www

Am Montag, 3. März 2008 schrieb Marc G. Fournier:
> Good catch ... changed to "To make canges to your Subscription", which

"Subscription" should not be capitalized.



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-03 16:10  Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
  parent: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2008-03-03 16:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; +Cc: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

Bruce Momjian wrote:

> I have now realized the Postgres FAQ was lacking in providing
> unsubscribe information, and in not promoting the use of eliminatecc and
> selfcopy for people who want it.  I have added a new FAQ item:

May I suggest splitting it into two questions?  There doesn't seem to be
much point in keeping them together.


-- 
Alvaro Herrera                                http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-03 16:40  Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
  parent: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 39+ messages in thread

From: Bruce Momjian @ 2008-03-03 16:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
> 
> > I have now realized the Postgres FAQ was lacking in providing
> > unsubscribe information, and in not promoting the use of eliminatecc and
> > selfcopy for people who want it.  I have added a new FAQ item:
> 
> May I suggest splitting it into two questions?  There doesn't seem to be
> much point in keeping them together.

Uh, I can but the fact is I need to give them information about how to
log into that page for both items.

-- 
  Bruce Momjian  <[email protected]>        http://momjian.us
  EnterpriseDB                             http://postgres.enterprisedb.com

  + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-04 14:16  Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
  parent: Tom Lane <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2008-03-04 14:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; +Cc: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>

Tom Lane wrote:
> Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> writes:
> > So - absolutely doable, once we decide where we want it to go.
> 
> +1 for a more readable link.  I don't much care what it is exactly,
> but would suggest not exposing "wwwmaster" or anything that is part
> of the website's internal infrastructure.

*nudge*

-- 
Alvaro Herrera                                http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-04 14:46  Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
  parent: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Magnus Hagander @ 2008-03-04 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>

On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 11:16:08AM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Tom Lane wrote:
> > Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> writes:
> > > So - absolutely doable, once we decide where we want it to go.
> > 
> > +1 for a more readable link.  I don't much care what it is exactly,
> > but would suggest not exposing "wwwmaster" or anything that is part
> > of the website's internal infrastructure.
> 
> *nudge*

Was there ever agreement on what page it should point to?

//Magnus



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-04 15:13  Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
  parent: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 39+ messages in thread

From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2008-03-04 15:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>

Magnus Hagander wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 11:16:08AM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> > Tom Lane wrote:
> > > Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> writes:
> > > > So - absolutely doable, once we decide where we want it to go.
> > > 
> > > +1 for a more readable link.  I don't much care what it is exactly,
> > > but would suggest not exposing "wwwmaster" or anything that is part
> > > of the website's internal infrastructure.
> > 
> > *nudge*
> 
> Was there ever agreement on what page it should point to?

The link Greg provided seems to be the best candidate:

http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr/domain=postgresql.org?func=lists-long-full&extra=pgsql-g...

-- 
Alvaro Herrera                                http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-04 15:35  Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
  parent: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 39+ messages in thread

From: Magnus Hagander @ 2008-03-04 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>

On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 12:13:04PM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Magnus Hagander wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 11:16:08AM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> > > Tom Lane wrote:
> > > > Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> writes:
> > > > > So - absolutely doable, once we decide where we want it to go.
> > > > 
> > > > +1 for a more readable link.  I don't much care what it is exactly,
> > > > but would suggest not exposing "wwwmaster" or anything that is part
> > > > of the website's internal infrastructure.
> > > 
> > > *nudge*
> > 
> > Was there ever agreement on what page it should point to?
> 
> The link Greg provided seems to be the best candidate:
> 
> http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr/domain=postgresql.org?func=lists-long-full&extra=pgsql-g...

Ok, I have a .htaccess rule that does this. Since we're sending it to a
preferences page, it seems reasonable to name it mailpref (or so) instead
of unsub.

So http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www
seems reasonable?

You can test it out at
http://magnus-static.pgadmin.org/mailpref/pgsql-www

(by all means, try out other lists)


Good enough to commit?

//Magnus



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-04 15:41  Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
  parent: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2008-03-04 15:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>

Magnus Hagander wrote:

> Ok, I have a .htaccess rule that does this. Since we're sending it to a
> preferences page, it seems reasonable to name it mailpref (or so) instead
> of unsub.

Thanks.

> So http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www
> seems reasonable?

Yeah.

> You can test it out at
> http://magnus-static.pgadmin.org/mailpref/pgsql-www
> 
> (by all means, try out other lists)

It doesn't seem to work for "change_the_name".  All other lists seem to
work.  (Yes, that's a valid list.  Yes, it's a stupid name.)

-- 
Alvaro Herrera                                http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-04 15:44  Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
  parent: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Magnus Hagander @ 2008-03-04 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>

On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 12:41:36PM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Magnus Hagander wrote:
> 
> > Ok, I have a .htaccess rule that does this. Since we're sending it to a
> > preferences page, it seems reasonable to name it mailpref (or so) instead
> > of unsub.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> > So http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www
> > seems reasonable?
> 
> Yeah.
> 
> > You can test it out at
> > http://magnus-static.pgadmin.org/mailpref/pgsql-www
> > 
> > (by all means, try out other lists)
> 
> It doesn't seem to work for "change_the_name".  All other lists seem to
> work.  (Yes, that's a valid list.  Yes, it's a stupid name.)

Yeah, underscore wasn't in the allowed chars in the regexp. And yes, it
should've been change-the-name to be consistent with our other lists.
Is the list alive at all, or should it be deleted?

Either way, I've added underscore, and it works now. Any objections, or
shuld I commit?

//Magnus



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-04 15:47  Dave Page <[email protected]>
  parent: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Dave Page @ 2008-03-04 15:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> wrote:

>  Yeah, underscore wasn't in the allowed chars in the regexp. And yes, it
>  should've been change-the-name to be consistent with our other lists.
>  Is the list alive at all, or should it be deleted?

As far as I'm concerned, it should be removed. It was a knee-jerk
reaction to a problem that was eventually solved in a more appropriate
way (eventually being the major problem I'll admit).

-- 
Dave Page
EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com
PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-04 16:45  Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
  parent: Dave Page <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 39+ messages in thread

From: Bruce Momjian @ 2008-03-04 16:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>

Dave Page wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> >  Yeah, underscore wasn't in the allowed chars in the regexp. And yes, it
> >  should've been change-the-name to be consistent with our other lists.
> >  Is the list alive at all, or should it be deleted?
> 
> As far as I'm concerned, it should be removed. It was a knee-jerk
> reaction to a problem that was eventually solved in a more appropriate
> way (eventually being the major problem I'll admit).

Agreed.

-- 
  Bruce Momjian  <[email protected]>        http://momjian.us
  EnterpriseDB                             http://postgres.enterprisedb.com

  + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +



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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-05 03:04  Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  parent: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 39+ messages in thread

From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-03-05 03:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>

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I thought the idea was to make a shorter URL that would then do a redirect to 
that URL ... ?

- --On Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:13:04 -0300 Alvaro Herrera 
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Magnus Hagander wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 11:16:08AM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>> > Tom Lane wrote:
>> > > Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> writes:
>> > > > So - absolutely doable, once we decide where we want it to go.
>> > >
>> > > +1 for a more readable link.  I don't much care what it is exactly,
>> > > but would suggest not exposing "wwwmaster" or anything that is part
>> > > of the website's internal infrastructure.
>> >
>> > *nudge*
>>
>> Was there ever agreement on what page it should point to?
>
> The link Greg provided seems to be the best candidate:
>
> http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr/domain=postgresql.org?func=lists-long
> -full&extra=pgsql-general
>
> --
> Alvaro Herrera                                http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
> The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.
>
> --
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> To make changes to your Subscription:
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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-05 03:05  Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  parent: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 39+ messages in thread

From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-03-05 03:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>

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- --On Tuesday, March 04, 2008 16:35:21 +0100 Magnus Hagander 
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 12:13:04PM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>> Magnus Hagander wrote:
>> > On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 11:16:08AM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
>> > > Tom Lane wrote:
>> > > > Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> writes:
>> > > > > So - absolutely doable, once we decide where we want it to go.
>> > > >
>> > > > +1 for a more readable link.  I don't much care what it is exactly,
>> > > > but would suggest not exposing "wwwmaster" or anything that is part
>> > > > of the website's internal infrastructure.
>> > >
>> > > *nudge*
>> >
>> > Was there ever agreement on what page it should point to?
>>
>> The link Greg provided seems to be the best candidate:
>>
>> http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr/domain=postgresql.org?func=lists-lon
>> g-full&extra=pgsql-general
>
> Ok, I have a .htaccess rule that does this. Since we're sending it to a
> preferences page, it seems reasonable to name it mailpref (or so) instead
> of unsub.
>
> So http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www
> seems reasonable?

I like it ... let me know when to make the change on the majordomo side ...

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* Re: An actually *useful* mail-list message footer
@ 2008-03-05 11:21  Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
  parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 39+ messages in thread

From: Magnus Hagander @ 2008-03-05 11:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www

On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 11:05:55PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> - --On Tuesday, March 04, 2008 16:35:21 +0100 Magnus Hagander 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 12:13:04PM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> >> Magnus Hagander wrote:
> >> > On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 11:16:08AM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> >> > > Tom Lane wrote:
> >> > > > Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> writes:
> >> > > > > So - absolutely doable, once we decide where we want it to go.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > +1 for a more readable link.  I don't much care what it is exactly,
> >> > > > but would suggest not exposing "wwwmaster" or anything that is part
> >> > > > of the website's internal infrastructure.
> >> > >
> >> > > *nudge*
> >> >
> >> > Was there ever agreement on what page it should point to?
> >>
> >> The link Greg provided seems to be the best candidate:
> >>
> >> http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr/domain=postgresql.org?func=lists-lon
> >> g-full&extra=pgsql-general
> >
> > Ok, I have a .htaccess rule that does this. Since we're sending it to a
> > preferences page, it seems reasonable to name it mailpref (or so) instead
> > of unsub.
> >
> > So http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www
> > seems reasonable?
> 
> I like it ... let me know when to make the change on the majordomo side ...

Ok, it works off at least one of the mirrors now, so give it a couple of
hours to make sure it has hit all the mirrors, and then go ahead with the
change.

//Magnus




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2008-03-02 05:25       ` Tom Lane <[email protected]>
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2008-03-02 05:57           ` Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2008-03-02 06:06             ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2008-03-02 06:18               ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2008-03-02 06:21               ` Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2008-03-02 14:30   ` Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>
2008-03-02 15:29     ` Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
2008-03-02 15:33       ` Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>
2008-03-02 16:20         ` Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2008-03-02 16:55           ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2008-03-02 23:17           ` Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
2008-03-02 23:34             ` Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-03 00:01               ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2008-03-03 16:09                 ` Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>
2008-03-03 14:42           ` Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2008-03-03 15:22             ` Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-03 15:27               ` Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2008-03-03 15:31                 ` Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-03 15:51                   ` Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2008-03-04 14:16                     ` Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2008-03-04 14:46                       ` Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-04 15:13                         ` Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2008-03-04 15:35                           ` Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-04 15:41                             ` Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2008-03-04 15:44                               ` Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-04 15:47                                 ` Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-04 16:45                                   ` Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 03:05                             ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 11:21                               ` Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 03:04                           ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2008-03-03 16:00               ` Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2008-03-03 16:10                 ` Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2008-03-03 16:40                   ` Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>

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