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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
@ 2004-05-12 18:10 ` Robert Treat <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:12 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites elein <[email protected]>
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From: Robert Treat @ 2004-05-12 18:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
I think PUG implies physical meetings and such, and I don't think the
french community site falls into that category... we do have a link to
it from the main www page though.
Robert Treat
On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 12:46, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Jean-Paul wants a link on the main PUG page to the PostgreSQL French Community
> web site. Is there any reason not to?
>
> -Josh
>
> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
>
> Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites now available
> Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:37:57 +0200
> From: Jean-Paul ARGUDO <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
>
> > but we are ready to have others!
>
> Could you please add a link there to the french community of PostgreSQL in
> France? We setted up a web site too, with a drupal system
>
> at http://www.postgresqlfr.org
>
> > If you have a local group that meets and discusses PostgreSQL, we would be
> > happy to give you your own page to make announcements and coordinate.
> > Contact [email protected].
>
> That is a community of PG users, we dont' meet and discusses physicaly yet,
> may be one day, we're on irc: irc.freenode.net #postgresqlfr...
>
> Is that a problem??
>
> thanks!
>
>
> --
> Jean-Paul ARGUDO
>
> Site perso : http://www.argudo.org
> PostgreSQL : http://www.postgresqlfr.org
> l'APRIL : http://www.april.org
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> --
> Josh Berkus
> Aglio Database Solutions
> San Francisco
>
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> TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
2004-05-12 18:10 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Robert Treat <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-12 18:12 ` elein <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:41 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
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From: elein @ 2004-05-12 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
I think we should err on the side of openess.
That is, we should not restrict the pugs based
on anything except that the organization is
a users group and its primary focus is PostgreSQL.
--elein
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 02:10:31PM -0400, Robert Treat wrote:
> I think PUG implies physical meetings and such, and I don't think the
> french community site falls into that category... we do have a link to
> it from the main www page though.
>
> Robert Treat
>
> On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 12:46, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > Guys,
> >
> > Jean-Paul wants a link on the main PUG page to the PostgreSQL French Community
> > web site. Is there any reason not to?
> >
> > -Josh
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
> >
> > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites now available
> > Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:37:57 +0200
> > From: Jean-Paul ARGUDO <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]
> >
> > > but we are ready to have others!
> >
> > Could you please add a link there to the french community of PostgreSQL in
> > France? We setted up a web site too, with a drupal system
> >
> > at http://www.postgresqlfr.org
> >
> > > If you have a local group that meets and discusses PostgreSQL, we would be
> > > happy to give you your own page to make announcements and coordinate.
> > > Contact [email protected].
> >
> > That is a community of PG users, we dont' meet and discusses physicaly yet,
> > may be one day, we're on irc: irc.freenode.net #postgresqlfr...
> >
> > Is that a problem??
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jean-Paul ARGUDO
> >
> > Site perso : http://www.argudo.org
> > PostgreSQL : http://www.postgresqlfr.org
> > l'APRIL : http://www.april.org
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > --
> > Josh Berkus
> > Aglio Database Solutions
> > San Francisco
> >
> > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
> > TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
>
> --
> Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
>
>
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
2004-05-12 18:10 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Robert Treat <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:12 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites elein <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-12 18:41 ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:54 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites elein <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:54 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Rod Taylor <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2004-05-12 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: elein <[email protected]>; +Cc: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Wed, 12 May 2004, elein wrote:
> I think we should err on the side of openess.
> That is, we should not restrict the pugs based
> on anything except that the organization is
> a users group and its primary focus is PostgreSQL.
Agreed ... but, that does call into question what happens if a group in
French *does* start a "phyiscal get together" user group, and isn't
assocated with the 'web prescense only' one? Does one over-ride the
other?
>
> --elein
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 02:10:31PM -0400, Robert Treat wrote:
> > I think PUG implies physical meetings and such, and I don't think the
> > french community site falls into that category... we do have a link to
> > it from the main www page though.
> >
> > Robert Treat
> >
> > On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 12:46, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > Jean-Paul wants a link on the main PUG page to the PostgreSQL French Community
> > > web site. Is there any reason not to?
> > >
> > > -Josh
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites now available
> > > Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:37:57 +0200
> > > From: Jean-Paul ARGUDO <[email protected]>
> > > To: [email protected]
> > >
> > > > but we are ready to have others!
> > >
> > > Could you please add a link there to the french community of PostgreSQL in
> > > France? We setted up a web site too, with a drupal system
> > >
> > > at http://www.postgresqlfr.org
> > >
> > > > If you have a local group that meets and discusses PostgreSQL, we would be
> > > > happy to give you your own page to make announcements and coordinate.
> > > > Contact [email protected].
> > >
> > > That is a community of PG users, we dont' meet and discusses physicaly yet,
> > > may be one day, we're on irc: irc.freenode.net #postgresqlfr...
> > >
> > > Is that a problem??
> > >
> > > thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jean-Paul ARGUDO
> > >
> > > Site perso : http://www.argudo.org
> > > PostgreSQL : http://www.postgresqlfr.org
> > > l'APRIL : http://www.april.org
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > --
> > > Josh Berkus
> > > Aglio Database Solutions
> > > San Francisco
> > >
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> >
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
2004-05-12 18:10 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Robert Treat <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:12 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites elein <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:41 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-12 18:54 ` elein <[email protected]>
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From: elein @ 2004-05-12 18:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: elein <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Still we should err on the side of openness. So what if
there is one for all of France *and* one for Paris, say.
So what if there is more than one in SF.
The only requirement should be that it be a users group
and have as its primary focus PostgreSQL.
Let people arrange themselves how they will.
--elein
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 03:41:11PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Wed, 12 May 2004, elein wrote:
>
> > I think we should err on the side of openess.
> > That is, we should not restrict the pugs based
> > on anything except that the organization is
> > a users group and its primary focus is PostgreSQL.
>
> Agreed ... but, that does call into question what happens if a group in
> French *does* start a "phyiscal get together" user group, and isn't
> assocated with the 'web prescense only' one? Does one over-ride the
> other?
>
>
>
>
> >
> > --elein
> >
> > On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 02:10:31PM -0400, Robert Treat wrote:
> > > I think PUG implies physical meetings and such, and I don't think the
> > > french community site falls into that category... we do have a link to
> > > it from the main www page though.
> > >
> > > Robert Treat
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 12:46, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > > > Guys,
> > > >
> > > > Jean-Paul wants a link on the main PUG page to the PostgreSQL French Community
> > > > web site. Is there any reason not to?
> > > >
> > > > -Josh
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
> > > >
> > > > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites now available
> > > > Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:37:57 +0200
> > > > From: Jean-Paul ARGUDO <[email protected]>
> > > > To: [email protected]
> > > >
> > > > > but we are ready to have others!
> > > >
> > > > Could you please add a link there to the french community of PostgreSQL in
> > > > France? We setted up a web site too, with a drupal system
> > > >
> > > > at http://www.postgresqlfr.org
> > > >
> > > > > If you have a local group that meets and discusses PostgreSQL, we would be
> > > > > happy to give you your own page to make announcements and coordinate.
> > > > > Contact [email protected].
> > > >
> > > > That is a community of PG users, we dont' meet and discusses physicaly yet,
> > > > may be one day, we're on irc: irc.freenode.net #postgresqlfr...
> > > >
> > > > Is that a problem??
> > > >
> > > > thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jean-Paul ARGUDO
> > > >
> > > > Site perso : http://www.argudo.org
> > > > PostgreSQL : http://www.postgresqlfr.org
> > > > l'APRIL : http://www.april.org
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Josh Berkus
> > > > Aglio Database Solutions
> > > > San Francisco
> > > >
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
2004-05-12 18:10 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Robert Treat <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:12 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites elein <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:41 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-12 20:54 ` Rod Taylor <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:50 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
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From: Rod Taylor @ 2004-05-12 20:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: elein <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 14:41, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> Agreed ... but, that does call into question what happens if a group in
> French *does* start a "phyiscal get together" user group, and isn't
> assocated with the 'web prescense only' one? Does one over-ride the
> other?
What would you do if 3 different French cities started independent
groups?
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
2004-05-12 18:10 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Robert Treat <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:12 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites elein <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:41 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:54 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Rod Taylor <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-12 18:50 ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:34 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2004-05-12 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Rod Taylor <[email protected]>; +Cc: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; elein <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Wed, 12 May 2004, Rod Taylor wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 14:41, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > Agreed ... but, that does call into question what happens if a group in
> > French *does* start a "phyiscal get together" user group, and isn't
> > assocated with the 'web prescense only' one? Does one over-ride the
> > other?
>
> What would you do if 3 different French cities started independent
> groups?
Valid question ... but, IMHO, if we are going to define (and I'm not
saying that we need to) a UG, the one thing that should be defined is
"region of coverage" ... having one UG say that its "for France" is, IMHO,
way way too broad. Never having been there myself, but even if based
centrally in Paris (semi-central to the country, no?), I can imagine it
the country is larger then a 1hr driving radius from there, no?
I think it would be redundant to have two in, say, San Francisco, but not
to have one in SF and one in Berkeley, for instance ...
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
2004-05-12 18:10 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Robert Treat <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:12 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites elein <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:41 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:54 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Rod Taylor <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:50 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-12 20:34 ` Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:50 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:51 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Robert Treat <[email protected]>
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From: Josh Berkus @ 2004-05-12 20:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; Rod Taylor <[email protected]>; +Cc: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; elein <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Marc,
> Valid question ... but, IMHO, if we are going to define (and I'm not
> saying that we need to) a UG, the one thing that should be defined is
> "region of coverage" ... having one UG say that its "for France" is, IMHO,
> way way too broad. Never having been there myself, but even if based
> centrally in Paris (semi-central to the country, no?), I can imagine it
> the country is larger then a 1hr driving radius from there, no?
I think this is way too micro-managed. Who has time for this stuff? Let the
users' groups declare themselves however they want.
I would *love* to have the problem of so many users' groups that they overlap.
May I point out that we currently have 3, and two have yet to have a meeting?
--
-Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
2004-05-12 18:10 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Robert Treat <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:12 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites elein <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:41 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:54 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Rod Taylor <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:50 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:34 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-12 20:50 ` Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 21:03 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
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From: Tom Lane @ 2004-05-12 20:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; +Cc: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; Rod Taylor <[email protected]>; elein <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Josh Berkus <[email protected]> writes:
> I would *love* to have the problem of so many users' groups that they
> overlap.
I agree with Josh. We can sort it out if and when there's actually a
conflict, but at the moment this argument seems pretty pointless.
regards, tom lane
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
2004-05-12 18:10 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Robert Treat <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:12 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites elein <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:41 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:54 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Rod Taylor <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:50 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:34 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:50 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Tom Lane <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-12 21:03 ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 21:15 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites David Fetter <[email protected]>
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From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2004-05-12 21:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; Rod Taylor <[email protected]>; elein <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Wed, 12 May 2004, Tom Lane wrote:
> Josh Berkus <[email protected]> writes:
> > I would *love* to have the problem of so many users' groups that they
> > overlap.
>
> I agree with Josh. We can sort it out if and when there's actually a
> conflict, but at the moment this argument seems pretty pointless.
I have to agree with Robert on this though ... a UG, at least what I think
is the defacto standard for it, is a group that gets together ... linking
to "PostgreSQL related web sites" is not for pug.postgresql.org, or, at
least, shouldn't be ... a 'Related Sites' link off of www.postgresql.org,
yes ...
I'm not so much worried about micro-managing, but there should be *some*
criteria for inclusion, and I think monthly, schedualed meetings should be
a big one ...
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
2004-05-12 18:10 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Robert Treat <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:12 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites elein <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:41 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:54 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Rod Taylor <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:50 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:34 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:50 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 21:03 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-12 21:15 ` David Fetter <[email protected]>
2004-05-13 14:38 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Robert Treat <[email protected]>
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From: David Fetter @ 2004-05-12 21:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-www; +Cc: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Rod Taylor <[email protected]>; elein <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 06:03:45PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Wed, 12 May 2004, Tom Lane wrote:
>
> > Josh Berkus <[email protected]> writes:
> > > I would *love* to have the problem of so many users' groups that
> > > they overlap.
> >
> > I agree with Josh. We can sort it out if and when there's
> > actually a conflict, but at the moment this argument seems pretty
> > pointless.
>
> I have to agree with Robert on this though ... a UG, at least what I
> think is the defacto standard for it, is a group that gets together
> ... linking to "PostgreSQL related web sites" is not for
> pug.postgresql.org, or, at least, shouldn't be
Why not?
> ... a 'Related Sites' link off of www.postgresql.org, yes ...
>
> I'm not so much worried about micro-managing, but there should be
> *some* criteria for inclusion,
Great! How about willingness to be included? At this stage, that's
plenty.
> and I think monthly, schedualed meetings should be a big one ...
Please pardon me while I add in a little reality check to this grand
plan. SF PostgreSQL Users' Group, far and away the largest to date,
has had one once every 2-3 months. According to this "criterion,"
there are no pugs at all right now, let alone three fledgling ones.
Cheers,
D
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
2004-05-12 18:10 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Robert Treat <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:12 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites elein <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:41 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:54 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Rod Taylor <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:50 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:34 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:50 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 21:03 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 21:15 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites David Fetter <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-13 14:38 ` Robert Treat <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Robert Treat @ 2004-05-13 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Fetter <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; Rod Taylor <[email protected]>; elein <[email protected]>
hey look, a dead horse, let's go beat it...
On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 17:15, David Fetter wrote:
> On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 06:03:45PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 May 2004, Tom Lane wrote:
> >
> > > Josh Berkus <[email protected]> writes:
> > > > I would *love* to have the problem of so many users' groups that
> > > > they overlap.
> > >
> > > I agree with Josh. We can sort it out if and when there's
> > > actually a conflict, but at the moment this argument seems pretty
> > > pointless.
> >
> > I have to agree with Robert on this though ... a UG, at least what I
> > think is the defacto standard for it, is a group that gets together
> > ... linking to "PostgreSQL related web sites" is not for
> > pug.postgresql.org, or, at least, shouldn't be
>
> Why not?
>
> > ... a 'Related Sites' link off of www.postgresql.org, yes ...
> >
> > I'm not so much worried about micro-managing, but there should be
> > *some* criteria for inclusion,
>
> Great! How about willingness to be included? At this stage, that's
> plenty.
>
> > and I think monthly, schedualed meetings should be a big one ...
>
> Please pardon me while I add in a little reality check to this grand
> plan. SF PostgreSQL Users' Group, far and away the largest to date,
> has had one once every 2-3 months. According to this "criterion,"
> there are no pugs at all right now, let alone three fledgling ones.
>
they at least have the intention of meeting in person, which I think is
what Mark was getting at.
Robert Treat
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
2004-05-12 18:10 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Robert Treat <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:12 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites elein <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:41 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:54 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Rod Taylor <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 18:50 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
2004-05-12 20:34 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-12 20:51 ` Robert Treat <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Robert Treat @ 2004-05-12 20:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; +Cc: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; Rod Taylor <[email protected]>; elein <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 16:34, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Marc,
>
> > Valid question ... but, IMHO, if we are going to define (and I'm not
> > saying that we need to) a UG, the one thing that should be defined is
> > "region of coverage" ... having one UG say that its "for France" is, IMHO,
> > way way too broad. Never having been there myself, but even if based
> > centrally in Paris (semi-central to the country, no?), I can imagine it
> > the country is larger then a 1hr driving radius from there, no?
>
> I think this is way too micro-managed. Who has time for this stuff? Let the
> users' groups declare themselves however they want.
>
> I would *love* to have the problem of so many users' groups that they overlap.
> May I point out that we currently have 3, and two have yet to have a meeting?
>
Hmm... I thought the criteria was simple... it was a site for user
groups... the french community site isn't a user group, therefore it
doesnt belong in the list for users groups... but whatever, if you guys
feel like adding it go for it, and while you're at it you could probably
add all the other community sites listed on the main page as well.
Robert Treat
--
Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
@ 2004-05-12 18:17 ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2004-05-12 18:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
I can't see any reason why not ...
On Wed, 12 May 2004, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Jean-Paul wants a link on the main PUG page to the PostgreSQL French Community
> web site. Is there any reason not to?
>
> -Josh
>
> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
>
> Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites now available
> Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:37:57 +0200
> From: Jean-Paul ARGUDO <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
>
> > but we are ready to have others!
>
> Could you please add a link there to the french community of PostgreSQL in
> France? We setted up a web site too, with a drupal system
>
> at http://www.postgresqlfr.org
>
> > If you have a local group that meets and discusses PostgreSQL, we would be
> > happy to give you your own page to make announcements and coordinate.
> > Contact [email protected].
>
> That is a community of PG users, we dont' meet and discusses physicaly yet,
> may be one day, we're on irc: irc.freenode.net #postgresqlfr...
>
> Is that a problem??
>
> thanks!
>
>
> --
> Jean-Paul ARGUDO
>
> Site perso : http://www.argudo.org
> PostgreSQL : http://www.postgresqlfr.org
> l'APRIL : http://www.april.org
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> --
> Josh Berkus
> Aglio Database Solutions
> San Francisco
>
> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
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>
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
@ 2004-05-13 14:46 Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-05-13 20:06 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Dave Page @ 2004-05-13 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; David Fetter <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; Rod Taylor <[email protected]>; elein <[email protected]>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Treat [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 13 May 2004 15:39
> To: David Fetter
> Cc: PostgreSQL WWW; Marc G. Fournier; Tom Lane; Josh Berkus;
> Rod Taylor; elein
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL
> Users' Group sites
>
> hey look, a dead horse, let's go beat it...
Sounds like fun...
>
> they at least have the intention of meeting in person, which
> I think is what Mark was getting at.
Well just to chuck in my tuppence worth - I agree; regional sites are
not user groups. 'User group' implies some sort of organised group of
users. A website is no more a user group than Robert's dead horse. Of
course, the group might have their own site (as might the horse), but
that not what makes them a PUG.
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
2004-05-13 14:46 Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-13 20:06 ` Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
2004-05-14 00:58 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Josh Berkus @ 2004-05-13 20:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Guys,
> Well just to chuck in my tuppence worth - I agree; regional sites are
> not user groups. 'User group' implies some sort of organised group of
> users. A website is no more a user group than Robert's dead horse. Of
> course, the group might have their own site (as might the horse), but
> that not what makes them a PUG.
OK, how about an easy compromise,then?
Users' Groups
San Francisco
Portland
Tunesia
-------------------------------------
Regional/Language Groups
French
Brazillian Portuguese
Spanish
I *would* like to have links to the language groups on that main PUG page,
simply to help folks in say, Paris, to build as Users's group (e.g. "Huh? No
Paris PUG? Let me e-mail Jean-Paul and see how many users are in Paris
....")
--
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
2004-05-13 14:46 Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-05-13 20:06 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-14 00:58 ` Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2004-05-14 00:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Thu, 13 May 2004, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Guys,
>
> > Well just to chuck in my tuppence worth - I agree; regional sites are
> > not user groups. 'User group' implies some sort of organised group of
> > users. A website is no more a user group than Robert's dead horse. Of
> > course, the group might have their own site (as might the horse), but
> > that not what makes them a PUG.
>
> OK, how about an easy compromise,then?
>
> Users' Groups
> San Francisco
> Portland
> Tunesia
>
> -------------------------------------
>
> Regional/Language Groups
> French
> Brazillian Portuguese
> Spanish
>
>
> I *would* like to have links to the language groups on that main PUG page,
> simply to help folks in say, Paris, to build as Users's group (e.g. "Huh? No
> Paris PUG? Let me e-mail Jean-Paul and see how many users are in Paris
> ....")
I can live with the distinction as above ...
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
@ 2004-05-14 07:16 Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-05-14 15:10 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Robert Treat <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Dave Page @ 2004-05-14 07:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Berkus [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 13 May 2004 21:06
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: PostgreSQL WWW
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL
> Users' Group sites
>
>
> Users' Groups
> San Francisco
> Portland
> Tunesia
>
> -------------------------------------
>
> Regional/Language Groups
> French
> Brazillian Portuguese
> Spanish
>
>
> I *would* like to have links to the language groups on that
> main PUG page, simply to help folks in say, Paris, to build
> as Users's group (e.g. "Huh? No Paris PUG? Let me e-mail
> Jean-Paul and see how many users are in Paris
> ....")
Unless I'm missing something, the point is that they are not 'groups',
they're just regional websites. I've got nothing against giving them
space as they give valuable service, but lets not tout them as something
they aren't.
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
2004-05-14 07:16 Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Dave Page <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-14 15:10 ` Robert Treat <[email protected]>
2004-05-14 16:04 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Robert Treat @ 2004-05-14 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 03:16, Dave Page wrote:
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Josh Berkus [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: 13 May 2004 21:06
> > To: Dave Page
> > Cc: PostgreSQL WWW
> > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL
> > Users' Group sites
> >
> >
> > Users' Groups
> > San Francisco
> > Portland
> > Tunesia
> >
> > -------------------------------------
> >
> > Regional/Language Groups
> > French
> > Brazillian Portuguese
> > Spanish
> >
> >
> > I *would* like to have links to the language groups on that
> > main PUG page, simply to help folks in say, Paris, to build
> > as Users's group (e.g. "Huh? No Paris PUG? Let me e-mail
> > Jean-Paul and see how many users are in Paris
> > ....")
>
> Unless I'm missing something, the point is that they are not 'groups',
> they're just regional websites. I've got nothing against giving them
> space as they give valuable service, but lets not tout them as something
> they aren't.
>
to parlay from the main page how about... "International Communities"
Robert Treat
--
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* Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites
2004-05-14 07:16 Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Dave Page <[email protected]>
2004-05-14 15:10 ` Re: Fwd: Re: [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Users' Group sites Robert Treat <[email protected]>
@ 2004-05-14 16:04 ` Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Peter Eisentraut @ 2004-05-14 16:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Am Freitag, 14. Mai 2004 17:10 schrieb Robert Treat:
> to parlay from the main page how about... "International Communities"
The PostgreSQL community is already an international community, so this does
not offer any distinction.
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