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From: Nathan Bossart <nathandbossart@gmail.com>
To: Corey Huinker <corey.huinker@gmail.com>
Cc: Fujii Masao <masao.fujii@oss.nttdata.com>
Cc: Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com>
Cc: Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Eisentraut <peter@eisentraut.org>
Cc: pgsql-hackers <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: pg_dump --with-* options
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:09:27 -0500
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2025 at 03:35:48PM -0400, Corey Huinker wrote:
> I think this is the exact sort of confusion caused by having two of the
> three types default to on in all circumstances, and one default to off in
> one special circumstance.

I revisited the main thread to see how folks voted.  There are a lot of
messages over a long period of time, and folks may have changed their mind
since, but this is what I saw:

	off-by-default: Mullane, Haas, Davis, Bossart
	on-by-default: Huinker, Lane, Hagander, Frost

In fact, there seems to have been general agreement in 2024 that stats
_should_ be on by default [0].  So perhaps there's not as strong of a
consensus as we thought.  Maybe we should ask for any new/updated votes.

> Let's keep this simple, and have all three types default to on in all
> circumstances.

Assuming we did turn on stats by default, what is the minimum set of new
flags in v18 you'd like to see?

[0] https://postgr.es/m/e16cd9caf4f5229a152d318d70b4d323a03e3539.camel%40j-davis.com

-- 
nathan





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