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* postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 16:07 Dave Page <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 9 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Dave Page @ 2008-03-22 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pgsql-www The postgresql.org mail infrastructure is currently deeply intertwined with the hub.org system. This makes it difficult for the 2 non-hub.org people who have access to manage the systems, and means that any problems with hub.org affect us, and any problems caused by us will affect hub.org customers. I propose that we build a replacement mail system, tailored to our needs. This would be built on our existing FreeBSD infrastructure and would be managed by members of the existing sysadmin team including myself, Magnus, Stefan and Marc. Further, it has been suggested that OmniTI may be able to offer assistance. Can I please get a show of hands for and against progressing with such a project? -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 16:10 Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> parent: Dave Page <[email protected]> 8 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2008-03-22 16:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:07:13 +0000 "Dave Page" <[email protected]> wrote: > Can I please get a show of hands for and against progressing with such > a project? > +1. I will donate any time required (and hardware if needed). Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL SPI Liaison | SPI Director | PostgreSQL political pundit Attachments: [application/pgp-signature] signature.asc (189B, 2-signature.asc) download ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 16:15 Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> parent: Dave Page <[email protected]> 8 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Magnus Hagander @ 2008-03-22 16:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www Dave Page wrote: > Can I please get a show of hands for and against progressing with such > a project? +1 //Magnus ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 16:20 Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <[email protected]> parent: Dave Page <[email protected]> 8 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum @ 2008-03-22 16:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pgsql-www On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:07:13 +0000 Dave Page wrote: > Can I please get a show of hands for and against progressing with such > a project? +1 for an own PostgreSQL mail infrastructure. If you need a helping hand, please let me know. Kind regards -- Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum German PostgreSQL User Group European PostgreSQL User Group - Board of Directors ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 16:34 Guillaume Lelarge <[email protected]> parent: Dave Page <[email protected]> 8 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Guillaume Lelarge @ 2008-03-22 16:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www Dave Page a écrit : > [...] > Can I please get a show of hands for and against progressing with such > a project? > +1 for our own mail infrastructure. -- Guillaume. http://www.postgresqlfr.org http://dalibo.com ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 17:39 Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]> parent: Dave Page <[email protected]> 8 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2008-03-22 17:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www Dave Page wrote: > I propose that we build a replacement mail system, tailored to our > needs. This would be built on our existing FreeBSD infrastructure and > would be managed by members of the existing sysadmin team including > myself, Magnus, Stefan and Marc. Further, it has been suggested that > OmniTI may be able to offer assistance. > > Can I please get a show of hands for and against progressing with such > a project? +1 to the project -- assuming that it means a change of infrastructure and not necessarily of tools. I, for one, would oppose changing Mj2 for Mailman, for instance. (However, whether we use Sendmail or Postfix or something else entirely I don't care ...) -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 17:48 Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> parent: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]> 1 sibling, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2008-03-22 17:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:39:34 -0300 Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]> wrote: > +1 to the project -- assuming that it means a change of infrastructure > and not necessarily of tools. I, for one, would oppose changing Mj2 > for Mailman, for instance. (However, whether we use Sendmail or > Postfix or something else entirely I don't care ...) Actually this is a good point. We really should define requirements as part of this, let's not just do it wholesale. Here are a couple: * Software must be open source? * Environment must be managed by the community * Attempt to have admins in each of the following timezones EST PST CET * I believe with those three we have 24x7 coverage * FreeBSD is OS? Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH5UZrATb/zqfZUUQRAj3+AKCTzb0DFBOyxP5RpYCYAB3/HtmhwwCgqa5y PcKNhU5HErqP+qmVjLh8cQc= =fpE7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 17:53 Dave Page <[email protected]> parent: Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Dave Page @ 2008-03-22 17:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; pgsql-www On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:39:34 -0300 > Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]> wrote: > > > +1 to the project -- assuming that it means a change of infrastructure > > and not necessarily of tools. I, for one, would oppose changing Mj2 > > for Mailman, for instance. (However, whether we use Sendmail or > > Postfix or something else entirely I don't care ...) > > Actually this is a good point. We really should define requirements as > part of this, let's not just do it wholesale. Here are a couple: > > * Software must be open source? > * Environment must be managed by the community > * Attempt to have admins in each of the following timezones > EST > PST > CET > * I believe with those three we have 24x7 coverage > * FreeBSD is OS? Please stick to the point of this thread. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 18:02 Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <[email protected]> parent: Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum @ 2008-03-22 18:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pgsql-www On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:48:27 -0700 Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:39:34 -0300 > Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]> wrote: > > > +1 to the project -- assuming that it means a change of infrastructure > > and not necessarily of tools. I, for one, would oppose changing Mj2 > > for Mailman, for instance. (However, whether we use Sendmail or > > Postfix or something else entirely I don't care ...) > > Actually this is a good point. We really should define requirements as > part of this, let's not just do it wholesale. I'm first for checking, if we find an agreement about either creating a new mail infrastructure, stabilizing the current situation or (which i would find pity) doing nothing at all. The next step, if any, would be to find out, if we need a new domain. Because in case of a new domain we have a lot more problems to solve than just the question which software to use. > * Environment must be managed by the community I would say, this question is implicated. If we vote for a new mail infrastructure, this surely not means to give away this infrastructure into the hands of another company, or? Or? > * Attempt to have admins in each of the following timezones > EST > PST > CET That's a job for the sysadmin team, not to discuss here. If we need more helping hands in this team, this can be discussed and solved in another thread. > * FreeBSD is OS? Same thing -> sysadmin team. So let's stay on topic. If we have a decision we can create other mail threads and discuss the details. Thank you & kind regards -- Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum German PostgreSQL User Group European PostgreSQL User Group - Board of Directors ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 19:10 Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> parent: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Bruce Momjian @ 2008-03-22 19:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Dave Page wrote: > > > I propose that we build a replacement mail system, tailored to our > > needs. This would be built on our existing FreeBSD infrastructure and > > would be managed by members of the existing sysadmin team including > > myself, Magnus, Stefan and Marc. Further, it has been suggested that > > OmniTI may be able to offer assistance. > > > > Can I please get a show of hands for and against progressing with such > > a project? > > +1 to the project -- assuming that it means a change of infrastructure > and not necessarily of tools. I, for one, would oppose changing Mj2 for > Mailman, for instance. (However, whether we use Sendmail or Postfix or > something else entirely I don't care ...) Agreed. I think the proposal is to move the FreeBSD jails in their entirety to servers that a community team can manage. -- Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://postgres.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 19:32 Stefan Kaltenbrunner <[email protected]> parent: Dave Page <[email protected]> 8 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Stefan Kaltenbrunner @ 2008-03-22 19:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www Dave Page wrote: > The postgresql.org mail infrastructure is currently deeply intertwined > with the hub.org system. This makes it difficult for the 2 non-hub.org > people who have access to manage the systems, and means that any > problems with hub.org affect us, and any problems caused by us will > affect hub.org customers. yeah - I think this fact adds quite some complexity to the whole system - and keeping things simple is quite often a really good concept. > > I propose that we build a replacement mail system, tailored to our > needs. This would be built on our existing FreeBSD infrastructure and > would be managed by members of the existing sysadmin team including > myself, Magnus, Stefan and Marc. Further, it has been suggested that > OmniTI may be able to offer assistance. > > Can I please get a show of hands for and against progressing with such > a project? well such a project would be a fairly large undertaking and needs to be planned properly - but +1 on the idea of decoupling the hub.org infrastructure from the postgresql.org on at least a logical (ie seperate jails) level. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 19:48 Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> parent: Dave Page <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2008-03-22 19:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; pgsql-www -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:53:31 +0000 "Dave Page" <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Joshua D. Drake > <[email protected]> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:39:34 -0300 > > Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > +1 to the project -- assuming that it means a change of > > > infrastructure and not necessarily of tools. I, for one, would > > > oppose changing Mj2 for Mailman, for instance. (However, > > > whether we use Sendmail or Postfix or something else entirely I > > > don't care ...) > > > > Actually this is a good point. We really should define > > requirements as part of this, let's not just do it wholesale. Here > > are a couple: > > > > * Software must be open source? > > * Environment must be managed by the community > > * Attempt to have admins in each of the following timezones > > EST > > PST > > CET > > * I believe with those three we have 24x7 coverage > > * FreeBSD is OS? > > Please stick to the point of this thread. Sorry I wasn't trying to diverge. Joshua D. Drake - -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH5WKmATb/zqfZUUQRAv8SAJ9iGBCI/WNUU4gNJByoj/EY9MZK2ACghPD7 3dbFnnM7AuBpSTB3dcGEgK4= =Ektg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 20:09 Devrim GÜNDÜZ <[email protected]> parent: Dave Page <[email protected]> 8 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Devrim GÜNDÜZ @ 2008-03-22 20:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www Hi, On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 16:07 +0000, Dave Page wrote: > Can I please get a show of hands for and against progressing with such > a project? +1. -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ , RHCE PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/ Attachments: [application/pgp-signature] signature.asc (189B, 2-signature.asc) download ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 21:00 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> parent: Devrim GÜNDÜZ <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-03-22 21:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Devrim GÜNDÜZ <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www Please note that as much as Bruce seems to be misguided into thinking this has something to do with the WWW setup, it isn't ... changes in this infrastructure will be (and is being) discussed on -core, specifically between Tom, Dave and myself ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [email protected] MSN . [email protected] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 16:07 +0000, Dave Page wrote: >> Can I please get a show of hands for and against progressing with such >> a project? > > +1. > -- > Devrim GÃNDÃZ , RHCE > PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support > Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting > Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/ > ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 21:07 Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Bruce Momjian @ 2008-03-22 21:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Devrim GÜNDÜZ <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www Marc G. Fournier wrote: > Please note that as much as Bruce seems to be misguided into thinking this > has something to do with the WWW setup, it isn't ... changes in this > infrastructure will be (and is being) discussed on -core, specifically > between Tom, Dave and myself ... People ask about all infrastructure issues on this list. If there is an email problem, historically we have talked about it here. Do you want to set this list to moderated like Josh Berkus did with advocacy? (That didn't work out to well, as I remember). You want to set up a move-the-infrastructure email list? (That didn't work out well either.) "Don't like the message, stop them from communicating." I thought we learned from the advocacy debacle. It is true we are discussing this on core too but shouldn't stop discussion here. -- Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://postgres.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 21:13 Dave Page <[email protected]> parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Dave Page @ 2008-03-22 21:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Devrim_G=DCND=DCZ?= <[email protected]>; pgsql-www On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> wrote: > > Please note that as much as Bruce seems to be misguided into thinking this > has something to do with the WWW setup, it isn't ... changes in this > infrastructure will be (and is being) discussed on -core, specifically > between Tom, Dave and myself ... I would argue that it's a sysadmin team issue to resolve (the lead people in that group being you, me, Stefan and Magnus), however, Bruce is correct in that the public side of the sysadmin/infrastructure work does generally end up being discussed on this list. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 21:31 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> parent: Dave Page <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-03-22 21:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: Devrim GÜNDÜZ <[email protected]>; pgsql-www On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Dave Page wrote: > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Please note that as much as Bruce seems to be misguided into thinking this >> has something to do with the WWW setup, it isn't ... changes in this >> infrastructure will be (and is being) discussed on -core, specifically >> between Tom, Dave and myself ... > > I would argue that it's a sysadmin team issue to resolve (the lead > people in that group being you, me, Stefan and Magnus) it would be an easy argument to make too ... ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 21:52 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-03-22 21:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www Just a short top-post here ... as I mentioned before, Dave/Tom/I have been discussing this issue on -core, with it degenerating to 'Dave/I' ... we have a plan to move forward on this based on discussions that actually happened a couple of weeks ago as a percursor to this ... Dave/I will be posting a summary of our scheduale/plan to sysadmins later this evening, as this is an infrastructure, not WWW, issue ... Thank you ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [email protected] MSN . [email protected] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Dave Page wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Please note that as much as Bruce seems to be misguided into thinking >>> this >>> has something to do with the WWW setup, it isn't ... changes in this >>> infrastructure will be (and is being) discussed on -core, specifically >>> between Tom, Dave and myself ... >> >> I would argue that it's a sysadmin team issue to resolve (the lead >> people in that group being you, me, Stefan and Magnus) > > it would be an easy argument to make too ... > > -- > Sent via pgsql-www mailing list ([email protected]) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-www > ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 22:09 Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Magnus Hagander @ 2008-03-22 22:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Just a short top-post here ... as I mentioned before, Dave/Tom/I have > been discussing this issue on -core, with it degenerating to 'Dave/I' > ... we have a plan to move forward on this based on discussions that > actually happened a couple of weeks ago as a percursor to this ... > > Dave/I will be posting a summary of our scheduale/plan to sysadmins > later this evening, as this is an infrastructure, not WWW, issue ... > > Thank you ... Thanks Marc! I appreciate seeing this move forward! //Magnus ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 22:43 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> parent: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-03-22 22:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Magnus Hagander wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> >> Just a short top-post here ... as I mentioned before, Dave/Tom/I have been >> discussing this issue on -core, with it degenerating to 'Dave/I' ... we >> have a plan to move forward on this based on discussions that actually >> happened a couple of weeks ago as a percursor to this ... >> >> Dave/I will be posting a summary of our scheduale/plan to sysadmins later >> this evening, as this is an infrastructure, not WWW, issue ... >> >> Thank you ... > > Thanks Marc! I appreciate seeing this move forward! NP ... I hadn't even realized that our previous talks on this *had* stalled, but I suspect Bruce missed that thread and jump'd in between us having an agreed on target, and actually implementing it ... It happens. ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 22:49 Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Bruce Momjian @ 2008-03-22 22:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Magnus Hagander wrote: > > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> > >> Just a short top-post here ... as I mentioned before, Dave/Tom/I have been > >> discussing this issue on -core, with it degenerating to 'Dave/I' ... we > >> have a plan to move forward on this based on discussions that actually > >> happened a couple of weeks ago as a percursor to this ... > >> > >> Dave/I will be posting a summary of our scheduale/plan to sysadmins later > >> this evening, as this is an infrastructure, not WWW, issue ... > >> > >> Thank you ... > > > > Thanks Marc! I appreciate seeing this move forward! > > NP ... I hadn't even realized that our previous talks on this *had* > stalled, but I suspect Bruce missed that thread and jump'd in between us > having an agreed on target, and actually implementing it ... > > It happens. Frankly, I don't care what the outcome of this is as long as other people feel we are moving forward. -- Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://postgres.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 22:56 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> parent: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2008-03-22 22:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; +Cc: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www > Frankly, I don't care what the outcome of this is as long as other > people feel we are moving forward. Well, considering that Magnus was the one (if I recall correctly) was the one that was advocating the direction that we had decided to take, and he wasn't doing much pushing (which I know he will do if it is taking too long), I suspect that you are about the only one feeling impatient with how fast this was going ... ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-22 23:39 Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Bruce Momjian @ 2008-03-22 23:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Magnus Hagander <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > Frankly, I don't care what the outcome of this is as long as other > > people feel we are moving forward. > > Well, considering that Magnus was the one (if I recall correctly) was the > one that was advocating the direction that we had decided to take, and he > wasn't doing much pushing (which I know he will do if it is taking too > long), I suspect that you are about the only one feeling impatient with > how fast this was going ... After out outage this week, with few people able to help, many of us were frustrated. -- Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB http://postgres.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-23 02:34 David Fetter <[email protected]> parent: Dave Page <[email protected]> 8 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: David Fetter @ 2008-03-23 02:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 04:07:13PM +0000, Dave Page wrote: > The postgresql.org mail infrastructure is currently deeply > intertwined with the hub.org system. This makes it difficult for the > 2 non-hub.org people who have access to manage the systems, and > means that any problems with hub.org affect us, and any problems > caused by us will affect hub.org customers. > > I propose that we build a replacement mail system, tailored to our > needs. This would be built on our existing FreeBSD infrastructure > and would be managed by members of the existing sysadmin team > including myself, Magnus, Stefan and Marc. Further, it has been > suggested that OmniTI may be able to offer assistance. > > Can I please get a show of hands for and against progressing with > such a project? +1 for progressing. Cheers, David -- David Fetter <[email protected]> http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: [email protected] Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-24 21:33 Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Magnus Hagander @ 2008-03-24 21:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > >> Frankly, I don't care what the outcome of this is as long as other >> people feel we are moving forward. > > Well, considering that Magnus was the one (if I recall correctly) was > the one that was advocating the direction that we had decided to take, > and he wasn't doing much pushing (which I know he will do if it is > taking too long), I suspect that you are about the only one feeling > impatient with how fast this was going ... To be fair, the reason I stopped pushing was that I didn't expect it to have any effect. It's not like it's had it before. But that was for getting it started. once it's started and we're in agreement that things should be done, we should be sure to plan it out properly before we actually start pulling things apart, of course! Just so things don't stall... //Magnus ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: postgresql.org mail infrastructure @ 2008-03-26 16:38 damien clochard <[email protected]> parent: Dave Page <[email protected]> 8 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: damien clochard @ 2008-03-26 16:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pgsql-www > > Can I please get a show of hands for and against progressing with such > a project? > +1 -- damien clochard http://dalibo.org | http://dalibo.com ^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 26+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2008-03-26 16:38 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 26+ messages (download: mbox mbox.gz follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2008-03-22 16:07 postgresql.org mail infrastructure Dave Page <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 16:10 ` Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 16:15 ` Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 16:20 ` Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 16:34 ` Guillaume Lelarge <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 17:39 ` Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 17:48 ` Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 17:53 ` Dave Page <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 19:48 ` Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 18:02 ` Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 19:10 ` Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 19:32 ` Stefan Kaltenbrunner <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 20:09 ` Devrim GÜNDÜZ <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 21:00 ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 21:07 ` Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 21:13 ` Dave Page <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 21:31 ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 21:52 ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 22:09 ` Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 22:43 ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 22:49 ` Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 22:56 ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]> 2008-03-22 23:39 ` Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> 2008-03-24 21:33 ` Magnus Hagander <[email protected]> 2008-03-23 02:34 ` David Fetter <[email protected]> 2008-03-26 16:38 ` damien clochard <[email protected]>
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