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* Design Rough
@ 2004-05-12 22:53 Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>
2004-05-13 00:01 ` Re: Design Rough Michael Glaesemann <[email protected]>
2004-05-13 06:29 ` Re: Design Rough Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Gavin M. Roy @ 2004-05-12 22:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-www
This is a very rough concept of an idea I've been toying with for the
new site. Feedback is requested so I can fine tune it. I'm working on
a homepage version of it.
http://ehpg.net/~gavinr/pgsql/template.html
Gavin
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* Re: Design Rough
2004-05-12 22:53 Design Rough Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-13 00:01 ` Michael Glaesemann <[email protected]>
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From: Michael Glaesemann @ 2004-05-13 00:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
On May 13, 2004, at 7:53 AM, Gavin M. Roy wrote:
> This is a very rough concept of an idea I've been toying with for the
> new site. Feedback is requested so I can fine tune it. I'm working
> on a homepage version of it.
>
> http://ehpg.net/~gavinr/pgsql/template.html
I just wanna say Yes! (in the words of Molly Bloom). Sweet, Gavin!
What a wonderful thing to wake up to!
I'll test it in Safari 1.2.1 (v125.1).
One initial possible Safari bug:
Right now the Advertisement box encroaches on the PostgreSQL banner
area when it first loads. As soon as I mouse over the sidenav, it
shifts down so the top of the Advertisement box lines up with the top
of PostgreSQL 7.4.2 Documentation
I'll continue testing and post more comments later.
Thanks, Gavin!
Michael Glaesemann
grzm myrealbox com
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* Re: Design Rough
2004-05-12 22:53 Design Rough Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-13 06:29 ` Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
2004-05-13 06:53 ` Re: Design Rough Michael Glaesemann <[email protected]>
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From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-05-13 06:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Hi!
Gavin M. Roy wrote:
> This is a very rough concept of an idea I've been toying with for the
> new site. Feedback is requested so I can fine tune it. I'm working on
> a homepage version of it.
>
> http://ehpg.net/~gavinr/pgsql/template.html
Looks cool!
Now on to the problems:
1) I suggest doing a fixed (in pt, probably) font-size. Current 'small' has very
different sizes in MSIE 6 and Mozilla (OK in Mozilla, too big in MSIE).
2) Top menu should have a means to highlight the current position. Can you also
paly with making it in some sort of tabs?
3) Search box, mirror selection, language selection.
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* Re: Design Rough
2004-05-12 22:53 Design Rough Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>
2004-05-13 06:29 ` Re: Design Rough Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-13 06:53 ` Michael Glaesemann <[email protected]>
2004-05-13 09:28 ` Re: Design Rough Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Michael Glaesemann @ 2004-05-13 06:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On May 13, 2004, at 3:29 PM, Alexey Borzov wrote:
> Now on to the problems:
> 1) I suggest doing a fixed (in pt, probably) font-size. Current
> 'small' has very different sizes in MSIE 6 and Mozilla (OK in Mozilla,
> too big in MSIE).
I strongly recommend *not* using fixed font sizes. As an alternative,
I'd suggest using alternative style sheets and a css-style switcher. If
people find it too big (or too small), they can easily change the size
for themselves. Using fixed point sizes is a definite strike against
accessibility. Using fixed font sizes prevents people from resizing the
font size using their browsers, among other things.
Here are a couple of links for different css style switching
implementations. They can be used, of course, to do much more than just
change font size.
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/alternate/
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/n4switch/
Michael Glaesemann
grzm myrealbox com
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* Re: Design Rough
2004-05-12 22:53 Design Rough Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>
2004-05-13 06:29 ` Re: Design Rough Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
2004-05-13 06:53 ` Re: Design Rough Michael Glaesemann <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-13 09:28 ` Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-05-13 09:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Glaesemann <[email protected]>; +Cc: Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Hi!
Michael Glaesemann wrote:
>> Now on to the problems:
>> 1) I suggest doing a fixed (in pt, probably) font-size. Current
>> 'small' has very different sizes in MSIE 6 and Mozilla (OK in Mozilla,
>> too big in MSIE).
>
>
> I strongly recommend *not* using fixed font sizes. As an alternative,
> I'd suggest using alternative style sheets and a css-style switcher. If
> people find it too big (or too small), they can easily change the size
> for themselves. Using fixed point sizes is a definite strike against
> accessibility. Using fixed font sizes prevents people from resizing the
> font size using their browsers, among other things.
1) Modern browsers are perfectly capable of resizing the fonts if there
sizes are set in points.
2) Browsers have wildly different ideas about what 'small' and 'x-small'
are. That's why the menu on current PostgreSQL site is readable in some
browsers and completely unreadable in others. Do we want repeating it?
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* Re: Design Rough
@ 2004-05-13 07:40 Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2004-05-13 07:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gavin M. Roy [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 12 May 2004 23:54
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [pgsql-www] Design Rough
>
> This is a very rough concept of an idea I've been toying with
> for the new site. Feedback is requested so I can fine tune
> it. I'm working on a homepage version of it.
>
> http://ehpg.net/~gavinr/pgsql/template.html
Hi Gavin,
To be honest I don't like it as it is right now. There's no clear
identity - the PostgreSQL text sort of floats off in the corner on my
monitor out of focus (not literally, the focus of what draws me to the
page), and the logo is not clear, and makes the text that's over it hard
to read. The initial focal point of any page tends to be the top-left as
that's where we start reading from - I think we need a good solid logo
top-left/middle and then work down from there. That way we clearly
identify the site, and show the user the full logo, allowing them to
more easily associate the elephant logo with PostgreSQL.
In addition, I think the boxes down the side could do with something to
make them less part of the main page - perhaps the background within
them could be a slightly darker shade than the rest of the page
background to clearly separate them from the content.
Sorry :-)
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: Design Rough
@ 2004-05-13 09:33 Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-05-13 09:35 ` Re: Design Rough Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2004-05-13 09:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; Michael Glaesemann <[email protected]>; +Cc: Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexey Borzov [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 13 May 2004 10:28
> To: Michael Glaesemann
> Cc: Gavin M. Roy; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Design Rough
>
> 1) Modern browsers are perfectly capable of resizing the
> fonts if there sizes are set in points.
> 2) Browsers have wildly different ideas about what 'small'
> and 'x-small'
> are. That's why the menu on current PostgreSQL site is
> readable in some browsers and completely unreadable in
> others. Do we want repeating it?
The reason we use x-small etc. is because we got so many complaints when
using other methods such as pt, px, % and so on.
Regards, Dave
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* Re: Design Rough
2004-05-13 09:33 Re: Design Rough Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-13 09:35 ` Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-05-13 09:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: Michael Glaesemann <[email protected]>; Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Hi!
Dave Page wrote:
>>1) Modern browsers are perfectly capable of resizing the
>>fonts if there sizes are set in points.
>>2) Browsers have wildly different ideas about what 'small'
>>and 'x-small'
>>are. That's why the menu on current PostgreSQL site is
>>readable in some browsers and completely unreadable in
>>others. Do we want repeating it?
>
> The reason we use x-small etc. is because we got so many complaints when
> using other methods such as pt, px, % and so on.
::shrug::
I don't strain my eyes only when reading the site in MSIE. Everything
else --- Mozilla, Konqueror --- makes the letters *way* too small.
Of course, MSIE is the winner of the browser wars, so we may just stick
to it.
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* Re: Design Rough
@ 2004-05-13 09:45 Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2004-05-13 09:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: Michael Glaesemann <[email protected]>; Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexey Borzov [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 13 May 2004 10:35
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: Michael Glaesemann; Gavin M. Roy; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Design Rough
>
>
> I don't strain my eyes only when reading the site in MSIE.
> Everything else --- Mozilla, Konqueror --- makes the letters
> *way* too small.
>
> Of course, MSIE is the winner of the browser wars, so we may
> just stick to it.
I quite agree, but after lots of experimentation, the people who had
difficulties for whatever reason were happy.
If it can be done another way that works universally then I have no
problem with that, as long as we don't disadvantage anyone (which is
illegal in the UK now incidently).
Regards, Dave
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