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* What is the deal with mailing lists? @ 2005-11-30 17:26 Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2005-11-30 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Psql_General (E-mail) <[email protected]>; pgsql-www Hello, Is it me or are we regularly seeing HOURS between posts. It is pretty ridiculous that the archives which are rsynced are regularly ahead of actual mail delivery. Even worse that we can go hours between delivery. At the time of this writing, my last post from hackers is 5:54 AM PST. I was speaking with DarcyB and his was hours before that. DarcyB and I are both mailing list relays... If anything we should get email before anyone else ;) I just checked our relay queue and we only have 33 requests all of which are things like can not reach host. So email that goes through our machines is working. Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.503.667.4564 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, plPerlNG - http://www.commandprompt.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: [GENERAL] What is the deal with mailing lists? @ 2005-11-30 18:22 Jim C. Nasby <[email protected]> parent: Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Jim C. Nasby @ 2005-11-30 18:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>; +Cc: Psql_General (E-mail) <[email protected]>; pgsql-www On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 09:26:18AM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Hello, > > Is it me or are we regularly seeing HOURS between posts. It is pretty > ridiculous that the archives which are rsynced are regularly ahead of > actual mail delivery. > > Even worse that we can go hours between delivery. > > At the time of this writing, my last post from hackers is 5:54 AM PST. > I was speaking with DarcyB and his was hours before that. DarcyB and I > are both mailing list relays... If anything we should get email before > anyone else ;) > > I just checked our relay queue and we only have 33 requests all of which > are things like can not reach host. So email that goes through our > machines is working. I find headers to be very valuable for diagnosing this kind of thing... Received: from mx2.hub.org (mx2.hub.org [200.46.204.254]) by flake.decibel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73E815225 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:20:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from postgresql.org (postgresql.org [200.46.204.71]) by mx2.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9C6D21C11; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:20:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Original-To: [email protected] Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8449DD654; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:19:26 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00611-06; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:19:17 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey- X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey- Received: from hosting.commandprompt.com (128.commandprompt.com [207.173.200.128]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F329DD64B; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:19:15 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.55] (fc1smp [66.93.38.87]) (authenticated bits=0) by hosting.commandprompt.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jAUHDHQa024087; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:13:17 -0800 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:26:18 -0800 It looks like it took a total of 7:20 for that email to make it to me. In a case of pot calling kettle black ;P, it took your machine 5:58 to get it to postgresql.org. Of course that's assuming everyone's clock is in sync, and the clock on the machine you sent the email from appears to be 13 minutes fast. Anyway, next time you're seeing a delay take a look at the headers and see if you can pin down what the bottleneck is. -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant [email protected] Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461 ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: What is the deal with mailing lists? @ 2005-11-30 18:52 Joshua Drake <[email protected]> parent: Jim C. Nasby <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Joshua Drake @ 2005-11-30 18:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jim C. Nasby <[email protected]>; +Cc: Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>; Psql_General (E-mail) <[email protected]>; pgsql-www > > > It looks like it took a total of 7:20 for that email to make it to me. > In a case of pot calling kettle black ;P, it took your machine 5:58 to > get it to postgresql.org. Of course that's assuming everyone's clock is > in sync, and the clock on the machine you sent the email from appears to > be 13 minutes fast. > > Anyway, next time you're seeing a delay take a look at the headers and > see if you can pin down what the bottleneck is. Thank you for that... except that, I was talking about HOUR[n] delays not 13 minutes. As stated in the original email, I am having reports of emails taking much, much longer then 13 minutes and in fact for some odd reason, I still don't have your reply in my jd@cmd mailbox. My current last email from the list was 3 hours and twenty minutes ago but the archives already have them, as does gmail. If this was just me that was having this problem it would be one thing and easily diagnosable (in theory) but it isn't. There are others. Joshua D. Drake -- > Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant [email protected] > Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 > vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461 > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend > ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: [GENERAL] What is the deal with mailing lists? @ 2005-11-30 19:12 Tom Lane <[email protected]> parent: Joshua Drake <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Tom Lane @ 2005-11-30 19:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Joshua Drake <[email protected]>; +Cc: Jim C. Nasby <[email protected]>; Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>; Psql_General (E-mail) <[email protected]>; pgsql-www Joshua Drake <[email protected]> writes: >> Anyway, next time you're seeing a delay take a look at the headers and >> see if you can pin down what the bottleneck is. > Thank you for that... except that, I was talking about HOUR[n] delays not 13 > minutes. Yeah, so ... where's the blockage according to your Received: headers? Personally I've been seeing list turnaround on the order of one minute, across all the lists, since Marc fixed whatever he fixed about a week ago (that was before the server changeover). It would seem that the problem is with a forwarder upstream of you ... regards, tom lane ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: [GENERAL] What is the deal with mailing lists? @ 2005-11-30 19:47 Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> parent: Tom Lane <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2005-11-30 19:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; +Cc: Joshua Drake <[email protected]>; Jim C. Nasby <[email protected]>; Psql_General (E-mail) <[email protected]>; pgsql-www On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 14:12 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > Joshua Drake <[email protected]> writes: > >> Anyway, next time you're seeing a delay take a look at the headers and > >> see if you can pin down what the bottleneck is. > > > Thank you for that... except that, I was talking about HOUR[n] delays not 13 > > minutes. > > Yeah, so ... where's the blockage according to your Received: headers? > > Personally I've been seeing list turnaround on the order of one minute, > across all the lists, since Marc fixed whatever he fixed about a week > ago (that was before the server changeover). It would seem that the > problem is with a forwarder upstream of you ... I actually think I might know one part of it at least. Which is I only whitelist the hub (and my own) relays... Which means if it hits any other relay, then that message will get greylisted. I have asked marc for the other relay ips so I can whitelist them and see if the problem persists. Joshua D. Drake > > regards, tom lane -- The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. 1.503.667.4564 PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: PLphp, PLperl, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 5+ messages in thread
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