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* Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-16 14:14 Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Greg Sabino Mullane @ 2008-07-16 14:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pgsql-www -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 I'd like to reiterate my request for some (or better?) spam filtering on the lists. I just rejected over 50 messages to pgsql-bugs, all of them spam and 95% of them would be easily caught by the worst spam filter on the market. The chance of the moderators mistakenly rejecting a legitimate message increases as the volume of spam does. If this is something the project cannot handle for technical/political reasons, there are plenty of third-party spam filtering solutions out there, some of which are using Postgres and would probably be happy to provide the service to us. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [email protected] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200807161012 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEAREDAAYFAkh+AdMACgkQvJuQZxSWSsjv5QCeIuHCak5NoPuYFCIRnUIttcje gDcAoPM7BbVEELLudAGfU3tA0erx0TbT =nywb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-16 15:09 Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> parent: Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Bruce Momjian @ 2008-07-16 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: > I'd like to reiterate my request for some (or better?) spam filtering on > the lists. I just rejected over 50 messages to pgsql-bugs, all of them > spam and 95% of them would be easily caught by the worst spam filter > on the market. The chance of the moderators mistakenly rejecting a > legitimate message increases as the volume of spam does. If this is > something the project cannot handle for technical/political reasons, > there are plenty of third-party spam filtering solutions out there, > some of which are using Postgres and would probably be happy to provide > the service to us. I am confused --- we have no spam filter for the bugs list? -- Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-16 17:01 Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> parent: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2008-07-16 17:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; +Cc: Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 11:09 -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: > I am confused --- we have no spam filter for the bugs list? We do I am sure, I just find that @postgresql.org spam filtering is lacking. I get more spam at my @postgresql.org address than my @commandprompt.com address by far. I have just learned to overlook it. Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-16 18:07 Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]> parent: Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Andrew Sullivan @ 2008-07-16 18:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pgsql-www On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:01:13AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > I have just learned to overlook it. But moderators can't overlook it. We have to troll through piles of it. Much of it is in Cyrillic or CJK, and is just obviously not aimed at the list. We still have to process it. (I say "we" even though I am still unable to send mail from the account I moderate from, and therefore can't do any useful moderating.) A -- Andrew Sullivan [email protected] +1 503 667 4564 x104 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-16 22:35 Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> parent: Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2008-07-16 22:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 14:07 -0400, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:01:13AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > I have just learned to overlook it. > > But moderators can't overlook it. We have to troll through piles of > it. Much of it is in Cyrillic or CJK, and is just obviously not aimed > at the list. We still have to process it. Yeah I thought about it afterword, I moderate announce. I get maybe a dozen a day. Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-17 02:17 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> parent: Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]> 1 sibling, 4 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-07-17 02:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]>; pgsql-www -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Its sad how this is such an ongoing problem, but this is the first that I hear that ppl are having problems ... looking at the message headers for a random few, I notice that they are scoring >4, but just below 5: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.855 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL=-1.994, DCC_CHECK=1.37, DIGEST_MULTIPLE=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.672, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=2.188, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117 X-Spam-Level: **** I can change the quarantining to be >4 if ppl want, which should greatly reduce the # of messages going through ... Thoughts? - --On Wednesday, July 16, 2008 14:07:38 -0400 Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:01:13AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> I have just learned to overlook it. > > But moderators can't overlook it. We have to troll through piles of > it. Much of it is in Cyrillic or CJK, and is just obviously not aimed > at the list. We still have to process it. > > (I say "we" even though I am still unable to send mail from the > account I moderate from, and therefore can't do any useful > moderating.) > > A > > -- > Andrew Sullivan > [email protected] > +1 503 667 4564 x104 > http://www.commandprompt.com/ > > -- > Sent via pgsql-www mailing list ([email protected]) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . [email protected] MSN . [email protected] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkh+q7IACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvPYfQCfchdCwNpL+90T5maoAWZUZttL 97wAoLMRAkqfszOxXojM7YNbUIZBX5ug =9v1h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-17 02:58 Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 3 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2008-07-17 02:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]>; pgsql-www On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 23:17 -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Its sad how this is such an ongoing problem, but this is the first that I hear > that ppl are having problems ... I can only assume you mean "this time". Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-17 03:01 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 3 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-07-17 03:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]>; pgsql-www -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just cleared out the AWL ... going through the stuff label'd as 'non-spam', am finding alot of stuff scoring a bit low due to the From being in AWL ... Does anyone know if there is some 'rule' that return mail about 'Undeliverable' has to be in English? I'm finding some that *look* like that sort of thing, but in other languages / character sets, and wonder if there is an RFC that is meant to direct such stuff 'in English'? (ie. should I be marking that stuff as spam, since *I* can't confirm it isn't?) - --On Wednesday, July 16, 2008 23:17:22 -0300 "Marc G. Fournier" <[email protected]> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Its sad how this is such an ongoing problem, but this is the first that I > hear that ppl are having problems ... looking at the message headers for a > random few, I notice that they are scoring >4, but just below 5: > > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.855 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL=-1.994, > DCC_CHECK=1.37, DIGEST_MULTIPLE=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, > MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.672, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=2.188, > RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117 > X-Spam-Level: **** > > I can change the quarantining to be >4 if ppl want, which should greatly > reduce the # of messages going through ... > > Thoughts? > > - --On Wednesday, July 16, 2008 14:07:38 -0400 Andrew Sullivan > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:01:13AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >>> I have just learned to overlook it. >> >> But moderators can't overlook it. We have to troll through piles of >> it. Much of it is in Cyrillic or CJK, and is just obviously not aimed >> at the list. We still have to process it. >> >> (I say "we" even though I am still unable to send mail from the >> account I moderate from, and therefore can't do any useful >> moderating.) >> >> A >> >> -- >> Andrew Sullivan >> [email protected] >> +1 503 667 4564 x104 >> http://www.commandprompt.com/ >> >> -- >> Sent via pgsql-www mailing list ([email protected]) >> To make changes to your subscription: >> http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www > > > > - -- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) > Email . [email protected] MSN . [email protected] > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkh+q7IACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvPYfQCfchdCwNpL+90T5maoAWZUZttL > 97wAoLMRAkqfszOxXojM7YNbUIZBX5ug > =9v1h > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > Sent via pgsql-www mailing list ([email protected]) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . [email protected] MSN . [email protected] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkh+tfQACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvNU7wCg7XDKErTl3ebHhTeS2o6p6J5Y CscAn1i0bEFAYnHqGTvWmE0XsqjImc+9 =KGUA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-17 12:45 Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]> parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Andrew Sullivan @ 2008-07-17 12:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pgsql-www On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:01:08AM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > Does anyone know if there is some 'rule' that return mail about 'Undeliverable' > has to be in English? Nope, there isn't. The bounce message is intended for human consumption, and therefore localisation is approproate. Note, however, that many of the messages should have a Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; header. See RFC 3462, which obsoletes RFC 1892. RFC 3462 requires a machine-parsable delivery report, and one such report is defined in RFC 3464. Many mail systems (most?) conform to this these days, so just detecting thatt here is a delivery-status header, then parsing the second body-part for "^Action: failed" oughta work. The message/delivery-status content-type MUST be 7 bit, so you can be relatively certain it's not going to be anything but ASCII. (AFAIK, there are no machines left on the Internet that leak 7-bit charsets that are not ASCII). A -- Andrew Sullivan [email protected] +1 503 667 4564 x104 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-17 12:46 Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]> parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 3 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Andrew Sullivan @ 2008-07-17 12:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pgsql-www On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:17:22PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > Its sad how this is such an ongoing problem, but this is the first that I hear > that ppl are having problems I believe I mentioned this before. If you really want me to plough through the archives, I will. > I can change the quarantining to be >4 if ppl want, which should greatly reduce > the # of messages going through ... Sounds like a good idea to me. A -- Andrew Sullivan [email protected] +1 503 667 4564 x104 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-17 15:41 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> parent: Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-07-17 15:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >> I can change the quarantining to be >4 if ppl want, which should >> greatly reduce the # of messages going through ... > > Sounds like a good idea to me. 'k, I'll put it down to 4 tonight, and increase the frequency I check for false-positives accordingly, to make sure that I don't get a big spike as a result ... ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-17 15:54 Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]> parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2008-07-17 15:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]>; pgsql-www Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > >>> I can change the quarantining to be >4 if ppl want, which should >>> greatly reduce the # of messages going through ... >> >> Sounds like a good idea to me. > > 'k, I'll put it down to 4 tonight, and increase the frequency I check for > false-positives accordingly, to make sure that I don't get a big spike as > a result ... Hmm, I think keeping it at 5 is a good idea, seeing how 2 of those were being substracted by the AWL and you've just cleared that. Maybe what we need is a way to remove a particular domain from the AWL instead? -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-17 15:54 Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]> parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 3 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Greg Sabino Mullane @ 2008-07-17 15:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pgsql-www -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 > Its sad how this is such an ongoing problem, but this is the first that I hear > that ppl are having problems ... looking at the message headers for a random > few, I notice that they are scoring >4, but just below 5: ... > I can change the quarantining to be >4 if ppl want, which should greatly reduce > the # of messages going through ... I think that would be a good start, but there are definitely some other problems. First, the example you gave: > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.855 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL=-1.994, > DCC_CHECK=1.37, DIGEST_MULTIPLE=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, > MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.672, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=2.188, > RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.117 A score of 0.001 for HTML_MESSAGE? Might as well not have the check at all. Same with things like DIGEST_MULTIPLE. I think we need more checks, and much higher scores for many of them. I grabbed a few random messages from the bugs list last night. Most interesting was that some had no X-Spam-Status headers at all - does this mean they slipped through the spam filtering entirely? Here's one of them: === Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3148650275 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:40:45 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 48600-04-3 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:40:43 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from wwwmaster.postgresql.org (wwwmaster.postgresql.org [217.196.146.204]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1D565026D for <[email protected]>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:40:44 -0300 (ADT) Received: from wwwmaster.postgresql.org (wwwmaster.postgresql.org [217.196.146.204]) by wwwmaster.postgresql.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6GIehuA007983 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:40:43 GMT (envelope-from [email protected]) Received: (from www@localhost) by wwwmaster.postgresql.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m6GIehIP007982; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:40:43 GMT (envelope-from www) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:40:43 GMT Message-Id: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: BUG #4310: PkMERMInZQ From: "make money on line" <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 The following bug has been logged online: Bug reference: 4310 Logged by: make money on line Email address: [email protected] PostgreSQL version: IUrjkiPgQkQXNgo Operating system: aJzBuaSGetA Description: PkMERMInZQ Details: <a href=" http://www.divinecaroline.com/public/user/profile?user_id=83997 ">work at home jobs 101waystoincome.com</a> ==== Did it get whitelisted because it came from our form? I still think we should scan it - the "make money on line" is a dead giveaway, and when I ran a local spamassassin on it, I even found: 2.0 URIBL_BLACK Contains an URL listed in the URIBL blacklist [URIs: 101waystoincome.com] Here's another one from last night that did have a spam header. I apologize for how long this post is getting, but I'm trying to provide some hard data: === Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB3A64FD01 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:15:20 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 35883-07 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:15:11 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from smtp1web.tin.it (smtp1web.tin.it [212.216.176.195]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECBB64FCE4 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:15:17 -0300 (ADT) Received: from pswm6.cp.tin.it (192.168.70.26) by smtp1web.tin.it (8.0.016.5) id 48623AD8015C5727; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:59:43 +0200 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:59:41 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: "Tajana for(Mrs. Lucy Berg)" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: REMINDER NOTIFICATION Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 62.163.243.54 To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.806 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.806 X-Spam-Level: * REMINDER NOTIFICATION This email is to notify you that your Email Address attached to a Ticket Number(140408) has won an Award Sum of ($500,000.00)(Five Hundred Thousand Dollars)In an Email Sweepstakes program held in The Netherlands these year 2008.Please contact the claim officer through the below given contact information. MR.HANSON CHRIS. TEL. +31-643-502-787. FAX: +31-847-290-539. E-mail:cpinans@aol. nl WINNING INFORMATIONS Ref Number:Nl50286 lucky Numbers: 07,12,24,36,45 Batch Number:EU-175508 Ticket Number:360208 Please forward the above stated winning information to your Claim Agent and do include the following, Your Name: Telephone Number: Congratulations!!! Yours Sincerely, Mrs. Lucy Berg. Public Relation Officer. === The only spam trigger found by postgresql.org was: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.806 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.806 There are numerous triggers in the body of the email that should have boosted the score up. Personally, I'd also like to see SUBJ_ALL_CAPS raised to 3 or 4. So, to reiterate, I'd like to request the following: 1) Spam filtering is run on all messages 2) The default to reject is lowered to at least 4 3) The values get raised significantly for some tests 4) More SA tests get added (are we at least cronning sa-update?) 5) If 3 and 4 are too much trouble to maintain, outsource the filtering to someone who does have the time, or who specializes in it (economies of scale) I did #5 myself years ago, after getting tired of updating SA rules, messing with DNS lookups, blacklists, etc. and now just let maillaunder.com handle it all. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane [email protected] PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200807171149 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEAREDAAYFAkh/atsACgkQvJuQZxSWSsjKKwCg4Pc0SNrYjfUZuJRQZjU6jDHR oc0An0vTdKzfIJ3+CxQXpw7TZyWu0Tb6 =a3/E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-17 18:11 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> parent: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-07-17 18:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]>; pgsql-www On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> >> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >> >>>> I can change the quarantining to be >4 if ppl want, which should >>>> greatly reduce the # of messages going through ... >>> >>> Sounds like a good idea to me. >> >> 'k, I'll put it down to 4 tonight, and increase the frequency I check for >> false-positives accordingly, to make sure that I don't get a big spike as >> a result ... > > Hmm, I think keeping it at 5 is a good idea, seeing how 2 of those were > being substracted by the AWL and you've just cleared that. > > Maybe what we need is a way to remove a particular domain from the AWL > instead? Actually, I was thinking of disabling the AWL feature altogether ... it might make a few extra false-positives to need to release, but I doubt it will make a huge difference ... Maybe disable AWL and leave score threshold at 5 ... ? I can adjust after, based on # of false positives ... if false positives don't go up, then without AWL causes no adverse problems ... then I can look at adjusting score threshold down while watching for false-positives ... ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-17 18:15 Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]> parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2008-07-17 18:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]>; pgsql-www Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Alvaro Herrera wrote: >> Hmm, I think keeping it at 5 is a good idea, seeing how 2 of those were >> being substracted by the AWL and you've just cleared that. >> >> Maybe what we need is a way to remove a particular domain from the AWL >> instead? > > Actually, I was thinking of disabling the AWL feature altogether ... it > might make a few extra false-positives to need to release, but I doubt it > will make a huge difference ... I think that's a bad idea because it'll delay all email. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-17 19:58 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> parent: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-07-17 19:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]>; pgsql-www On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> >> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > >>> Hmm, I think keeping it at 5 is a good idea, seeing how 2 of those were >>> being substracted by the AWL and you've just cleared that. >>> >>> Maybe what we need is a way to remove a particular domain from the AWL >>> instead? >> >> Actually, I was thinking of disabling the AWL feature altogether ... it >> might make a few extra false-positives to need to release, but I doubt it >> will make a huge difference ... > > I think that's a bad idea because it'll delay all email. Wait, i think we are talking about two different things here ... I'm not talking about Greylisting AWL, I'm talking abotu the AWL that modifies the spamscore ... totally different databases ... I'm not touching GreyListing, only spamscore ... ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-17 20:41 Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]> parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2008-07-17 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Andrew Sullivan <[email protected]>; pgsql-www Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > >> Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>> Actually, I was thinking of disabling the AWL feature altogether ... it >>> might make a few extra false-positives to need to release, but I doubt it >>> will make a huge difference ... >> >> I think that's a bad idea because it'll delay all email. > > Wait, i think we are talking about two different things here ... I'm not > talking about Greylisting AWL, I'm talking abotu the AWL that modifies > the spamscore ... totally different databases ... I'm not touching > GreyListing, only spamscore ... Ah, sorry for the noise then -- I see no problem with that. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Spam filtering on the mailing lists @ 2008-07-17 20:48 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> parent: Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-07-17 20:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, July 17, 2008 15:54:41 +0000 Greg Sabino Mullane <[email protected]> wrote: > I grabbed a few random messages from the bugs list last night. Most > interesting was that some had no X-Spam-Status headers at all - does this > mean they slipped through the spam filtering entirely? Here's one of them: > > === > Return-Path: <[email protected]> > Delivered-To: [email protected] > Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) > by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3148650275 > for <[email protected]>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 > 15:40:45 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) > by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) > with ESMTP id 48600-04-3 for <[email protected]>; > Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:40:43 -0300 (ADT) > X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 > Received: from wwwmaster.postgresql.org (wwwmaster.postgresql.org > [217.196.146.204]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id > AB1D565026D > for <[email protected]>; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:40:44 -0300 (ADT) > Received: from wwwmaster.postgresql.org (wwwmaster.postgresql.org > [217.196.146.204]) by wwwmaster.postgresql.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with > ESMTP id m6GIehuA007983 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 16 Jul > 2008 18:40:43 GMT (envelope-from [email protected]) > Received: (from www@localhost) > by wwwmaster.postgresql.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m6GIehIP007982; > Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:40:43 GMT > (envelope-from www) > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:40:43 GMT > Message-Id: <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: BUG #4310: PkMERMInZQ > From: "make money on line" <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 The X-Virus-Scanned indicates it went through Amavis/Maia, not sure why it would have bypassed the spam checker though ... let me check into it to make sure, as I thought both "outbound" and "inbound" was scanned, but maybe just for virus, with the expectation that if you are using a spam scanner on incoming, you aren't sending *out* spam ... - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . [email protected] MSN . [email protected] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkh/sBYACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvMDowCfXL1i6nLlR8u8zsWmJVr4z8Ue r1EAniwfru0hTeNWPliF+nBvANpxOFaf =3zw9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 18+ messages in thread
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