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* Article doing a basic comparison of MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL
@ 2005-08-11 06:49 Gavin Sherry <[email protected]>
  2005-08-11 15:08 ` Re: Article doing a basic comparison of MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread

From: Gavin Sherry @ 2005-08-11 06:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: pgsql-docs

Though it was published some time ago, I only just came across this
article:

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/oracle/115560

The comparison criteria is primative but PostgreSQL does well. I must say,
I was thrown by this comment:

"That web site includes a very good installation document. However, post
installation and getting started documentation is very limited. I hope
that that will change in time."

I find this peculiar, considering this:

http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.0/static/tutorial-start.html

Now, perhaps the author's conclusion is just bogus but can anyone think of
better ways in which we could ease people into PostgreSQL?

Thanks,

Gavin



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* Re: Article doing a basic comparison of MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL
  2005-08-11 06:49 Article doing a basic comparison of MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL Gavin Sherry <[email protected]>
@ 2005-08-11 15:08 ` Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
  2005-08-11 16:51   ` Re: Article doing a basic comparison of MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL Andrew Ford <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread

From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2005-08-11 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Gavin Sherry <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-docs


>I find this peculiar, considering this:
>
>http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.0/static/tutorial-start.html
>
>Now, perhaps the author's conclusion is just bogus but can anyone think of
>better ways in which we could ease people into PostgreSQL?
>  
>
I think more than likely it just isn't obvious where the tutorial is.
I just went to the website, I clicked documentation, no immediate
mention of the tutorial. Then I click 8.0, where is the tutorial?

Oh... it is in the beginning of the 1300 pages of documentation.

Honestly, I didn't even know it was there. Of course I haven't had
need for it, but if I couldn't readily find it in 1 click (which is what
it should be) then a guy writing an article isn't going to either.

The tutorial/introduction should be a nice fat link in the center of
the page when you click documentation.

Right now when you click documentation you get this:

There is a wealth of PostgreSQL information available online. This 
section contains current <http://www.postgresql.org/docs/manuals; and 
archived <http://www.postgresql.org/docs/manuals/archive; manuals for 
PostgreSQL users, as well as frequently asked questions 
<http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq;.

You can learn what's new <http://www.postgresql.org/docs/whatsnew; in 
the latest release, and view a listing of books 
<http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books; written about PostgreSQL (some of 
which are available in their entirety online). Technical documentation 
<http://techdocs.postgresql.org; is also available in this section.

Which should probably be:

There is a wealth of PostgreSQL information available online. If you are 
new to PostgreSQL we strongly suggest you check out
the latest <BOLD>Tutorial</BOLD>. This section contains current 
<http://www.postgresql.org/docs/manuals; and archived 
<http://www.postgresql.org/docs/manuals/archive; manuals for PostgreSQL 
users, as well as frequently asked questions 
<http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq;.

You can learn what's new <http://www.postgresql.org/docs/whatsnew; in 
the latest release, and view a listing of books 
<http://www.postgresql.org/docs/books; written about PostgreSQL (some of 
which are available in their entirety online). Technical documentation 
<http://techdocs.postgresql.org; is also available in this section.



Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake



>Thanks,
>
>Gavin
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* Re: Article doing a basic comparison of MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL
  2005-08-11 06:49 Article doing a basic comparison of MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL Gavin Sherry <[email protected]>
  2005-08-11 15:08 ` Re: Article doing a basic comparison of MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
@ 2005-08-11 16:51   ` Andrew Ford <[email protected]>
  2005-08-16 00:26     ` Re: Article doing a basic comparison of MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL Jim C. Nasby <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread

From: Andrew Ford @ 2005-08-11 16:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-docs; [email protected]

Joshua D. Drake wrote:

>
>> I find this peculiar, considering this:
>>
>> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.0/static/tutorial-start.html
>>
>> Now, perhaps the author's conclusion is just bogus but can anyone 
>> think of
>> better ways in which we could ease people into PostgreSQL?
>>  
>>
> I think more than likely it just isn't obvious where the tutorial is.
> I just went to the website, I clicked documentation, no immediate
> mention of the tutorial. Then I click 8.0, where is the tutorial?
>
> Oh... it is in the beginning of the 1300 pages of documentation.

I think that the documentation should be split (back out) into separate 
books -- tutorial, reference, release notes, etc.  It is too unwieldy as 
it is.  The release notes at least should be separate -- I was rather 
pissed off when I discovered that what I had printed out included 
changes for releases I had no interest in.  If the documents have been 
amalgamated to suit a publisher then I feel even more agrieved -- I 
resent having to pay for padding and resent the waste of paper.   With a 
duplex printer the documentation fills two binders; printed simplex it 
would be more like four!

Andrew Ford
ford-mason.co.uk



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* Re: Article doing a basic comparison of MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL
  2005-08-11 06:49 Article doing a basic comparison of MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL Gavin Sherry <[email protected]>
  2005-08-11 15:08 ` Re: Article doing a basic comparison of MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
  2005-08-11 16:51   ` Re: Article doing a basic comparison of MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL Andrew Ford <[email protected]>
@ 2005-08-16 00:26     ` Jim C. Nasby <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread

From: Jim C. Nasby @ 2005-08-16 00:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Ford <[email protected]>; +Cc: Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>; pgsql-docs; [email protected]

On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 05:51:14PM +0100, Andrew Ford wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> 
> >
> >>I find this peculiar, considering this:
> >>
> >>http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.0/static/tutorial-start.html
> >>
> >>Now, perhaps the author's conclusion is just bogus but can anyone 
> >>think of
> >>better ways in which we could ease people into PostgreSQL?
> >> 
> >>
> >I think more than likely it just isn't obvious where the tutorial is.
> >I just went to the website, I clicked documentation, no immediate
> >mention of the tutorial. Then I click 8.0, where is the tutorial?
> >
> >Oh... it is in the beginning of the 1300 pages of documentation.
> 
> I think that the documentation should be split (back out) into separate 
> books -- tutorial, reference, release notes, etc.  It is too unwieldy as 
> it is.  The release notes at least should be separate -- I was rather 

I always have trouble finding info, just about anywhere on the site, and
the docs are no exception. I generally just use the SQL reference, but
there's still a lot of info that's not in that reference.

In this case, I think the real issue is a matter of website design. It
would be good if there was a prominent 'Getting started' link somewhere.
-- 
Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant      [email protected]
Pervasive Software        http://pervasive.com        512-569-9461




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