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* mailing list moderation of subscriptions
@ 2006-04-25 05:40 Kris Jurka <[email protected]>
2006-04-25 13:13 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
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From: Kris Jurka @ 2006-04-25 05:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-www
I moderate the pgsql-jdbc list and I always leave subscription requests in
the moderation queue so that the user can complete the confirmation as
designed. If they don't confirm after a week or so the request is
dropped. This evening someone approved two subscription requests. This
defeats the whole purpose of the confirmation system. Unless there is
some policy I'm unaware of I'd ask people not to do it.
Kris Jurka
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* Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions
2006-04-25 05:40 mailing list moderation of subscriptions Kris Jurka <[email protected]>
@ 2006-04-25 13:13 ` Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2006-04-25 13:56 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
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From: Bruce Momjian @ 2006-04-25 13:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kris Jurka <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Kris Jurka wrote:
>
> I moderate the pgsql-jdbc list and I always leave subscription requests in
> the moderation queue so that the user can complete the confirmation as
> designed. If they don't confirm after a week or so the request is
> dropped. This evening someone approved two subscription requests. This
> defeats the whole purpose of the confirmation system. Unless there is
> some policy I'm unaware of I'd ask people not to do it.
Uh, are you sure the user is told to subscribe and repost. Last I used
it I don't remember that information.
--
Bruce Momjian http://candle.pha.pa.us
EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com
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* Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions
2006-04-25 05:40 mailing list moderation of subscriptions Kris Jurka <[email protected]>
2006-04-25 13:13 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
@ 2006-04-25 13:56 ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2006-04-25 16:13 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Kris Jurka <[email protected]>
2006-04-27 05:50 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Jim C. Nasby <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2006-04-25 13:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; +Cc: Kris Jurka <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Kris Jurka wrote:
>>
>> I moderate the pgsql-jdbc list and I always leave subscription requests in
>> the moderation queue so that the user can complete the confirmation as
>> designed. If they don't confirm after a week or so the request is
>> dropped. This evening someone approved two subscription requests. This
>> defeats the whole purpose of the confirmation system. Unless there is
>> some policy I'm unaware of I'd ask people not to do it.
>
> Uh, are you sure the user is told to subscribe and repost. Last I used
> it I don't remember that information.
Actually, Kris is referring to ppl sending in a subscribe message, but not
sending back a confirmation ... the list moderator has the ability to
approve such requests, which I general do when I clean out the lists ...
the problem is that I know that I've had issues where that confirmation
mail gets lost as spam (ie. Yahoo's spam features send it to the bulk mail
folder, that I've had experience with ppl losing emails in) ...
But, if Kris wants me to stop, that's cool ... there are other lists I
don't touch ...
----
Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Email: [email protected] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
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* Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions
2006-04-25 05:40 mailing list moderation of subscriptions Kris Jurka <[email protected]>
2006-04-25 13:13 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2006-04-25 13:56 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
@ 2006-04-25 16:13 ` Kris Jurka <[email protected]>
2006-04-25 19:29 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Kris Jurka @ 2006-04-25 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> Actually, Kris is referring to ppl sending in a subscribe message, but not
> sending back a confirmation ... the list moderator has the ability to approve
> such requests, which I general do when I clean out the lists ... the problem
> is that I know that I've had issues where that confirmation mail gets lost as
> spam (ie. Yahoo's spam features send it to the bulk mail folder, that I've
> had experience with ppl losing emails in) ...
I guess my question is why do we have a confirmation at all? If someone
else tries to subscribe me then I have a small window where I can reject
it, but otherwise it will be approved by a moderator?
> But, if Kris wants me to stop, that's cool ... there are other lists I don't
> touch ...
>
I'd appreciate it if you still moderated messages in case I'm travelling
or otherwise unavailable.
Kris Jurka
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* Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions
2006-04-25 05:40 mailing list moderation of subscriptions Kris Jurka <[email protected]>
2006-04-25 13:13 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2006-04-25 13:56 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2006-04-25 16:13 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Kris Jurka <[email protected]>
@ 2006-04-25 19:29 ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2006-04-25 19:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kris Jurka <[email protected]>; +Cc: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Kris Jurka wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
>> Actually, Kris is referring to ppl sending in a subscribe message, but not
>> sending back a confirmation ... the list moderator has the ability to
>> approve such requests, which I general do when I clean out the lists ...
>> the problem is that I know that I've had issues where that confirmation
>> mail gets lost as spam (ie. Yahoo's spam features send it to the bulk mail
>> folder, that I've had experience with ppl losing emails in) ...
>
> I guess my question is why do we have a confirmation at all? If someone
> else tries to subscribe me then I have a small window where I can reject
> it, but otherwise it will be approved by a moderator?
My big worry is ppl slipping through the cracks due to anti-spam filters
... but, you do bring up a good point, why bother with the confirmation in
the first place ...
Anyone else have comments on this? It kinda breaks down into two paths:
1. remove 'confirmation / followup' email to subscribe
2. have moderators just ignore "admin requests"
I don't like 1 myself, as that leaves things open to a dictionary attack
kind of situation, where someone floods the lists with subscribe messages
... but, on the other hand, the way i've been doing things, those would
just get approved anyway ...
*groan* ... I think I just talked myself into 2 ... ignore them ...
>> But, if Kris wants me to stop, that's cool ... there are other lists I
>> don't touch ...
>>
>
> I'd appreciate it if you still moderated messages in case I'm travelling or
> otherwise unavailable.
Oh, for messages themselves, I definitely will ... I'll just skip the
subscribe/unsubscribe/set messages :)
----
Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Email: [email protected] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
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* Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions
2006-04-25 05:40 mailing list moderation of subscriptions Kris Jurka <[email protected]>
2006-04-25 13:13 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2006-04-25 13:56 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
@ 2006-04-27 05:50 ` Jim C. Nasby <[email protected]>
2006-04-27 06:14 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Kris Jurka <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jim C. Nasby @ 2006-04-27 05:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; Kris Jurka <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 10:56:32AM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> Actually, Kris is referring to ppl sending in a subscribe message, but not
> sending back a confirmation ... the list moderator has the ability to
> approve such requests, which I general do when I clean out the lists ...
> the problem is that I know that I've had issues where that confirmation
> mail gets lost as spam (ie. Yahoo's spam features send it to the bulk mail
> folder, that I've had experience with ppl losing emails in) ...
Surely there's got to be a way to tell majordomo to knock that off...
why on earth would a moderator want to see all the subscription requests
that are outstanding???
--
Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant [email protected]
Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117
vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461
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* Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions
2006-04-25 05:40 mailing list moderation of subscriptions Kris Jurka <[email protected]>
2006-04-25 13:13 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
2006-04-25 13:56 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2006-04-27 05:50 ` Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions Jim C. Nasby <[email protected]>
@ 2006-04-27 06:14 ` Kris Jurka <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Kris Jurka @ 2006-04-27 06:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jim C. Nasby <[email protected]>; +Cc: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Jim C. Nasby wrote:
> Surely there's got to be a way to tell majordomo to knock that off...
> why on earth would a moderator want to see all the subscription requests
> that are outstanding???
Because it is also the moderator's job to monitor the
<list>[email protected] address and respond to questions and help
requests from people who are having trouble subscribing. Being able to
see the pending request queue is vital to understanding where
they are in the process.
Kris Jurka
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* Re: mailing list moderation of subscriptions
@ 2006-04-25 19:40 Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Magnus Hagander @ 2006-04-25 19:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; Kris Jurka <[email protected]>; +Cc: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
> > I guess my question is why do we have a confirmation at
> all? If someone
> > else tries to subscribe me then I have a small window where
> I can reject
> > it, but otherwise it will be approved by a moderator?
>
> My big worry is ppl slipping through the cracks due to
> anti-spam filters
> ... but, you do bring up a good point, why bother with the
> confirmation in
> the first place ...
>
> Anyone else have comments on this? It kinda breaks down into
> two paths:
>
> 1. remove 'confirmation / followup' email to subscribe
> 2. have moderators just ignore "admin requests"
1 is, IMHO, a really bad idea. Unverified mailinglist subscription is
*horrible*. It usde to be the norm, and people changed to the
confirmation version to fix the problems. Let's not go back.
If people subscribe, and miss the response, they will notice and likely
go through their spambox.
//Magnus
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