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* Lower or Upper case for F.33. pg_trgm
@ 2022-08-16 10:17  PG Doc comments form <noreply@postgresql.org>
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From: PG Doc comments form @ 2022-08-16 10:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; +Cc: marcmaiwald@googlemail.com

The following documentation comment has been logged on the website:

Page: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/14/pgtrgm.html
Description:

Hey guys,

I have a question regarding the trigram algorithm and I can not find any
information about it in your documentation:

Do you distinguish between lower and uppercase? Or do you consider all words
in lowercase?

Happy to get a short feedback from you,

Greetings, Marc


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* Re: Lower or Upper case for F.33. pg_trgm
@ 2022-08-16 10:36  Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se>
  parent: PG Doc comments form <noreply@postgresql.org>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread

From: Daniel Gustafsson @ 2022-08-16 10:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: marcmaiwald@googlemail.com; pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org

> On 16 Aug 2022, at 12:17, PG Doc comments form <noreply@postgresql.org> wrote:

> I have a question regarding the trigram algorithm and I can not find any
> information about it in your documentation:

Maybe we should add something about this?

> Do you distinguish between lower and uppercase? Or do you consider all words
> in lowercase?

There is support for compiling pg_trgm case sensitive, but it's by default case
insensitive.

# SELECT word_similarity('word', 'WORD');
 word_similarity
-----------------
               1
(1 row)

> Happy to get a short feedback from you,

I would recommend the pg_general mailinglist as that will be a safer way to get
general questions answered.

--
Daniel Gustafsson		https://vmware.com/






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* Re: Lower or Upper case for F.33. pg_trgm
@ 2022-08-16 10:54  Erik Rijkers <er@xs4all.nl>
  parent: Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread

From: Erik Rijkers @ 2022-08-16 10:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se>; marcmaiwald@googlemail.com; pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org



Op 16-08-2022 om 12:36 schreef Daniel Gustafsson:
>> On 16 Aug 2022, at 12:17, PG Doc comments form <noreply@postgresql.org> wrote:
> 
>> I have a question regarding the trigram algorithm and I can not find any
>> information about it in your documentation:
> 
> Maybe we should add something about this?

Yeah, it's a bit strange that none of the following strings yield any 
info on that page:  'case', 'sensitiv', 'upper', 'lower', and that there 
is no mention of the  ~  versus  ~*  difference.

Maybe worth to (already in pgtrgm.html) give the simple hint:
   ~  is case-sensitive
   ~* is case-insensitive


In any case a link to  functions-matching.html  seems indicated.


Erik Rijkers


> 
>> Do you distinguish between lower and uppercase? Or do you consider all words
>> in lowercase?
> 
> There is support for compiling pg_trgm case sensitive, but it's by default case
> insensitive.
> 
> # SELECT word_similarity('word', 'WORD');
>   word_similarity
> -----------------
>                 1
> (1 row)
> 
>> Happy to get a short feedback from you,
> 
> I would recommend the pg_general mailinglist as that will be a safer way to get
> general questions answered.
> 
> --
> Daniel Gustafsson		https://vmware.com/
> 
> 
> 





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* Re: Lower or Upper case for F.33. pg_trgm
@ 2022-08-16 11:46  Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se>
  parent: Erik Rijkers <er@xs4all.nl>
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread

From: Daniel Gustafsson @ 2022-08-16 11:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Erik Rijkers <er@xs4all.nl>; +Cc: marcmaiwald@googlemail.com; pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org

> On 16 Aug 2022, at 12:54, Erik Rijkers <er@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> Op 16-08-2022 om 12:36 schreef Daniel Gustafsson:
>>> On 16 Aug 2022, at 12:17, PG Doc comments form <noreply@postgresql.org> wrote:
>>> I have a question regarding the trigram algorithm and I can not find any
>>> information about it in your documentation:
>> Maybe we should add something about this?
> 
> Yeah, it's a bit strange that none of the following strings yield any info on that page:  'case', 'sensitiv', 'upper', 'lower', and that there is no mention of the  ~  versus  ~*  difference.
> 
> Maybe worth to (already in pgtrgm.html) give the simple hint:
>  ~  is case-sensitive
>  ~* is case-insensitive
> 
> In any case a link to  functions-matching.html  seems indicated.

Yeah, I think there is room for improvements here.  Are you up for drafting a
patch for this?

--
Daniel Gustafsson		https://vmware.com/






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* Re: Lower or Upper case for F.33. pg_trgm
@ 2022-08-16 12:35  Marc M. <marcmaiwald@googlemail.com>
  parent: Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se>
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread

From: Marc M. @ 2022-08-16 12:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: daniel@yesql.se; +Cc: Erik Rijkers <er@xs4all.nl>; pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org

Thanks for your fast response.

Is this a question for me? I am fine with a short hint regarding the
default.
A link to another documentation is also fine.

Am Di., 16. Aug. 2022 um 13:46 Uhr schrieb Daniel Gustafsson <
daniel@yesql.se>:

> > On 16 Aug 2022, at 12:54, Erik Rijkers <er@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >
> > Op 16-08-2022 om 12:36 schreef Daniel Gustafsson:
> >>> On 16 Aug 2022, at 12:17, PG Doc comments form <noreply@postgresql.org>
> wrote:
> >>> I have a question regarding the trigram algorithm and I can not find
> any
> >>> information about it in your documentation:
> >> Maybe we should add something about this?
> >
> > Yeah, it's a bit strange that none of the following strings yield any
> info on that page:  'case', 'sensitiv', 'upper', 'lower', and that there is
> no mention of the  ~  versus  ~*  difference.
> >
> > Maybe worth to (already in pgtrgm.html) give the simple hint:
> >  ~  is case-sensitive
> >  ~* is case-insensitive
> >
> > In any case a link to  functions-matching.html  seems indicated.
>
> Yeah, I think there is room for improvements here.  Are you up for
> drafting a
> patch for this?
>
> --
> Daniel Gustafsson               https://vmware.com/
>
>

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* Re: Lower or Upper case for F.33. pg_trgm
@ 2022-08-16 13:03  Erik Rijkers <er@xs4all.nl>
  parent: Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se>
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread

From: Erik Rijkers @ 2022-08-16 13:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se>; +Cc: marcmaiwald@googlemail.com; pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org

Op 16-08-2022 om 13:46 schreef Daniel Gustafsson:
>> On 16 Aug 2022, at 12:54, Erik Rijkers <er@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>> Op 16-08-2022 om 12:36 schreef Daniel Gustafsson:
>>>> On 16 Aug 2022, at 12:17, PG Doc comments form <noreply@postgresql.org> wrote:
>>>> I have a question regarding the trigram algorithm and I can not find any
>>>> information about it in your documentation:
>>> Maybe we should add something about this?
>>
>> Yeah, it's a bit strange that none of the following strings yield any info on that page:  'case', 'sensitiv', 'upper', 'lower', and that there is no mention of the  ~  versus  ~*  difference.
>>
>> Maybe worth to (already in pgtrgm.html) give the simple hint:
>>   ~  is case-sensitive
>>   ~* is case-insensitive
>>
>> In any case a link to  functions-matching.html  seems indicated.
> 
> Yeah, I think there is room for improvements here.  Are you up for drafting a
> patch for this?
> 

How is this?

(bluntly stating 'similarity comparisons are case-insensitive' - 
although I'm not really sure..)


Erik

> --
> Daniel Gustafsson		https://vmware.com/
> 

Attachments:

  [text/x-patch] pgtrgm.sgml.20220816.diff (1.1K, ../../4be605ae-7fbb-c47c-9c7f-f8965ff0ea9e@xs4all.nl/2-pgtrgm.sgml.20220816.diff)
  download | inline diff:
--- ./doc/src/sgml/pgtrgm.sgml.orig	2022-08-16 14:50:08.586555358 +0200
+++ ./doc/src/sgml/pgtrgm.sgml	2022-08-16 14:56:39.358617804 +0200
@@ -416,6 +416,8 @@
    the above-described similarity operators, and additionally support
    trigram-based index searches for <literal>LIKE</literal>, <literal>ILIKE</literal>,
    <literal>~</literal>, <literal>~*</literal> and <literal>=</literal> queries.
+   The similarity comparisons are case-insensitive, but these queries can be
+   case-sensitive (see <xref linkend="functions-matching"/>).
    Inequality operators are not supported.
    Note that those indexes may not be as efficient as regular B-tree indexes
    for equality operator.
@@ -534,7 +536,8 @@
   <para>
    Beginning in <productname>PostgreSQL</productname> 9.3, these index types also support
    index searches for regular-expression matches
-   (<literal>~</literal> and <literal>~*</literal> operators), for example
+   (<literal>~</literal> and <literal>~*</literal> operators, resp. case-sensitive and
+   case-insensitive), for example
 <programlisting>
 SELECT * FROM test_trgm WHERE t ~ '(foo|bar)';
 </programlisting>


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* Re: Lower or Upper case for F.33. pg_trgm
@ 2022-08-16 13:53  Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
  parent: Erik Rijkers <er@xs4all.nl>
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread

From: Tom Lane @ 2022-08-16 13:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Erik Rijkers <er@xs4all.nl>; +Cc: Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se>; marcmaiwald@googlemail.com; pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org

Erik Rijkers <er@xs4all.nl> writes:
> (bluntly stating 'similarity comparisons are case-insensitive' - 
> although I'm not really sure..)

Perhaps like "similarity comparisons are case-insensitive in a
standard build of pg_trgm", if you want to nod to the existence
of a compile option without going into detail.

			regards, tom lane





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* Re: Lower or Upper case for F.33. pg_trgm
@ 2022-08-16 14:16  Marc M. <marcmaiwald@googlemail.com>
  parent: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread

From: Marc M. @ 2022-08-16 14:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; +Cc: Erik Rijkers <er@xs4all.nl>; Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se>; pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org

Sounds good to me.

Am Di., 16. Aug. 2022 um 15:53 Uhr schrieb Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>:

> Erik Rijkers <er@xs4all.nl> writes:
> > (bluntly stating 'similarity comparisons are case-insensitive' -
> > although I'm not really sure..)
>
> Perhaps like "similarity comparisons are case-insensitive in a
> standard build of pg_trgm", if you want to nod to the existence
> of a compile option without going into detail.
>
>                         regards, tom lane
>

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* Re: Lower or Upper case for F.33. pg_trgm
@ 2022-08-16 21:28  Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se>
  parent: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread

From: Daniel Gustafsson @ 2022-08-16 21:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; +Cc: Erik Rijkers <er@xs4all.nl>; marcmaiwald@googlemail.com; pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org

> On 16 Aug 2022, at 15:53, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
> 
> Erik Rijkers <er@xs4all.nl> writes:
>> (bluntly stating 'similarity comparisons are case-insensitive' - 
>> although I'm not really sure..)
> 
> Perhaps like "similarity comparisons are case-insensitive in a
> standard build of pg_trgm", if you want to nod to the existence
> of a compile option without going into detail.

Looking at this I'm leaning towards paring down the diff posted upthread with
pretty much this, I think that will provide value while avoid causing
confusion.

As a related side note, there are four instances of "case insensitive{ly}" in
the docs with all other instances using "case-insensitive{ly}".  I'm inclined
to fix those four to use a dash while at it to be consistent across all pages.

--
Daniel Gustafsson		https://vmware.com/

Attachments:

  [application/octet-stream] pg_trgm_case.diff (680B, ../../7657EDEE-5EE2-4AAB-BA95-47B4F71653E1@yesql.se/2-pg_trgm_case.diff)
  download | inline diff:
diff --git a/doc/src/sgml/pgtrgm.sgml b/doc/src/sgml/pgtrgm.sgml
index 7e29282255..fefe30afb7 100644
--- a/doc/src/sgml/pgtrgm.sgml
+++ b/doc/src/sgml/pgtrgm.sgml
@@ -416,6 +416,8 @@
    the above-described similarity operators, and additionally support
    trigram-based index searches for <literal>LIKE</literal>, <literal>ILIKE</literal>,
    <literal>~</literal>, <literal>~*</literal> and <literal>=</literal> queries.
+   The similarity comparisons are case-insensitive in a default build of
+   <filename>pg_trgm</filename>.
    Inequality operators are not supported.
    Note that those indexes may not be as efficient as regular B-tree indexes
    for equality operator.

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* Re: Lower or Upper case for F.33. pg_trgm
@ 2022-08-16 21:49  Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
  parent: Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se>
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread

From: Tom Lane @ 2022-08-16 21:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se>; +Cc: Erik Rijkers <er@xs4all.nl>; marcmaiwald@googlemail.com; pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org

Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se> writes:
> Looking at this I'm leaning towards paring down the diff posted upthread with
> pretty much this, I think that will provide value while avoid causing
> confusion.

WFM.

> As a related side note, there are four instances of "case insensitive{ly}" in
> the docs with all other instances using "case-insensitive{ly}".  I'm inclined
> to fix those four to use a dash while at it to be consistent across all pages.

+1

			regards, tom lane





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