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* Re: gforge
@ 2003-11-27 08:37 Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2003-11-27 08:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Treat [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 26 November 2003 20:16
> To: Dave Page; Marc G. Fournier
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] gforge
>
> On Wednesday 26 November 2003 11:00, Dave Page wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Mainly because we prefer the traditional mailing lists +
> CVS approach
> > like the core server uses. We also have a multilanguage
> website that
> > gborg can't do, but then I'm not sure that sf.net can either (for
> > example).
> >
>
> I'm pretty sure you could do your multilingual support on sf,
> though I'd need to look at your code to know for sure. sf
> gives you a standard user account ish web directory so its
> pretty flexible; the only big downside that I ever saw was
> they only give folks access to mysql databases, not
> postgresql :-( As for standard mailing lists / cvs approach,
> theres no reason you couldnt approach a sourceforge project
> the same way.
>
> BTW - I've been meaning to ask why don't we use the pgadmin
> code's language approach for the main website?
The design doesn't lend itself to a site the size of www.postgresql.org.
It's all done using php's gettext implementation, which is fine in
itself, but every html page is a mass of gettext calls, one for each
paragraph for maximum flexibility. That's fine on that site where there
are only about 6 pages, but we have around 10000 on www.postgresql.org.
> > Probably better people to ask would be Robert or Chris K-L, as they
> > actively chose sf.net as an alternative to GBorg.
> >
>
> I think the original rational for it was that great bridge
> had shut things down, so things were switched to sourceforge
> and when gborg came up there was no reason to switch back.
>
> speaking from a personal standpoint as someone who is a
> member of projects on both sites and has looked at the
> backend code for both sites, I do feel the sourceforge code
> is superior to the gborg code.
I'm sure sf.net has a lot more (paid) resources to put into it. From my
pov, I find sf.net to be over complex and confusing, but maybe that's
just me...
> from a project standpoint I
> think the information is laid out better both per project and
> on the site as a whole... for example the is no way to search
> for a specific project on gborg.. another example is the urls
> for each given project, compare:
> http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/pgweb/projdisplay.php
> vs. http://sourceforge.net/projects/phppgadmin/
You can omit the projdisplay.php, and I'm sure that 'projects' could be
symlinked to 'project'
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: gforge
@ 2003-12-01 18:26 Chris Ryan <[email protected]>
parent: Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Chris Ryan @ 2003-12-01 18:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
With respect to GBorg vs GForge, or any other project hosting site
infrastructure for that matter, it is my firm belief that you should do
what is best for the PostgreSQL community. Which is best? I am sure
everyone will have their own opinions about that along with the merits
and disadvantages to each choice. If the choice is made to move away
from GBorg I would fully understand and offer my assistance in any
migration effort possible to another system.
As for the direct development and maintenance of GBorg I often just
simply lack the time to do anything beyond simple maintenance and some
of the smaller enhancements requested by users. One of my biggest
things I've been wanting to do it enhance the admin screens for project
approval and turn that over to this list in the same manner that the
news and events is currently done. If GBorg is to stay around some
changes like that would be great to try and involve more people than
just myself into the process. I could also come up with a list of
things people have asked for in the past that could be worked on.
If GBorg stays it will need effort and participation from the
community in order to make it into a better development platform. That
is not something I can do by my self.
In an effort to fix a mistake I have probably made from the
beginning I would like to announce that I do not claim control over the
vision or future of GBorg. I have always tried to do what was desired
by others in the effort to make GBorg useful to the PostgreSQL
community. If the pgsql-www group wants to claim control of the vision
I would encourage it does so.
Chris Ryan
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* Re: gforge
@ 2003-12-01 18:39 Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
parent: Chris Ryan <[email protected]>
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From: Josh Berkus @ 2003-12-01 18:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chris Ryan <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Chris,
> If GBorg stays it will need effort and participation from the
> community in order to make it into a better development platform. That
> is not something I can do by my self.
Well, the main reason to move toward GForge is that it is being actively
maintained and improved by an outside community of people, while you've been
on your lonesome for some time. Given the number of other projects for
which we need more people, I personally don't see anyone having the time to
put in the work GBorg needs to "catch up" any time soon.
So my personal questions for you are: a) what do you, personally, think about
Gforge's architecture, community, and future? b) how does gforge stack up
against Sourceforge in your opinion? c) if we switch away from GBorg, will
that be the end of your involvement in the community, or are there other
things you want to work on?
--
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: gforge
@ 2003-12-01 19:23 Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2003-12-01 19:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chris Ryan <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Hi Chris,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Ryan [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 01 December 2003 18:26
> To: Dave Page; Robert Treat; Marc G. Fournier
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] gforge
>
> With respect to GBorg vs GForge, or any other project
> hosting site infrastructure for that matter, it is my firm
> belief that you should do what is best for the PostgreSQL
> community. Which is best? I am sure everyone will have their
> own opinions about that along with the merits and
> disadvantages to each choice. If the choice is made to move
> away from GBorg I would fully understand and offer my
> assistance in any migration effort possible to another system.
I can understand and respect the wish of some ppl to move to another
infrastructure. We are reliant upon you, and if you do not have the time
to commit (which is completely understandable), then we should not
disadvantage the users (that probably sounds more harsh than is meant
but you get my drift :-) ).
That said, the upheaval of moving systems is also likely to cause
massive problems. The inconvenience and pain that this would almost
certainly cause must be weighed against the features you are unable to
work on.
> As for the direct development and maintenance of GBorg I
> often just simply lack the time to do anything beyond simple
> maintenance and some of the smaller enhancements requested by
> users. One of my biggest things I've been wanting to do it
> enhance the admin screens for project approval and turn that
> over to this list in the same manner that the news and events
> is currently done. If GBorg is to stay around some changes
> like that would be great to try and involve more people than
> just myself into the process. I could also come up with a
> list of things people have asked for in the past that could
> be worked on.
Whilst I cannot commit any programming time, if there is any maintenance
or similar work I can help out with then please let me know. Gborg is
the only one of our VMs I don't have root on so adding another probably
won't hurt!!
On the subject of admin pages, the news/events ones are fairly hacked
together. Don't be afraid to release similar pages on Gborg to relieve
the workload - as long as there are suitable warnings about any quirks
on them I'm sure we can cope.
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: gforge
@ 2003-12-01 19:40 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
parent: Chris Ryan <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2003-12-01 19:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chris Ryan <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
IMHO ... I would personally love to avoid having to move, for exactly the
reasons that several people of put forth, but largely, migrating projects
from one to the other *would* be a nightmare (doable, but painful) ...
So, if it is/were possible to build up a team to push development of GBorg
forward, that would be teh optimal solution ...
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Chris Ryan wrote:
> With respect to GBorg vs GForge, or any other project hosting site
> infrastructure for that matter, it is my firm belief that you should do
> what is best for the PostgreSQL community. Which is best? I am sure
> everyone will have their own opinions about that along with the merits
> and disadvantages to each choice. If the choice is made to move away
> from GBorg I would fully understand and offer my assistance in any
> migration effort possible to another system.
>
> As for the direct development and maintenance of GBorg I often just
> simply lack the time to do anything beyond simple maintenance and some
> of the smaller enhancements requested by users. One of my biggest
> things I've been wanting to do it enhance the admin screens for project
> approval and turn that over to this list in the same manner that the
> news and events is currently done. If GBorg is to stay around some
> changes like that would be great to try and involve more people than
> just myself into the process. I could also come up with a list of
> things people have asked for in the past that could be worked on.
>
> If GBorg stays it will need effort and participation from the
> community in order to make it into a better development platform. That
> is not something I can do by my self.
>
> In an effort to fix a mistake I have probably made from the
> beginning I would like to announce that I do not claim control over the
> vision or future of GBorg. I have always tried to do what was desired
> by others in the effort to make GBorg useful to the PostgreSQL
> community. If the pgsql-www group wants to claim control of the vision
> I would encourage it does so.
>
>
> Chris Ryan
>
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* Re: gforge
@ 2003-12-01 20:49 Chris Ryan <[email protected]>
parent: Dave Page <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Chris Ryan @ 2003-12-01 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Resent reply to include pgsql-www list:
>
> That said, the upheaval of moving systems is also likely to cause
> massive problems. The inconvenience and pain that this would almost
> certainly cause must be weighed against the features you are unable
> to
> work on.
I agree. The effort/pain in a migration should be a significant
factor from all aspects. I never meant to imply otherwise.
>
> Whilst I cannot commit any programming time, if there is any
> maintenance
> or similar work I can help out with then please let me know. Gborg is
> the only one of our VMs I don't have root on so adding another
> probably
> won't hurt!!
>
I don't actually know who has root access to that VM other than
myself, and I'm sure Marc, but I think having another person wouldn't
be a bad idea. If Marc is o.k. with you having that access on that
machine then so am I. I would also be happy to give you any overviews
on how the site is generally laid out on the disk.
Chris Ryan
>
> Regards, Dave.
>
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* Re: gforge
@ 2003-12-01 20:49 Chris Ryan <[email protected]>
parent: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Chris Ryan @ 2003-12-01 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Resent reply to include pgsql-www list:
>
> So my personal questions for you are: a) what do you, personally,
> think about
> GfGforge architecture, community, and future? b) how does gfgforge>
stack up
> against SoSourceforgen your opinion? c) if we switch away from
> GBGBorgwill
> that be the end of your involvement in the community, or are there
> other
> things you want to work on?
>
Answers:
a) I have not reviews GFGForgeny further then looking at what Marc
installed on gfgforgopostgresqlrorgnd what is up on
wwwwwfgforgerorgWith that said from the surface it's ararchitecureooks
to be similar to Source Forges, the community has a fairly high profile
individual who was also an original member of SoSourceforgether than
that I really can't say.
b) Everything I have seen looks like GFGForgeunctions the same of
SoSourceforgeut again it's hard to say since I have not spent much time
on either of those sites over the years.
c) If the choice was made to move away from GBGBorghen I would probably
end my direct involvement in the community after any migration had
taken place. This does not mean I wowouldn be open to participating in
the community on future efforts. I have always and will always use and
advocate PoPostgreSQLhen I can in my places of work and on other
projects.
Chris Ryan
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* Re: gforge
@ 2003-12-01 21:01 Chris Ryan <[email protected]>
parent: Chris Ryan <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Chris Ryan @ 2003-12-01 21:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chris Ryan <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
I must be having a bad email day! The garbled text quoted below the
message is exactly why you do not want to use the back arrow to try and
edit a message for resending from the spell checker of mail.yahoo.com.
:( Here is the message corrected -- again.
a) I have not reviewed GForge any further then looking at what Marc
installed on gforge.postgresql.org and what is up on www.gforge.org.
With that said from the surface it's architecture looks to be similar
to SourceForge's, the community has a fairly high profile individual
who was also an original member of SoSourceforge. Other than that I
really can't say.
b) Everything I have seen looks like GFGForgeunctions the same of
Sourceforge but again it's hard to say since I have not spent much time
on either of those sites over the years.
c) If the choice was made to move away from GBorg then I would probably
end my direct involvement in the community after any migration had
taken place. This does not mean I wouldn't be open to participating in
the community on future efforts. I have always and will always use and
advocate PostgreSQL when I can in my places of work and on other
projects.
Chris "did i finally get it right" Ryan
--- Chris Ryan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Resent reply to include pgsql-www list:
>
> >
> > So my personal questions for you are: a) what do you, personally,
> > think about
> > GfGforge architecture, community, and future? b) how does
> gfgforge>
> stack up
> > against SoSourceforgen your opinion? c) if we switch away from
> > GBGBorgwill
> > that be the end of your involvement in the community, or are there
> > other
> > things you want to work on?
> >
>
> Answers:
> a) I have not reviews GFGForgeny further then looking at what Marc
> installed on gfgforgopostgresqlrorgnd what is up on
> wwwwwfgforgerorgWith that said from the surface it's
> ararchitecureooks
> to be similar to Source Forges, the community has a fairly high
> profile
> individual who was also an original member of SoSourceforgether than
> that I really can't say.
>
> b) Everything I have seen looks like GFGForgeunctions the same of
> SoSourceforgeut again it's hard to say since I have not spent much
> time
> on either of those sites over the years.
>
> c) If the choice was made to move away from GBGBorghen I would
> probably
> end my direct involvement in the community after any migration had
> taken place. This does not mean I wowouldn be open to participating
> in
> the community on future efforts. I have always and will always use
> and
> advocate PoPostgreSQLhen I can in my places of work and on other
> projects.
>
>
> Chris Ryan
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* Re: gforge
@ 2003-12-01 21:08 Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2003-12-01 21:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chris Ryan <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Ryan [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 01 December 2003 20:49
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] gforge
>
> I don't actually know who has root access to that VM other than
> myself, and I'm sure Marc, but I think having another person wouldn't
> be a bad idea. If Marc is o.k. with you having that access on that
> machine then so am I. I would also be happy to give you any overviews
> on how the site is generally laid out on the disk.
OK thanks. Probably best if you let me know what sort of chores I can
help out with and what I need to do.
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: gforge
@ 2003-12-01 23:01 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
parent: Chris Ryan <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2003-12-01 23:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chris Ryan <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Chris Ryan wrote:
> I don't actually know who has root access to that VM other than
> myself, and I'm sure Marc, but I think having another person wouldn't be
> a bad idea. If Marc is o.k. with you having that access on that machine
> then so am I. I would also be happy to give you any overviews on how the
> site is generally laid out on the disk.
Go for it, but we really need to get gborg moved over to the new VM :(
Chris, how is your time this coming weekend? Shouldn't take more then an
hour to setup and debug, but I don't know the code enough to do the move
myself ...
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