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* Re: Launching PostgreSQL KB Project Mark 2
@ 2005-12-02 21:58 Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2005-12-02 21:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; +Cc: pgsql-www
-----Original Message-----
From: "Josh Berkus"<[email protected]>
Sent: 02/12/05 21:36:51
To: "Robert Treat"<[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Launching PostgreSQL KB Project Mark 2
> Gee, and you wondered why I thought we need a seperate mailing list? This
> sort of response is *exactly* why.
Trying desparately not to say "I told you so" I very much doubt you have got this response had you raised this here in the first place and not later when persuaded to do so.
Now, perhaps we can put the rocky start to one side and get on with building a knowledgebase?
Regards, Dave
-----Unmodified Original Message-----
Robert,
> This is a joke. If you invite all the people on this list to join that
> list, you haven't actually prevented the "fragile corporate types" from
> interacting with the "grotty techno-luddites" which claim to be so
> important.
Gee, and you wondered why I thought we need a seperate mailing list? This
sort of response is *exactly* why.
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--Josh
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: Launching PostgreSQL KB Project Mark 2
@ 2005-12-02 22:08 Robert Treat <[email protected]>
parent: Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Robert Treat @ 2005-12-02 22:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 16:58, Dave Page wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Josh Berkus"<[email protected]>
> Sent: 02/12/05 21:36:51
> To: "Robert Treat"<[email protected]>
> Cc: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Launching PostgreSQL KB Project Mark 2
>
> > Gee, and you wondered why I thought we need a seperate mailing list? This
> > sort of response is *exactly* why.
>
> Trying desparately not to say "I told you so" I very much doubt you have got this response had you raised this here in the first place and not later when persuaded to do so.
>
> Now, perhaps we can put the rocky start to one side and get on with building a knowledgebase?
>
Apparently not on this list we can't...
Robert Treat
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* Re: Launching PostgreSQL KB Project Mark 2
@ 2005-12-02 22:16 Gevik babakhani <[email protected]>
parent: Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Gevik babakhani @ 2005-12-02 22:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'Dave Page' <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected]; +Cc: pgsql-www
> Now, perhaps we can put the rocky start to one side and get on with
> building a knowledgebase?
Oh please, I have been reading the discussion till now and I just cannot
follow anymore, I think we should settle this on a game of soccer in July
when we gather for the conference.
But for now let us use our valuable resources to continue building/defining
the knowledgebase.
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* Re: Launching PostgreSQL KB Project Mark 2
@ 2005-12-02 22:29 Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>
parent: Robert Treat <[email protected]>
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From: Gavin M. Roy @ 2005-12-02 22:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
I mentioned this to Josh off-list but I am concerned about
introducing yet another technology platform (.net) for PgSQL based
sites. Trying to track down an issue with borg the other day where
something was exploited web software wise, (and seeing how much
"stuff" was on the vm) I would say we should be concerned with
consolidating, not expanding technology dependencies. I know svr2 is
getting cleaned up, but this is more of a philosophy thing. Can
Alexy's framework that runs the main pgsql site work for techdocs/
knowledge base? If not what's wrong with it? Framewerk is nearly
mature enough to be used, but I won't have the time for the next 2
months or more to head up or be a primary programmer on something
like this. I can however offer help and support on the project if
Framewerk is going to be used. If you're interested in knowing where
things are at and what's outstanding for evaluation: http://
svn.framewerk.org/trac.cgi/wiki/Issues - I am proposing this because
unlike moving to .net we already use PHP pretty much everywhere else
(other than the existing techdocs). I would also offer that unifying
the technology used for all the official pgsql sites would be a very
nice thing.
Regards,
Gavin
On Dec 2, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Robert Treat wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 16:58, Dave Page wrote:
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Josh Berkus"<[email protected]>
>> Sent: 02/12/05 21:36:51
>> To: "Robert Treat"<[email protected]>
>> Cc: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Launching PostgreSQL KB Project Mark 2
>>
>>> Gee, and you wondered why I thought we need a seperate mailing
>>> list? This
>>> sort of response is *exactly* why.
>>
>> Trying desparately not to say "I told you so" I very much doubt
>> you have got this response had you raised this here in the first
>> place and not later when persuaded to do so.
>>
>> Now, perhaps we can put the rocky start to one side and get on
>> with building a knowledgebase?
>>
>
> Apparently not on this list we can't...
>
>
> Robert Treat
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* Re: Integration Requirements WAS: Launching PostgreSQL KB Project Mark 2
@ 2005-12-02 23:28 Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
parent: Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>
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From: Josh Berkus @ 2005-12-02 23:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-www
Folks,
While we discuss on the *other list* the business requirements for a
Postgres KB, it would be really helpful to get together on *this* list a
document giving the requirements for projects to be incorporated into the
PostgreSQL.org web infrastructure. Such a document would be very helpful,
as well, to others wanting to add things to the web site.
--
--Josh
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: Integration Requirements WAS: Launching PostgreSQL KB Project Mark 2
@ 2005-12-03 08:21 Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2005-12-03 08:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; pgsql-www
Well, just to start throwing ideas around;
- Moving data; originally we'd looked at exporting from the cms into the filesystem, and having script that did a cvs add/remove/commit over the entire tree, into the main web CVS. This is still preferrable from an 'ease of rebuilding' point of view, but might be easier just to rsync the content from the filesystem of the cms machine to wwwmaster.
- Data format; pages should probably be in our standard template-style XML.
- Navigation; Gevik was working on a tree-style thingy in PHP. Perhaps the CMS could export an XML file describing the navigation tree, which the PHP handler on the main website could use to generate it's treeview in dynamic mode. By accepting some sort of pointer to the currently selected node as a GET value, we should be able to make the tree fully mirrorable.
Thoughts?
/D
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] on behalf of Josh Berkus
Sent: Fri 12/2/2005 11:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Integration Requirements WAS: Launching PostgreSQL KB Project Mark 2
Folks,
While we discuss on the *other list* the business requirements for a
Postgres KB, it would be really helpful to get together on *this* list a
document giving the requirements for projects to be incorporated into the
PostgreSQL.org web infrastructure. Such a document would be very helpful,
as well, to others wanting to add things to the web site.
--
--Josh
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: Integration Requirements WAS: Launching PostgreSQL KB Project Mark 2
@ 2005-12-03 17:35 Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
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From: Magnus Hagander @ 2005-12-03 17:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; pgsql-www
> While we discuss on the *other list* the business
> requirements for a Postgres KB, it would be really helpful to
> get together on *this* list a document giving the
> requirements for projects to be incorporated into the
> PostgreSQL.org web infrastructure. Such a document would be
> very helpful, as well, to others wanting to add things to the
> web site.
Josh, you are doing this backwards. You said it yourself in another
mail, start with the *functinoal requirements*.
At this point, the integration requirements should be "work directly in
the current website without any other product". If this cannot be done,
then we need to look at other products. But we cannot answer this
question until we have the functional specification.
My suggestion therefor - write a functional specification *completely
without considering what technical issues might show up with either
one*, and then we take it from there. And consider doing this on a more
"diplomatic" place than a technical mailinglist for a different project.
One quick comment on Daves mail:
> - Moving data; originally we'd looked at exporting from the
> cms into the filesystem, and having script that did a cvs
> add/remove/commit over the entire tree, into the main web
> CVS. This is still preferrable from an 'ease of rebuilding'
> point of view, but might be easier just to rsync the content
> from the filesystem of the cms machine to wwwmaster.
I think long-term, just dumping the files over is not a managable idea
unless we have corporate committment for maintaining the backend.
Because sure, the website will work, but if the backend goes down nobody
will be able to use any of these uber-cool KB functions that's the whole
reason it exists. It's more like a stop-gap solution.
(Bottom line, of course, I still think this should be *actually
integrated* in the main website, and not just copied over from somewhere
else. If possible. Again, see above point, it's way to early to actually
comment on that now if the project is run that way.)
//Magnus
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* Re: Integration Requirements WAS: Launching PostgreSQL KB
@ 2005-12-04 01:24 Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
parent: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
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From: Bruce Momjian @ 2005-12-04 01:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; pgsql-www
The only comment I have is that I hope those who want a knowledge base
realize it is a huge job, and requires people with technical knowledge.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Magnus Hagander wrote:
> > While we discuss on the *other list* the business
> > requirements for a Postgres KB, it would be really helpful to
> > get together on *this* list a document giving the
> > requirements for projects to be incorporated into the
> > PostgreSQL.org web infrastructure. Such a document would be
> > very helpful, as well, to others wanting to add things to the
> > web site.
>
> Josh, you are doing this backwards. You said it yourself in another
> mail, start with the *functinoal requirements*.
>
> At this point, the integration requirements should be "work directly in
> the current website without any other product". If this cannot be done,
> then we need to look at other products. But we cannot answer this
> question until we have the functional specification.
>
> My suggestion therefor - write a functional specification *completely
> without considering what technical issues might show up with either
> one*, and then we take it from there. And consider doing this on a more
> "diplomatic" place than a technical mailinglist for a different project.
>
>
> One quick comment on Daves mail:
> > - Moving data; originally we'd looked at exporting from the
> > cms into the filesystem, and having script that did a cvs
> > add/remove/commit over the entire tree, into the main web
> > CVS. This is still preferrable from an 'ease of rebuilding'
> > point of view, but might be easier just to rsync the content
> > from the filesystem of the cms machine to wwwmaster.
>
> I think long-term, just dumping the files over is not a managable idea
> unless we have corporate committment for maintaining the backend.
> Because sure, the website will work, but if the backend goes down nobody
> will be able to use any of these uber-cool KB functions that's the whole
> reason it exists. It's more like a stop-gap solution.
>
> (Bottom line, of course, I still think this should be *actually
> integrated* in the main website, and not just copied over from somewhere
> else. If possible. Again, see above point, it's way to early to actually
> comment on that now if the project is run that way.)
>
>
> //Magnus
>
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* Re: Launching PostgreSQL KB Project Mark 2
@ 2005-12-06 05:21 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
parent: Robert Treat <[email protected]>
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From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2005-12-06 05:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Robert Treat wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 16:58, Dave Page wrote:
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Josh Berkus"<[email protected]>
>> Sent: 02/12/05 21:36:51
>> To: "Robert Treat"<[email protected]>
>> Cc: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Launching PostgreSQL KB Project Mark 2
>>
>>> Gee, and you wondered why I thought we need a seperate mailing list? This
>>> sort of response is *exactly* why.
>>
>> Trying desparately not to say "I told you so" I very much doubt you have got this response had you raised this here in the first place and not later when persuaded to do so.
>>
>> Now, perhaps we can put the rocky start to one side and get on with building a knowledgebase?
>>
>
> Apparently not on this list we can't...
One thing to note ... there is nothing stopping this list from developing
and implementing a knowledge base as was originally discussed ... there is
no reason why the "corporate project" that Josh is pulling together has to
be the "Official Project KB" ...
Not saying it shouldn't be, or should ... just that if everyone on this
list is so against it, there is nothing stopping this list from developing
one that is developed by the community, instead of corporate sponsors ...
Basically, if Josh et al wish to develop a KB outside of the community,
there is nothing stopping the community from developing their own within
it *shrug*
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* Re: Launching PostgreSQL KB Project Mark 2
@ 2005-12-06 05:23 Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
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From: Josh Berkus @ 2005-12-06 05:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Marc,
> Basically, if Josh et al wish to develop a KB outside of the community,
> there is nothing stopping the community from developing their own within
> it *shrug*
IN WHAT WAY is pgFoundry "outside the community"?
--Josh
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* Re: Launching PostgreSQL KB Project Mark 2
@ 2005-12-08 01:11 Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
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From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2005-12-08 01:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
>
> Basically, if Josh et al wish to develop a KB outside of the
> community, there is nothing stopping the community from developing
> their own within it *shrug*
>
Although I agree with the spirit of the post from Marc, I would like to
note that the current KB project IS A COMMUNITY project.
Joshua D. Drake
>
>
>
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