From: Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
To: Medi Montaseri <montaseri@gmail.com>
Cc: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Cc: Steve Holdoway <steve.holdoway@firetrust.com>
Cc: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: what happend to my database
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:00:13 -0600
Message-ID: <dcc563d10806101300y1256ce72tc46723219d1f3700@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8078a1730806101257m38fd1232nce7ae71870ee5de2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8078a1730805281837y1ed331bey4e7db16a63423cfa@mail.gmail.com>
<20080529135235.d6fcad87.steve.holdoway@firetrust.com>
<13918.1212029485@sss.pgh.pa.us>
<8078a1730805282214l32d4833j50ccb6c5bb177c9a@mail.gmail.com>
<dcc563d10806101249n22b349a0pfe64c45b15a3320b@mail.gmail.com>
<8078a1730806101257m38fd1232nce7ae71870ee5de2@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Medi Montaseri <montaseri@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Medi Montaseri <montaseri@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Yes, this type of presumptuous behavior to wipe out a production
>> > database
>> > based on a few checks is too risky...
>> >
>> > Behavior one:
>> > First out-of-box time, pg_ctl does not find any database files, it tells
>> > the
>> > user that "sorry I did not find any database to start....see initdb....
>> > Result: we have a semi-unhappy user/admin that says... what is initdb
>> >
>> > Behavior two:
>> > In order to enhance the out-of-box experience, we have wiped out a
>> > production environment, leading to many unhappy staff and customers....
>> >
>> > PG developers...I am not impressed at all...
>>
>> In defense of the pg developers, the behaviour you describe was
>> removed long ago BECAUSE of the issues you mention.
>>
>> The fact is that pg developers can't police every distro out there to
>> make sure they've removed such hinky behaviour from their startup
>> scripts. So, the persons to NOT be impressed with at all are the
>> folks who maintain your OS's postgresql packaging, not the pg
>> developers.
>
>
> stand corrected
>
>>
>>
>> Course, you can always switch to MySQL, or Oracle, or MSSQL where
>> nothing like that ever happens. uh huh.
>
> Never...I rather stay and fix it...than run away to a different country
Me too. Sorry I really shoulda tossed a smily on the end there... :)
There's one now...
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Reply to all the recipients using the --to and --cc options:
reply via email
To: pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
Cc: scott.marlowe@gmail.com, montaseri@gmail.com, tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us, steve.holdoway@firetrust.com
Subject: Re: what happend to my database
In-Reply-To: <dcc563d10806101300y1256ce72tc46723219d1f3700@mail.gmail.com>
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
This inbox is served by DDX for PostgreSQL; see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox