From: Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
To: Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
Cc: PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: First draft of the PG 15 release notes
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 22:08:08 -0700
Message-ID: <20220630050808.GC2257984@rfd.leadboat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YrtmIcJ5BR7+GTvU@momjian.us>
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On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 04:35:45PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 11:37:19PM -0700, Noah Misch wrote:
> > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 11:44:15AM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > > I have completed the first draft of the PG 15 release notes
> >
> > > <!--
> > > Author: Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com>
> > > 2021-09-09 [b073c3ccd] Revoke PUBLIC CREATE from public schema, now owned by pg
> > > -->
> > >
> > > <listitem>
> > > <para>
> > > Remove <literal>PUBLIC</literal> creation permission on the <link
> > > linkend="ddl-schemas-public"><literal>public</literal> schema</link>
> > > (Noah Misch)
> > > </para>
> > >
> > > <para>
> > > This is a change in the default for newly-created databases in
> > > existing clusters and for new clusters; <literal>USAGE</literal>
> >
> > If you dump/reload an unmodified v14 template1 (as pg_dumpall and pg_upgrade
> > do), your v15 template1 will have a v14 ACL on its public schema. At that
> > point, the fate of "newly-created databases in existing clusters" depends on
> > whether you clone template1 or template0. Does any of that detail belong
> > here, or does the existing text suffice?
>
> I think it is very confusing to have template0 have one value and
> template1 have a different one, but as I understand it template0 will
> only be used for pg_dump comparison, and that will keep template1 with
> the same permissions, so I guess it is okay.
It's an emergent property of two decisions. In the interest of backward
compatibility, I decided to have v15 pg_dump emit GRANT for the public schema
even when the source is an unmodified v14- database. When that combines with
the ancient decision that a pg_dumpall or pg_upgrade covers template1 but not
template0, one gets the above consequences. I don't see a way to improve on
this outcome.
> > > permissions on the <literal>public</literal> schema has not
> > > been changed. Databases restored from previous Postgres releases
> > > will be restored with their current permissions. Users wishing
> > > to have the old permissions on new objects will need to grant
> >
> > The phrase "old permissions on new objects" doesn't sound right to me, but I'm
> > not sure why. I think you're aiming for the fact that this is just a default;
> > one can still change the ACL to anything, including to the old default. If
> > these notes are going to mention the old default like they do so far, I think
> > they should also urge readers to understand
> > https://www.postgresql.org/docs/devel/ddl-schemas.html#DDL-SCHEMAS-PATTERNS
> > before returning to the old default. What do you think?
>
> Agreed, the new text is:
>
> Users wishing to have the former permissions will need to grant
> <literal>CREATE</literal> permission for <literal>PUBLIC</literal> on
> the <literal>public</literal> schema; this change can be made on
> <literal>template1</literal> to cause all new databases to have these
> permissions.
What do you think about the "should also urge readers ..." part of my message?
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