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@ 2008-03-05 12:55 Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:05 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Magnus Hagander @ 2008-03-05 12:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-www
What's the difference between "Regional lists" and "User Groups Lists"? I
mean, we have persian pug under regional, but sydney and portland under
user groups... Should we just merge these?
(http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/)
//Magnus
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* Re: List types
2008-03-05 12:55 List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
@ 2008-03-05 13:05 ` Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:29 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:46 ` Re: List types Selena Deckelmann <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2008-03-05 13:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> wrote:
> What's the difference between "Regional lists" and "User Groups Lists"? I
> mean, we have persian pug under regional, but sydney and portland under
> user groups... Should we just merge these?
>
> (http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/)
The PUGs are supposed to be groups working on face to face events etc.
The Regionals are actually a kind of mix of language and
region-speciifc content.
--
Dave Page
EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com
PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk
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* Re: List types
2008-03-05 12:55 List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:05 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2008-03-05 13:29 ` Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:50 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:51 ` Re: List types Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
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From: Magnus Hagander @ 2008-03-05 13:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 01:05:17PM +0000, Dave Page wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> wrote:
> > What's the difference between "Regional lists" and "User Groups Lists"? I
> > mean, we have persian pug under regional, but sydney and portland under
> > user groups... Should we just merge these?
> >
> > (http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/)
>
> The PUGs are supposed to be groups working on face to face events etc.
> The Regionals are actually a kind of mix of language and
> region-speciifc content.
So why is persian pug under regional? Soudns like it's either in the wrong
place, or has the wrong name...
//Magnus
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* Re: List types
2008-03-05 12:55 List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:05 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:29 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
@ 2008-03-05 13:50 ` Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:10 ` Re: List types Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2008-03-05 13:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 01:05:17PM +0000, Dave Page wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > What's the difference between "Regional lists" and "User Groups Lists"? I
> > > mean, we have persian pug under regional, but sydney and portland under
> > > user groups... Should we just merge these?
> > >
> > > (http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/)
> >
> > The PUGs are supposed to be groups working on face to face events etc.
> > The Regionals are actually a kind of mix of language and
> > region-speciifc content.
>
> So why is persian pug under regional? Soudns like it's either in the wrong
> place, or has the wrong name...
Oh, I don't know - stop asking technical questions on the www list :-p
--
Dave Page
EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com
PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk
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* Re: List types
2008-03-05 12:55 List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:05 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:29 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:50 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2008-03-05 15:10 ` Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:12 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
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From: Josh Berkus @ 2008-03-05 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-www; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
Magnus,
> > So why is persian pug under regional? Soudns like it's either in the
> > wrong place, or has the wrong name...
I think it's in the wrong place. Who runs it, anyway?
--
Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL @ Sun
San Francisco
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* Re: List types
2008-03-05 12:55 List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:05 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:29 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:50 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:10 ` Re: List types Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
@ 2008-03-05 15:12 ` Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:20 ` Re: List types Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
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From: Magnus Hagander @ 2008-03-05 15:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www; Dave Page <[email protected]>
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 07:10:59AM -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > > So why is persian pug under regional? Soudns like it's either in the
> > > wrong place, or has the wrong name...
>
> I think it's in the wrong place. Who runs it, anyway?
No clue :-)
But since the list-of-lists is now in a database, it's a simple UPDATE to
move it, once you're sure.
//Magnus
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* Re: List types
2008-03-05 12:55 List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:05 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:29 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:50 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:10 ` Re: List types Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:12 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
@ 2008-03-05 15:20 ` Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:21 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
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From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2008-03-05 15:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; +Cc: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; Dave Page <[email protected]>
Magnus Hagander wrote:
> But since the list-of-lists is now in a database, it's a simple UPDATE to
> move it, once you're sure.
Cool. Should we now have a redirect on http://archives.postgresql.org/,
or something?
Also, should pgsql-announce be on its own category? It doesn't seem
correct to have it under "user lists". IMHO anyway.
--
Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
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* Re: List types
2008-03-05 12:55 List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:05 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:29 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:50 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:10 ` Re: List types Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:12 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:20 ` Re: List types Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
@ 2008-03-05 15:21 ` Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:29 ` Re: List types Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
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From: Magnus Hagander @ 2008-03-05 15:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; Dave Page <[email protected]>
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 12:20:14PM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Magnus Hagander wrote:
>
> > But since the list-of-lists is now in a database, it's a simple UPDATE to
> > move it, once you're sure.
>
> Cool. Should we now have a redirect on http://archives.postgresql.org/,
> or something?
Not yet. I need to chat to you about some things around that one. There are
more things that we need to fix before we can start hacking on that one.
> Also, should pgsql-announce be on its own category? It doesn't seem
> correct to have it under "user lists". IMHO anyway.
Might be a good idea - suggest a name :P "Announcement lists"?
//Magnus
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* Re: List types
2008-03-05 12:55 List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:05 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:29 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:50 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:10 ` Re: List types Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:12 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:20 ` Re: List types Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:21 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
@ 2008-03-05 15:29 ` Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
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From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2008-03-05 15:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; +Cc: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; Dave Page <[email protected]>
Magnus Hagander wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 12:20:14PM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> > > But since the list-of-lists is now in a database, it's a simple UPDATE to
> > > move it, once you're sure.
> >
> > Cool. Should we now have a redirect on http://archives.postgresql.org/,
> > or something?
>
> Not yet. I need to chat to you about some things around that one. There are
> more things that we need to fix before we can start hacking on that one.
Okay, cool.
> > Also, should pgsql-announce be on its own category? It doesn't seem
> > correct to have it under "user lists". IMHO anyway.
>
> Might be a good idea - suggest a name :P "Announcement lists"?
"Announcements"
--
Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
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* Re: List types
2008-03-05 12:55 List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:05 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:29 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
@ 2008-03-05 15:51 ` Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 16:03 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 16:13 ` Re: List types Selena Deckelmann <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2008-03-05 15:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
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On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:29:49 +0100
Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 01:05:17PM +0000, Dave Page wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Magnus Hagander
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > What's the difference between "Regional lists" and "User Groups
> > > Lists"? I mean, we have persian pug under regional, but sydney
> > > and portland under user groups... Should we just merge these?
> > >
> > > (http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/)
> >
> > The PUGs are supposed to be groups working on face to face events
> > etc. The Regionals are actually a kind of mix of language and
> > region-speciifc content.
If we actually have a definition of each list. I would like to see us
include that definition the page:
User lists:
Used for technical questions about PostgreSQL
Regional Lists:
Lists designated to specific geographical regions.
User Group Lists:
Lists for local user groups. Contact them for local PostgreSQL events.
I am sure the wording needs some work, but you get my point.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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* Re: List types
2008-03-05 12:55 List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:05 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:29 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:51 ` Re: List types Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
@ 2008-03-05 16:03 ` Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
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From: Magnus Hagander @ 2008-03-05 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 07:51:53AM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
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> On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:29:49 +0100
> Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 01:05:17PM +0000, Dave Page wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Magnus Hagander
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > What's the difference between "Regional lists" and "User Groups
> > > > Lists"? I mean, we have persian pug under regional, but sydney
> > > > and portland under user groups... Should we just merge these?
> > > >
> > > > (http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/)
> > >
> > > The PUGs are supposed to be groups working on face to face events
> > > etc. The Regionals are actually a kind of mix of language and
> > > region-speciifc content.
>
> If we actually have a definition of each list. I would like to see us
> include that definition the page:
It doesn't right now, but it's easy enough to add it. I'll look at that
once we have agreement on what the categories shuold be :-) (See Selenas
mail)
//Magnus
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* Re: List types
2008-03-05 12:55 List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:05 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:29 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:51 ` Re: List types Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
@ 2008-03-05 16:13 ` Selena Deckelmann <[email protected]>
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From: Selena Deckelmann @ 2008-03-05 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>; +Cc: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> wrote:
> If we actually have a definition of each list. I would like to see us
> include that definition the page:
>
> User lists:
>
> Used for technical questions about PostgreSQL
I like that. Sounds nicer than 'language-specific'. For each list, it
would be good to indicate which language is used.
> Regional Lists:
I think this should be 'Regional Organizations':
Lists for geographical regions, includes non-profit groups and are for
regional coordination and non-technical discussion.
> User Group Lists:
>
> Lists for local user groups. Contact them for local PostgreSQL events.
This sounds good to me!
-selena
--
Selena Deckelmann
PDXPUG - Portland PostgreSQL Users Group
http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx
http://www.chesnok.com/daily
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* Re: List types
2008-03-05 12:55 List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:05 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2008-03-05 15:46 ` Selena Deckelmann <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:49 ` Re: List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 18:37 ` Re: List types Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
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From: Selena Deckelmann @ 2008-03-05 15:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:05 AM, Dave Page <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> wrote:
> > What's the difference between "Regional lists" and "User Groups Lists"? I
> > mean, we have persian pug under regional, but sydney and portland under
> > user groups... Should we just merge these?
> >
> > (http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/)
>
> The PUGs are supposed to be groups working on face to face events etc.
> The Regionals are actually a kind of mix of language and
> region-speciifc content.
Looking over the user group and regional lists, I feel like we need a
new category.
Here's what I propose:
User Groups
* organizing face-to-face meetings, local advocacy. generally
highly-local discussion that is a mix of technical/non-technical
Regional Organization
* larger geographic area, non-profit groups, primarily
non-technical discussion
Language-specific lists
* These follow the model of pgsql-general - providing technical
support and referrals in a specific language: pgsql-es-ayuda,
pgsql-fr-generale and the Persian list *seem* to follow this model.
Alvarro could speak for pgsql-es-ayuda. I *think* pgsql-it-generale
also falls in that category. Gabriele?
Does that division sit well with people? I can offer a patch later on
today for the pages and sidebars.
-selena
--
Selena Deckelmann
PDXPUG - Portland PostgreSQL Users Group
http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx
http://www.chesnok.com/daily
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* Re: List types
2008-03-05 12:55 List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:05 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:46 ` Re: List types Selena Deckelmann <[email protected]>
@ 2008-03-05 15:49 ` Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
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From: Magnus Hagander @ 2008-03-05 15:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Selena Deckelmann <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 07:46:52AM -0800, Selena Deckelmann wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:05 AM, Dave Page <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > What's the difference between "Regional lists" and "User Groups Lists"? I
> > > mean, we have persian pug under regional, but sydney and portland under
> > > user groups... Should we just merge these?
> > >
> > > (http://www.postgresql.org/community/lists/)
> >
> > The PUGs are supposed to be groups working on face to face events etc.
> > The Regionals are actually a kind of mix of language and
> > region-speciifc content.
>
> Looking over the user group and regional lists, I feel like we need a
> new category.
>
> Here's what I propose:
>
> User Groups
> * organizing face-to-face meetings, local advocacy. generally
> highly-local discussion that is a mix of technical/non-technical
>
> Regional Organization
> * larger geographic area, non-profit groups, primarily
> non-technical discussion
>
> Language-specific lists
> * These follow the model of pgsql-general - providing technical
> support and referrals in a specific language: pgsql-es-ayuda,
> pgsql-fr-generale and the Persian list *seem* to follow this model.
> Alvarro could speak for pgsql-es-ayuda. I *think* pgsql-it-generale
> also falls in that category. Gabriele?
(I'm not commenting on this ATM, in the hope that others will)
> Does that division sit well with people? I can offer a patch later on
> today for the pages and sidebars.
It lives in the database as of today, so there's no patch to move these
things around. It's a bunch of UPDATE statements...
//Magnus
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* Re: List types
2008-03-05 12:55 List types Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 13:05 ` Re: List types Dave Page <[email protected]>
2008-03-05 15:46 ` Re: List types Selena Deckelmann <[email protected]>
@ 2008-03-05 18:37 ` Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
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From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2008-03-05 18:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Selena Deckelmann <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Selena Deckelmann escribió:
> Regional Organization
> * larger geographic area, non-profit groups, primarily
> non-technical discussion
>
> Language-specific lists
> * These follow the model of pgsql-general - providing technical
> support and referrals in a specific language: pgsql-es-ayuda,
> pgsql-fr-generale and the Persian list *seem* to follow this model.
> Alvarro could speak for pgsql-es-ayuda. I *think* pgsql-it-generale
> also falls in that category. Gabriele?
>
> Does that division sit well with people? I can offer a patch later on
> today for the pages and sidebars.
Yeah, pgsql-es-ayuda is language-specific and not region-specific in the
way you describe. I would think tr-genel also falls in this category.
It would also seem to make sense to separate PUGs from "regional org"
stuff. Would this mean that the current "Persian PUG" is not really a
PUG but rather a regional organization? Also, I wonder whether the
Persian PUG, or other country-wide lists, should be actually in both
categories.
(With the current rapid growth of PUGs I wonder whether it would be good
to categorize them by country.)
--
Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
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