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From: Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com>
To: Craig James <cjames@emolecules.com>
Cc: Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnakangas@vmware.com>
Cc: Kevin Grittner <kgrittn@mail.com>
Cc: Craig Ringer <craig@2ndquadrant.com>
Cc: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Cc: Claudio Freire <klaussfreire@gmail.com>
Cc: Merlin Moncure <mmoncure@gmail.com>
Cc: David Greco <David_Greco@harte-hanks.com>
Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: Hints (was Poor performance using CTE)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:30:41 -0800
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On 11/21/2012 09:28 AM, Craig James wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com
> <mailto:mail@joeconway.com>> wrote:
> 
>     On 11/21/2012 08:05 AM, Heikki Linnakangas wrote:
>     > Rather than telling the planner what to do or not to do, I'd much
>     rather
>     > have hints that give the planner more information about the tables and
>     > quals involved in the query. A typical source of bad plans is when the
>     > planner gets its cost estimates wrong. So rather than telling the
>     > planner to use a nested loop join for "a INNER JOIN b ON a.id
>     <http://a.id; = b.id <http://b.id>";,
>     > the user could tell the planner that there are only 10 rows that match
>     > the "a.id <http://a.id; = b.id <http://b.id>"; qual. That gives the
>     planner the information it needs
>     > to choose the right plan on its own. That kind of hints would be much
>     > less implementation specific and much more likely to still be
>     useful, or
>     > at least not outright counter-productive, in a future version with a
>     > smarter planner.
>     >
>     > You could also attach that kind of hints to tables and columns, which
>     > would be more portable and nicer than decorating all queries.
> 
>     I like this idea, but also think that if we have a syntax to allow
>     hints, it would be nice to have a simple way to ignore all hints (yes, I
>     suppose I'm suggesting yet another GUC). That way after sprinkling your
>     SQL with hints, you could easily periodically (e.g. after a Postgres
>     upgrade) test what would happen if the hints were removed.
> 
> 
> Or a three-way choice: Allow, ignore, or generate an error.  That would
> allow developers to identify where hints are being used.

+1

Joe


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