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From: Shay Rojansky <roji@roji.org>
To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
Cc: Thomas Munro <thomas.munro@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Gierth <andrew@tao11.riddles.org.uk>
Cc: Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>
Cc: Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>
Cc: Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Cc: Christoph Berg <myon@debian.org>
Cc: PostgreSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: UCT (Re: pgsql: Update time zone data files to tzdata release 2019a.)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 11:09:54 +0200
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> I'm not sure we're any closer to a meeting of the minds on whether
> consulting zone[1970].tab is a good thing to do, but we got an actual
> user complaint[1] about how "localtime" should not be a preferred
> spelling.  So I want to go ahead and insert the discussed anti-preference
> against "localtime" and "posixrules", as per 0001 below.  If we do do
> something with zone[1970].tab, we'd still need these special rules,
> so I don't think this is blocking anything.

Just want to stress this point from a PostgreSQL driver maintainer
perspective (see here[1] for the full details). Having "localtime" as the
PostgreSQL timezone basically means that the timezone is completely opaque
from a client point of view - there is no way for clients to know what
actual timezone the server is in, and react to that. This is a limiting
factor in client development, I hope a consensus on this specific point can
be reached.

[1]
https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CADT4RqCCnj6FKLisvT8tTPfTP4azPhhDFJqDF1JfBbOH5w4oyQ@mail.gmail...

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