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* Re: Another update on 'portal'
@ 2004-02-14 09:32 Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 10:03 ` development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal') Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2004-02-14 09:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexey Borzov [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 14 February 2004 08:34
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Another update on 'portal'
>
> Well, it took you almost a week *not* to answer to the
> previous --- polite --- email and less than an hour to answer
> to the current one. See my point?
Not really. As I imagine many other ppl do, I set aside time on Fridays
to tie up outstanding items. Also like many of us, I have a job, family
and studies to worry about as well and don't always have time to answer
immediately.
> I consulted the pgsql-www archives and looked at some other
> lists and have seen
> *lots* of polite website suggestions safely and comfortably ignored.
Not on pgsql-www I doubt. On other lists maybe, but then, *this* is the
web list, not them.
> Thus the srategy of writing politely definitely does not work
> with PostgreSQL website team, and I see no real reason to
> pursue it.
The strategy of writing to the right list and being polite does work.
The problem is that people do not forget when you annoyed them the week
before, so vanishing for a while and then coming back as if nothing
happened ain't gonna help.
Now, let's get this straight. Polite please from now on, and if no-one
responds to a message try a polite 'hey guys, I emailed but no one
responded' message. Any further unpleasentness may result in an
unsubscription.
Now, let's not discuss this any further and get back to developing the
website in whatever free time we can find.
Regards, Dave.
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* development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal')
2004-02-14 09:32 Re: Another update on 'portal' Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-14 10:03 ` Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 15:20 ` Re: development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal') Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-02-14 10:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Hi!
Dave Page wrote:
> Now, let's get this straight. Polite please from now on, and if no-one
> responds to a message try a polite 'hey guys, I emailed but no one
> responded' message. Any further unpleasentness may result in an
> unsubscription.
>
> Now, let's not discuss this any further and get back to developing the
> website in whatever free time we can find.
OK, thanks for another lesson in style.
Now back to developing:
1) Have you reviewed the changed 'portal' I posted?
2) Have you downloaded and reviewed the code?
3) What is your opinion? Are you ready to give me CVS access to pgweb and access
to development server?
4) Is there any checklist for rolling out the "new" website?
5) Are you familiar with Jakob Nielsen's writings?
6) Do you know any professional web-designers?
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* Re: development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal')
2004-02-14 09:32 Re: Another update on 'portal' Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 10:03 ` development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal') Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-14 15:20 ` Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 18:09 ` Re: development questions (was: Re: Another update on Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 19:15 ` Re: development questions Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 19:21 ` Re: development questions Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2004-02-14 15:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; +Cc: pgsql-www
It's rumoured that Alexey Borzov once said:
> Now back to developing:
> 1) Have you reviewed the changed 'portal' I posted?
Yes, as I said in my earler reply.
> 2) Have you downloaded and reviewed the code?
No, I have not had time - that is why I asked Andreas for his opinion.
> 3) What is your opinion? Are you ready to give me CVS access to pgweb
> and access to development server?
No. CVS access and user accounts are only given to people following
continued good quality work over a period of time.
> 4) Is there any checklist for rolling out the "new" website?
No - that depends very much on what is required to rollout any new code.
> 5) Are you familiar with Jakob Nielsen's writings?
Nope.
> 6) Do you know any professional web-designers?
Yes. Why?
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: development questions (was: Re: Another update on
2004-02-14 09:32 Re: Another update on 'portal' Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 10:03 ` development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal') Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 15:20 ` Re: development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal') Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-14 18:09 ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 19:01 ` Re: development questions Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2004-02-14 18:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; [email protected]; pgsql-www
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004, Robert Treat wrote:
> > No - that depends very much on what is required to rollout any new code.
>
> Dave, I'm thinking we could probably put his code on a new virtual test
> domain, though I'd like to look through the code more before we get to that
> step, but it seems like a good next step...
In preparation for this, Alexey, is there anything that we need to have
installed? Specific modules that will be needed?
----
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* Re: development questions
2004-02-14 09:32 Re: Another update on 'portal' Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 10:03 ` development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal') Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 15:20 ` Re: development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal') Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 18:09 ` Re: development questions (was: Re: Another update on Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-14 19:01 ` Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 19:54 ` Re: development questions Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
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From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-02-14 19:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Hi!
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>>Dave, I'm thinking we could probably put his code on a new virtual test
>>domain, though I'd like to look through the code more before we get to that
>>step, but it seems like a good next step...
>
> In preparation for this, Alexey, is there anything that we need to have
> installed? Specific modules that will be needed?
Well, the only thing that comes to mind is that gettext module should be
compiled into PHP.
Then PEAR should be installed as well (as HTML_Template_Sigma package is used).
This can be done locally, but PHP 4.2+ is required nonetheless.
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* Re: development questions
2004-02-14 09:32 Re: Another update on 'portal' Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 10:03 ` development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal') Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 15:20 ` Re: development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal') Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 18:09 ` Re: development questions (was: Re: Another update on Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 19:01 ` Re: development questions Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-14 19:54 ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-02-15 07:31 ` Re: development questions Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2004-02-14 19:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004, Alexey Borzov wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> >>Dave, I'm thinking we could probably put his code on a new virtual test
> >>domain, though I'd like to look through the code more before we get to that
> >>step, but it seems like a good next step...
> >
> > In preparation for this, Alexey, is there anything that we need to have
> > installed? Specific modules that will be needed?
>
> Well, the only thing that comes to mind is that gettext module should be
> compiled into PHP.
>
> Then PEAR should be installed as well (as HTML_Template_Sigma package is used).
> This can be done locally, but PHP 4.2+ is required nonetheless.
Done ... and we run PHP 4.3.4 w/gettext by default, so you should be okay
there also ...
t1# pear install HTML_Template_Sigma
downloading HTML_Template_Sigma-1.0.2.tgz ...
...done: 25,765 bytes
install ok: HTML_Template_Sigma 1.0.2
----
Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Email: [email protected] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
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* Re: development questions
2004-02-14 09:32 Re: Another update on 'portal' Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 10:03 ` development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal') Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 15:20 ` Re: development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal') Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 18:09 ` Re: development questions (was: Re: Another update on Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 19:01 ` Re: development questions Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 19:54 ` Re: development questions Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-15 07:31 ` Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-02-15 07:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Hi!
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> Done ... and we run PHP 4.3.4 w/gettext by default, so you should be okay
> there also ...
>
> t1# pear install HTML_Template_Sigma
> downloading HTML_Template_Sigma-1.0.2.tgz ...
> ...done: 25,765 bytes
> install ok: HTML_Template_Sigma 1.0.2
OK then. Now what should we do: will you give me access to the box or should I
prepare the sources for installation and send them to someone?
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* Re: development questions
2004-02-14 09:32 Re: Another update on 'portal' Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 10:03 ` development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal') Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 15:20 ` Re: development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal') Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-14 19:15 ` Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-02-14 19:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; +Cc: [email protected]; pgsql-www
Hi!
Andreas Grabmüller wrote:
> When I saw Alexeys posts, I decided to not answer them - it's difficult for me to have an objective opinion as I simply don't like the way Alexey came in and said "everything you do sucks, what I do is the only right way you can do that". That makes me think "what the hell does that guy want from us?". However, let me try it.
You are unfair to yourself. While the code I inherited could use some
optimisations (and I did optimise some parts of it) I mostly had just to
refactor the existing code, it already worked OK.
> I have reviewed the code and it looks good - most of it seems to work, much of my code has been optimized.
>
> I can't say if this code is good or this code is bad. He did the changes he stated in his mail, and they seem to work and the code techincally looks good (at least better than mine). The question is, do we want to have this changes? I like the template usage and the new path format page.html.{ln}. I personally don't like the usage of gettext as for me this seems to be overhead - before we had a php file containing all variables, now we have several .po etc. files which have to be edited by special software (I think?). All this is just a question of the personal point of view.
Yes, it is the matter of taste. The benefit of having .po files instead of .php
files is (like I see it):
1) .po files are generated automatically and thus it is more difficult to have
the translations that are out of sync due to programmer error.
2) It is not difficult to edit the .po files. There is some special software,
but I just used the same PHPEdit to prepare the Russian translation, as if I was
editing the plain text files.
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* Re: development questions
2004-02-14 09:32 Re: Another update on 'portal' Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 10:03 ` development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal') Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
2004-02-14 15:20 ` Re: development questions (was: Re: Another update on 'portal') Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-14 19:21 ` Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-02-14 19:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Hi!
Robert Treat wrote:
>>No. CVS access and user accounts are only given to people following
>>continued good quality work over a period of time.
>
> and people who we know we can work with in a non-abrasive manner.
Got the point. ;]
>>>4) Is there any checklist for rolling out the "new" website?
>>
>>No - that depends very much on what is required to rollout any new code.
>
> Dave, I'm thinking we could probably put his code on a new virtual test
> domain, though I'd like to look through the code more before we get to that
> step, but it seems like a good next step...
Yes, that's exactly what I want right now --- look through my code.
>>>5) Are you familiar with Jakob Nielsen's writings?
>>
>>Nope.
>
> I am. Actually I used to be the user experience advocate for a large recruting
> company. I've noticed It's tough to convince developers to go with his
> recomendations sometimes :-)
I wanted to know whether the people on this maillist are aware of "usability"
stuff. 'Cause unfortunately the current website badly breaks some of the
well-respected guidelines.
>>>6) Do you know any professional web-designers?
>>
>>Yes. Why?
>
> maybe he has money to hire some one? :-)
No, I don't. ;] But I think that there are some people on the maillists (or some
personal acquaintances) who would be willing to contribute their work for free.
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* Re: development questions
@ 2004-02-15 10:20 Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-16 06:44 ` Re: development questions Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2004-02-15 10:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexey Borzov [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 14 February 2004 19:21
> To: Robert Treat
> Cc: Dave Page; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: development questions
>
> >>>5) Are you familiar with Jakob Nielsen's writings?
> >>
> >>Nope.
> >
> > I am. Actually I used to be the user experience advocate
> for a large
> > recruting company. I've noticed It's tough to convince
> developers to
> > go with his recomendations sometimes :-)
>
> I wanted to know whether the people on this maillist are
> aware of "usability"
> stuff. 'Cause unfortunately the current website badly breaks
> some of the well-respected guidelines.
Well I did user interface design as part of my Masters, but
unfortunately only got an A*, though that was after the site was
designed. I also spend quite some time working in the design offices in
the Oxford University dept of Particle and Nuclear Physics, but that was
creating print output and CAD drawings of course.
> >>>6) Do you know any professional web-designers?
> >>
> >>Yes. Why?
> >
> > maybe he has money to hire some one? :-)
>
> No, I don't. ;] But I think that there are some people on the
> maillists (or some personal acquaintances) who would be
> willing to contribute their work for free.
The one I know is *very* expensive unfortunately, but he has led teams
designing *very* large sites for companies such as a certain large
British airline, and a famous Swiss bank.
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: development questions
2004-02-15 10:20 Re: development questions Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-16 06:44 ` Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-02-16 06:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Hi!
Dave Page wrote:
>>I wanted to know whether the people on this maillist are
>>aware of "usability"
>>stuff. 'Cause unfortunately the current website badly breaks
>>some of the well-respected guidelines.
>
>
> Well I did user interface design as part of my Masters, but
> unfortunately only got an A*, though that was after the site was
> designed. I also spend quite some time working in the design offices in
> the Oxford University dept of Particle and Nuclear Physics, but that was
> creating print output and CAD drawings of course.
Well, what about applying the stuff you learned for improving the website usability?
There are some pretty obvious changes that can be done even to the current
website layout.
>>No, I don't. ;] But I think that there are some people on the
>>maillists (or some personal acquaintances) who would be
>>willing to contribute their work for free.
>
> The one I know is *very* expensive unfortunately, but he has led teams
> designing *very* large sites for companies such as a certain large
> British airline, and a famous Swiss bank.
Heh, I don't think PostgreSQL community will be able to raise *that* much money.
But I looked through pgsql-www archives and there were people offering
professional design for postgresql.org for free. What prevents you from
contacting them?
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* Re: development questions
@ 2004-02-16 08:30 Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-16 09:55 ` Re: development questions Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
2004-02-16 14:49 ` Re: development questions David Costa <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2004-02-16 08:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexey Borzov [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 16 February 2004 06:44
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: Robert Treat; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] development questions
>
> Heh, I don't think PostgreSQL community will be able to raise
> *that* much money.
> But I looked through pgsql-www archives and there were people
> offering professional design for postgresql.org for free.
> What prevents you from contacting them?
As far as I'm aware in all cases we did, though it may have been
off-list. Unfortunately many people don't necessarily expect you to say
"yes please, that would be great - how do you think you can help?"
Also don't forget that -www has manually approved subscriptions, so
these offers on the list you speak of must have come from people that
were already here and helping...
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: development questions
2004-02-16 08:30 Re: development questions Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-16 09:55 ` Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-02-16 09:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www; [email protected]
Hi!
Dave Page wrote:
>>Heh, I don't think PostgreSQL community will be able to raise
>>*that* much money.
>>But I looked through pgsql-www archives and there were people
>>offering professional design for postgresql.org for free.
>>What prevents you from contacting them?
>
>
> As far as I'm aware in all cases we did, though it may have been
> off-list. Unfortunately many people don't necessarily expect you to say
> "yes please, that would be great - how do you think you can help?"
>
> Also don't forget that -www has manually approved subscriptions, so
> these offers on the list you speak of must have come from people that
> were already here and helping...
I don't understand you here, please clarify.
Here is a message from Josh Berkus[1] reading:
"Thirdly, and most importantly: A professional design firm has offered
their pro-bono help with web design (they are PostgreSQL users). Do we
want them involved in the WWW effort, and if so, how?"
It received the following reply from you[2]:
"I think we need some commitment of the work being undertaken by the
rest of the team first - our major problem seems to be that although
we're all basically enthusiastic, we're all pretty busy. I think the
main priorities right now should be v3.0, but then there is also a new
techdocs site to consider as well. So, Andreas, Michael et al. can you
let us know if you have any sort of roadmap for getting v3 live?"
My experience (4 years, in case you wonder) of web-development tells me
that design issues are pretty orthogonal to programming. And if we (ok,
there is no *we* yet) really want to roll out the next generation site,
the design effort can start in parallel to the programming one right
now. I don't also see how the fact of main developers being busy should
prevent the work of outside contributors from happening.
[1] http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2003-12/msg00054.php
[2] http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2003-12/msg00055.php
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* Re: development questions
2004-02-16 08:30 Re: development questions Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-16 14:49 ` David Costa <[email protected]>
2004-02-16 15:18 ` Re: development questions Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-02-16 16:19 ` Re: development questions Robert Treat <[email protected]>
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From: David Costa @ 2004-02-16 14:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Hello Dave, Alexey, everyone!
Just an idea.
If the main issue is time for the www leaders, like you and Marc, would
it help if someone (me) could make a voluntary donation (in money)
which can be used to further enhance some parts of the site? This could
pay your time or Marc's time as if it was a professional assignment.
I am personally work on the XML feature, I should have an alpha version
later tonight. But if the issue is the time, I could make such a
donation.
For the record I am doing this without any sort of hidden benefit. I
work full time as a College Professor so I do not have a development
company who might
possibly benefit from a new website functionality. My gesture is for
the good of the community.
Talking about the PHP world, which I am part of, I think there is a lot
of potential. People are using MySQL because has this myth of being
easier to use, but also
because they do have an excellent documentation (we have that too) and
because of the advocacy work.
I am ready to help out with some intensive advocacy to the PHP world.
If some new website functionality might help, why not ?
Cheers
David Costa
On Feb 16, 2004, at 9:30 AM, Dave Page wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alexey Borzov [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: 16 February 2004 06:44
>> To: Dave Page
>> Cc: Robert Treat; [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] development questions
>>
>> Heh, I don't think PostgreSQL community will be able to raise
>> *that* much money.
>> But I looked through pgsql-www archives and there were people
>> offering professional design for postgresql.org for free.
>> What prevents you from contacting them?
>
> As far as I'm aware in all cases we did, though it may have been
> off-list. Unfortunately many people don't necessarily expect you to say
> "yes please, that would be great - how do you think you can help?"
>
> Also don't forget that -www has manually approved subscriptions, so
> these offers on the list you speak of must have come from people that
> were already here and helping...
>
> Regards, Dave.
>
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* Re: development questions
2004-02-16 08:30 Re: development questions Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-16 14:49 ` Re: development questions David Costa <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-16 15:18 ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-02-16 15:36 ` Re: development questions David Costa <[email protected]>
2004-02-16 16:16 ` Re: development questions Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2004-02-16 15:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Costa <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, David Costa wrote:
> Hello Dave, Alexey, everyone!
> Just an idea.
>
> If the main issue is time for the www leaders, like you and Marc, would
> it help if someone (me) could make a voluntary donation (in money)
> which can be used to further enhance some parts of the site? This could
> pay your time or Marc's time as if it was a professional assignment.
One of the major "problems" right now isn't so much time as it is
appearance of things being done ... right now, Steve and Elein are working
on bricolage to fix/replace the techdocs site ... Andreas(sp?) is working
on some core backend changes for www to deal with language issues ... and
Dave/I just finished some major overhauls of both the search engine and
the list archives ...
Until Andreas is finished, we are kind of holding off on any major
changes that would make his work that much harder ...
Now, from what I've heard/seen of the work Alexey is working on, I've
heard no negative remarks on it, so once the rest is ready, there should
be no problems with upgrading to it ...
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Email: [email protected] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
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* Re: development questions
2004-02-16 08:30 Re: development questions Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-16 14:49 ` Re: development questions David Costa <[email protected]>
2004-02-16 15:18 ` Re: development questions Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-16 15:36 ` David Costa <[email protected]>
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From: David Costa @ 2004-02-16 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
On Feb 16, 2004, at 4:18 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>>
>> If the main issue is time for the www leaders, like you and Marc,
>> would
>> it help if someone (me) could make a voluntary donation (in money)
>> which can be used to further enhance some parts of the site? This
>> could
>> pay your time or Marc's time as if it was a professional assignment.
>
> One of the major "problems" right now isn't so much time as it is
> appearance of things being done ... right now, Steve and Elein are
> working
> on bricolage to fix/replace the techdocs site ... Andreas(sp?) is
> working
> on some core backend changes for www to deal with language issues ...
> and
> Dave/I just finished some major overhauls of both the search engine and
> the list archives ...
>
Great! Still, if at any stage you need some support for a new hard disk
or anything which goes
to PostgreSQL count on my possibility to donate.
> Until Andreas is finished, we are kind of holding off on any major
> changes that would make his work that much harder ...
>
> Now, from what I've heard/seen of the work Alexey is working on, I've
> heard no negative remarks on it, so once the rest is ready, there
> should
> be no problems with upgrading to it ...
>
Sounds great. From my side I am just doing some little experimenting
with XML and I will post something official once I see it working :D
As I said is not something that should be adopted. Just some ideas.
Thanks again for your time,
Regards
David Costa
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* Re: development questions
2004-02-16 08:30 Re: development questions Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-16 14:49 ` Re: development questions David Costa <[email protected]>
2004-02-16 15:18 ` Re: development questions Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-16 16:16 ` Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-02-16 16:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: David Costa <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Hi!
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> One of the major "problems" right now isn't so much time as it is
> appearance of things being done ... right now, Steve and Elein are working
> on bricolage to fix/replace the techdocs site ... Andreas(sp?) is working
> on some core backend changes for www to deal with language issues ... and
> Dave/I just finished some major overhauls of both the search engine and
> the list archives ...
>
> Until Andreas is finished, we are kind of holding off on any major
> changes that would make his work that much harder ...
Well, when I asked about the current todo list about a month back
Andreas wrote[1] that he didn't have time to work on the website since
November and will not have time to work on it for another 2 or 3 months.
That's one of the reasons why I began doing the changes to his code...
[1] http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2004-01/msg00050.php
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* Re: development questions
2004-02-16 08:30 Re: development questions Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-16 14:49 ` Re: development questions David Costa <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-16 16:19 ` Robert Treat <[email protected]>
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From: Robert Treat @ 2004-02-16 16:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Costa <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Monday 16 February 2004 09:49, David Costa wrote:
> Hello Dave, Alexey, everyone!
> Just an idea.
>
> If the main issue is time for the www leaders, like you and Marc, would
> it help if someone (me) could make a voluntary donation (in money)
> which can be used to further enhance some parts of the site? This could
> pay your time or Marc's time as if it was a professional assignment.
>
This would help for me, but unfortunatly not right now as my schedule is full
and I am not taking on any new projects. Before taking on my next project
though I could let you know that I have some availability. It would be
somewhat wierd for me though, as I do a number of things for the community at
no charge in my free time, but it's also true free time competes with paid
time on an unequal footing.
Robert Treat
--
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* Re: development questions
@ 2004-02-16 15:17 Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-16 15:29 ` Re: development questions David Costa <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2004-02-16 15:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Costa <[email protected]>; +Cc: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Costa [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 16 February 2004 14:50
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: Robert Treat; Alexey Borzov; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] development questions
>
> Hello Dave, Alexey, everyone!
> Just an idea.
>
> If the main issue is time for the www leaders, like you and
> Marc, would it help if someone (me) could make a voluntary
> donation (in money) which can be used to further enhance some
> parts of the site? This could pay your time or Marc's time as
> if it was a professional assignment.
Hi David,
This certainly wouldn't help me unfortunately as I have other contraints
on my time at present. What little spare I do have is given freely to
the project.
> I am personally work on the XML feature, I should have an
> alpha version later tonight. But if the issue is the time, I
> could make such a donation.
Umm, just out of interest, what XML feature? The only one I recall
discussing was making the new version of the main site XHTML compliant.
Regards, Dave
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* Re: development questions
2004-02-16 15:17 Re: development questions Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-16 15:29 ` David Costa <[email protected]>
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From: David Costa @ 2004-02-16 15:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www; pgsql-www; pgsql-www
On Feb 16, 2004, at 4:17 PM, Dave Page wrote:
>>
>> If the main issue is time for the www leaders, like you and
>> Marc, would it help if someone (me) could make a voluntary
>> donation (in money) which can be used to further enhance some
>> parts of the site? This could pay your time or Marc's time as
>> if it was a professional assignment.
>
> Hi David,
>
> This certainly wouldn't help me unfortunately as I have other
> contraints
> on my time at present. What little spare I do have is given freely to
> the project.
I understand, no problem ;)
>
>> I am personally work on the XML feature, I should have an
>> alpha version later tonight. But if the issue is the time, I
>> could make such a donation.
>
> Umm, just out of interest, what XML feature? The only one I recall
> discussing was making the new version of the main site XHTML compliant.
>
Fear not, I am working out something for our site which might be used
in the future on the official site too. It's an RSS feature to
syndicate news.
I am not suggesting that this should be implemented at your end but I
will supply the sources to your and Marc.
Cheers
David
> Regards, Dave
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* Re: development questions
@ 2004-02-16 16:07 Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2004-02-16 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Costa <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Costa [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 16 February 2004 15:30
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] development questions
>
>
> Fear not, I am working out something for our site which might
> be used in the future on the official site too. It's an RSS
> feature to syndicate news.
> I am not suggesting that this should be implemented at your
> end but I will supply the sources to your and Marc.
Ahh, that's OK - we did talk about adding an rss feed in the past but
once again, noone had time :-(.
I look forward to seeing it.
Regards, Dave
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* Re: development questions
@ 2004-02-16 16:59 Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-02-17 07:49 ` Re: development questions Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2004-02-16 16:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: David Costa <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexey Borzov [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 16 February 2004 16:16
> To: Marc G. Fournier
> Cc: David Costa; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] development questions
>
> Hi!
>
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > One of the major "problems" right now isn't so much time as it is
> > appearance of things being done ... right now, Steve and Elein are
> > working on bricolage to fix/replace the techdocs site ...
> Andreas(sp?)
> > is working on some core backend changes for www to deal
> with language
> > issues ... and Dave/I just finished some major overhauls of
> both the
> > search engine and the list archives ...
> >
> > Until Andreas is finished, we are kind of holding off on any major
> > changes that would make his work that much harder ...
>
> Well, when I asked about the current todo list about a month
> back Andreas wrote[1] that he didn't have time to work on the
> website since November and will not have time to work on it
> for another 2 or 3 months.
>
> That's one of the reasons why I began doing the changes to his code...
>
> [1] http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2004-01/msg00050.php
>
Don't worry 'bout that, Marc must have missed that message...
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: development questions
2004-02-16 16:59 Re: development questions Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2004-02-17 07:49 ` Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-02-17 07:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; David Costa <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Hi!
Dave Page wrote:
>>That's one of the reasons why I began doing the changes to his code...
>>
>>[1] http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2004-01/msg00050.php
>
> Don't worry 'bout that, Marc must have missed that message...
Yes, that's my impression as well...
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