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* Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-06 15:14 Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-03-06 15:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-www
Hi!
http://www.alexey.beta.postgresql.org/ is finally working, I did a local
PEAR installation for the time being...
Tarball of the current sources:
http://www.alexey.beta.postgresql.org/files/portal.tar.gz
Diff against the current CVS:
http://www.alexey.beta.postgresql.org/files/portal.diff.gz
Someone with the CVS write access may consider reviewing and applying
the diff.
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-06 19:19 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
parent: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2004-03-06 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Alexey Borzov wrote:
> Hi!
>
> http://www.alexey.beta.postgresql.org/ is finally working, I did a local
> PEAR installation for the time being...
d'oh, which one was I missing again? :(
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-06 20:31 Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-03-06 20:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Hi!
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>>http://www.alexey.beta.postgresql.org/ is finally working, I did a local
>>PEAR installation for the time being...
>
> d'oh, which one was I missing again? :(
It was my mail, probably. ;]
After you fixed mod_rewrite on test server, I found out that HTML_Template_Sigma
package was missing...
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-06 20:45 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
parent: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2004-03-06 20:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
done:
t2# pear install HTML_Template_Sigma
downloading HTML_Template_Sigma-1.0.2.tgz ...
...done: 25,765 bytes
install ok: HTML_Template_Sigma 1.0.2
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Alexey Borzov wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> >>http://www.alexey.beta.postgresql.org/ is finally working, I did a local
> >>PEAR installation for the time being...
> >
> > d'oh, which one was I missing again? :(
>
> It was my mail, probably. ;]
> After you fixed mod_rewrite on test server, I found out that HTML_Template_Sigma
> package was missing...
>
>
----
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-08 10:31 Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2004-03-08 10:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexey Borzov [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 06 March 2004 15:14
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [pgsql-www] Update on 'portal' changes
>
> Hi!
>
> http://www.alexey.beta.postgresql.org/ is finally working, I
> did a local PEAR installation for the time being...
>
> Tarball of the current sources:
> http://www.alexey.beta.postgresql.org/files/portal.tar.gz
>
> Diff against the current CVS:
> http://www.alexey.beta.postgresql.org/files/portal.diff.gz
>
> Someone with the CVS write access may consider reviewing and
> applying the diff.
Thanks Alexey, patch applied.
Note that I've only briefly looked at it due to time contraints, but as
this cvs module isn't live yet it didn't make much sense to leave it
unapplied any longer.
If that makes any sense at all....
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-08 10:36 David Costa <[email protected]>
parent: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: David Costa @ 2004-03-08 10:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Hello Alexey,
just a short note of appreciation for your hard work. Well done, kudos
:D
Cheers
David
On Mar 6, 2004, at 4:14 PM, Alexey Borzov wrote:
> Hi!
>
> http://www.alexey.beta.postgresql.org/ is finally working, I did a
> local PEAR installation for the time being...
>
> Tarball of the current sources:
> http://www.alexey.beta.postgresql.org/files/portal.tar.gz
>
> Diff against the current CVS:
> http://www.alexey.beta.postgresql.org/files/portal.diff.gz
>
> Someone with the CVS write access may consider reviewing and applying
> the diff.
>
>
> ---------------------------(end of
> broadcast)---------------------------
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-08 17:03 Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
parent: Dave Page <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-03-08 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Hi!
Dave Page wrote:
> Note that I've only briefly looked at it due to time contraints, but as
> this cvs module isn't live yet it didn't make much sense to leave it
> unapplied any longer.
>
> If that makes any sense at all....
Speaking of which, what is the real reason for keeping the current website and
the "next-generation" one in one project?
Maybe a better approach would be to register a separate project for the
next-generation website (I think this was already proposed here)?
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-08 17:05 Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2004-03-08 17:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexey Borzov [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 08 March 2004 17:03
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Update on 'portal' changes
>
>
> Speaking of which, what is the real reason for keeping the
> current website and the "next-generation" one in one project?
>
> Maybe a better approach would be to register a separate
> project for the next-generation website (I think this was
> already proposed here)?
Because the project is for all the websites, not just the one you are
working on.
We *have* created a separate CVS module which should be more than enough
segregation.
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-08 17:11 Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
parent: Dave Page <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-03-08 17:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Hi!
Dave Page wrote:
>>Speaking of which, what is the real reason for keeping the
>>current website and the "next-generation" one in one project?
>>
>>Maybe a better approach would be to register a separate
>>project for the next-generation website (I think this was
>>already proposed here)?
>
> Because the project is for all the websites, not just the one you are
> working on.
OK, let's paraphrase: what is the reason for having one project for all websites
instead of one project per website? I got the impression that *different*
developers work on different websites...
> We *have* created a separate CVS module which should be more than enough
> segregation.
Can CVS write access be given for this module only?
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-08 17:18 Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2004-03-08 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexey Borzov [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 08 March 2004 17:11
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Update on 'portal' changes
>
>
> OK, let's paraphrase: what is the reason for having one
> project for all websites instead of one project per website?
> I got the impression that *different* developers work on
> different websites...
Only recently. In the past that was not so much the case.
> > We *have* created a separate CVS module which should be more than
> > enough segregation.
>
> Can CVS write access be given for this module only?
No, unfortunately not.
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-08 17:33 Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
parent: Dave Page <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-03-08 17:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Hi!
Dave Page wrote:
>>>We *have* created a separate CVS module which should be more than
>>>enough segregation.
>>
>>Can CVS write access be given for this module only?
>
> No, unfortunately not.
::sigh::
Then this does not sound like "enough segregation".
What exactly are the reasons against the new project?
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-08 17:45 Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
parent: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Josh Berkus @ 2004-03-08 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Alexey,
> OK, let's paraphrase: what is the reason for having one project for all
websites
> instead of one project per website? I got the impression that *different*
> developers work on different websites...
Well, GForge/GBorg is seperate. Techdocs should be generated by Bricolage.
PGFoundation is apparently going to be seperate. Advocacy should be going
away as soon as the foundation gets its act together. General Bits is
hosted & adminned by Elein.
What else is there?
--
-Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* On pgweb project (Re: Update on 'portal' changes)
@ 2004-03-08 20:49 Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
parent: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
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From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-03-08 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Hi!
Josh Berkus wrote:
>>OK, let's paraphrase: what is the reason for having one project for all
>
> websites
>
>>instead of one project per website? I got the impression that *different*
>>developers work on different websites...
>
>
> Well, GForge/GBorg is seperate. Techdocs should be generated by Bricolage.
> PGFoundation is apparently going to be seperate. Advocacy should be going
> away as soon as the foundation gets its act together. General Bits is
> hosted & adminned by Elein.
>
> What else is there?
Well, currently pgweb project has "This project is the development home of the
PostgreSQL website, www.postgresql.org" as description, but its CVS has
directories for current www.postgresql.org (www), techdocs, advocacy and dir for
a "new" postgresql.org (portal).
I'd rather work on the "new" code in a separate project, where there would be no
problems related to giving me CVS access to current code and where it would be
possible to use available issue trackers.
BTW, why doesn't gborg accept new members?
http://gborg.postgresql.org/member/memjoin.php
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* Re: On pgweb project (Re: Update on 'portal' changes)
@ 2004-03-08 20:55 Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
parent: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Josh Berkus @ 2004-03-08 20:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Alexey,
> BTW, why doesn't gborg accept new members?
> http://gborg.postgresql.org/member/memjoin.php
Ooops! This was temporary while we were copying users to the new PGFoundry;
it needs to be turned back to regular with a warning.
--
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* Re: On pgweb project (Re: Update on 'portal' changes)
@ 2004-03-08 21:20 Chris Ryan <[email protected]>
parent: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Chris Ryan @ 2004-03-08 21:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
I'll echo the 'Ooops!'. Turned back on. Any suggestions about what
the message should be? Additionally project submissions were disabled.
Should these be turned back on as well?
Chris Ryan
--- Josh Berkus <[email protected]> wrote:
> Alexey,
>
> > BTW, why doesn't gborg accept new members?
> > http://gborg.postgresql.org/member/memjoin.php
>
> Ooops! This was temporary while we were copying users to the new
> PGFoundry;
> it needs to be turned back to regular with a warning.
>
> --
> -Josh Berkus
>
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>
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* Re: On pgweb project (Re: Update on 'portal' changes)
@ 2004-03-08 21:24 Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
parent: Chris Ryan <[email protected]>
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From: Josh Berkus @ 2004-03-08 21:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chris Ryan <[email protected]>; Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Chris,
> I'll echo the 'Ooops!'. Turned back on. Any suggestions about what
> the message should be? Additionally project submissions were disabled.
> Should these be turned back on as well?
No, I think new projects should say:
"We are currently planning on migrating from GBorg to a new development
platform. We expect to have the new site online in about a week. Please
hold your new project idea until then. Contact josh (at) postgresql (dot)
org for more information if you need it."
The new warning on GBorg members should wait until pgFoundry is live, and then
say:
WARNING: members who join GBorg at this point will have to join pgFoundry
seperately.
--
-Josh Berkus
______AGLIO DATABASE SOLUTIONS___________________________
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-08 22:09 Robert Treat <[email protected]>
parent: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Robert Treat @ 2004-03-08 22:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 12:33, Alexey Borzov wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Dave Page wrote:
> >>>We *have* created a separate CVS module which should be more than
> >>>enough segregation.
> >>
> >>Can CVS write access be given for this module only?
> >
> > No, unfortunately not.
>
> ::sigh::
> Then this does not sound like "enough segregation".
>
> What exactly are the reasons against the new project?
>
In the past website development has been segregated and because of that
interaction between the various groups has suffered. (Kind of like how
everyone complains that all of the sites look different and things like
that) The hope is that by uniting them under one project we can get some
coordination working between the folks involved at each site, and even
better would be to have everyone involved to actually contribute to each
site. (A good example right now is I have 4 or 5 minor changes I need to
make on techdocs that I just haven't had time to do)
As a side note, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to giving you (Alexy)
cvs commit privileges except that you have a tendency to fly off the
handle that makes me a little bit nervous...
Robert Treat
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-08 22:20 David Costa <[email protected]>
parent: Robert Treat <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: David Costa @ 2004-03-08 22:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Mar 8, 2004, at 11:09 PM, Robert Treat wrote:
>
> As a side note, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to giving you (Alexy)
> cvs commit privileges except that you have a tendency to fly off the
> handle that makes me a little bit nervous...
Hello Robert,
I think that Alexey deserve some trust. He has already write access to
a great deal of PEAR source modules
(http://pear.php.net/user/avb) or the whole PEAR three and I would
never imagine a reason to mess up anything.
I would say +1. He might not be very diplomatic, but if he can save
you/the web team some valuable time, why not ?
BTW
Is the gborg feed going live sometime soon ? (no, I am not asking
for CVS access :) )
All the best
Regards,
David Costa, PHP-PostgreSQL Advocacy team http://postgresql.org
david at postgresql ddoot org gurugeek att php dot net
$dsn = 'pgsql://world:most_advanced@localhost/open_source_database';
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-08 23:16 Robert Treat <[email protected]>
parent: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Robert Treat @ 2004-03-08 23:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 12:45, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Alexey,
>
> > OK, let's paraphrase: what is the reason for having one project for all
> websites
> > instead of one project per website? I got the impression that *different*
> > developers work on different websites...
>
> Well, GForge/GBorg is seperate. Techdocs should be generated by Bricolage.
speaking of do you have a status update on that? a couple of weeks back
i mentioned doing an overhaul to the techdocs code in cvs and you said
not to bother since it was going away... well, it's still there, so can
I push forward with my cvs changes or are you pretty close to being
done?
> PGFoundation is apparently going to be seperate. Advocacy should be going
> away as soon as the foundation gets its act together.
Actually Advocacy is waiting on the next generation portal stuff... not
the foundation stuff.
General Bits is
> hosted & adminned by Elein.
>
And it's a completely separate and independent site from the PostgreSQL
web teams sites... kind of like the plpgsql cookbook and oleg and
teodors fts search site.
> What else is there?
>
"developer" which many are hoping to fold back into the main site once
the next generation portal is done.
not to mention "archives" and search.... both of which should probably
be put under cvs at some point...
Robert Treat
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-08 23:22 Robert Treat <[email protected]>
parent: David Costa <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Robert Treat @ 2004-03-08 23:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Costa <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 17:20, David Costa wrote:
>
> On Mar 8, 2004, at 11:09 PM, Robert Treat wrote:
> >
> > As a side note, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to giving you (Alexy)
> > cvs commit privileges except that you have a tendency to fly off the
> > handle that makes me a little bit nervous...
>
> Hello Robert,
> I think that Alexey deserve some trust. He has already write access to
> a great deal of PEAR source modules
> (http://pear.php.net/user/avb) or the whole PEAR three and I would
> never imagine a reason to mess up anything.
>
> I would say +1. He might not be very diplomatic, but if he can save
> you/the web team some valuable time, why not ?
I guess we're still trying to decide if he can save us valuable time :-)
I'd certainly grant his coding efforts argue in his favor.
>
> BTW
> Is the gborg feed going live sometime soon ? (no, I am not asking
> for CVS access :) )
>
Not sure if Dave has had a chance to look at it yet... my current plate
is finishing weekly news today/tonight... then I need to do techdocs
updates, then I might be able to grab the patch Chris posted and put it
up... not sure how far I will get tonight so we'll see.
Robert Treat
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-09 13:45 Chris Ryan <[email protected]>
parent: David Costa <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Chris Ryan @ 2004-03-09 13:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Costa <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
--- David Costa <[email protected]> wrote:
-- snip --
>
> BTW
> Is the gborg feed going live sometime soon ? (no, I am not asking
> for CVS access :) )
>
-- snip --
It kept slipping my mind to setup the cron on gborg to make the rss
feed live. I have done so now and it updates once and hour on the half
hour.
Chris Ryan
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-09 14:32 Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
parent: Robert Treat <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-03-09 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Hi!
Robert Treat wrote:
>>I would say +1. He might not be very diplomatic, but if he can save
>>you/the web team some valuable time, why not ?
>
>
> I guess we're still trying to decide if he can save us valuable time :-)
Ahem. I'd learn that my work is not needed *now* rather than later, when
I've spent more time on it...
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-09 15:04 Robert Treat <[email protected]>
parent: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Robert Treat @ 2004-03-09 15:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 09:32, Alexey Borzov wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Robert Treat wrote:
> >>I would say +1. He might not be very diplomatic, but if he can save
> >>you/the web team some valuable time, why not ?
> >
> >
> > I guess we're still trying to decide if he can save us valuable time :-)
>
> Ahem. I'd learn that my work is not needed *now* rather than later, when
> I've spent more time on it...
>
No, the work is needed now, and quite frankly I have more faith that
you'll get it done than I do that we will, at least anytime soon. It's
just that we keep going round and round on the whole "working together"
thing... a similar issue came up on interfaces, with libtcl. A new guy
had a bunch of patches he wanted to submit but the project maintainers
had been idle for awhile, so he wanted to take over the project. The
admins stated they wanted to stay on, so he forked the project... all
bad imho. ISTM that when your new to a project, you should assume that
you don't know as much as folks that are currently running things. If
you want to take over things, the way to do it is by putting in enough
effort to show your serious, killing people with kindness, and by
submitting enough patches that the developers decide it's too much
hassle to stand in your way. At least that's how I have tried to
approach things...
Robert Treat
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-09 15:39 Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2004-03-09 15:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Treat [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 09 March 2004 15:05
> To: Alexey Borzov
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Update on 'portal' changes
>
> ISTM that when
> your new to a project, you should assume that you don't know
> as much as folks that are currently running things. If you
> want to take over things, the way to do it is by putting in
> enough effort to show your serious, killing people with
> kindness, and by submitting enough patches that the
> developers decide it's too much hassle to stand in your way.
> At least that's how I have tried to approach things...
Nicely put.
/D
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-09 19:22 Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
parent: Robert Treat <[email protected]>
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From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-03-09 19:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Hi!
Robert Treat wrote:
>>>I guess we're still trying to decide if he can save us valuable time :-)
>>
>>Ahem. I'd learn that my work is not needed *now* rather than later, when
>> I've spent more time on it...
>
> No, the work is needed now, and quite frankly I have more faith that
> you'll get it done than I do that we will, at least anytime soon. It's
> just that we keep going round and round on the whole "working together"
> thing...
Seems like you are bent on teaching me about how Open Source works once again...
I already learned that this "working together" thing requires *mutual* desire
to, uhm, work together. If such a desire is not found on one side, then this
side can come up with really inventive excuses.
Consider: Marc had some disagreements with me, too. But I already have a
development server set up at postgresql.org domain.
On the other hand *you* write "I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to giving you
(Alexy) cvs commit privileges except that you have a tendency to fly off the
handle that makes me a little bit nervous..."
Are you *this* afraid of me defacing postgresql.org?.. ;]
> a similar issue came up on interfaces, with libtcl. A new guy
> had a bunch of patches he wanted to submit but the project maintainers
> had been idle for awhile, so he wanted to take over the project. The
> admins stated they wanted to stay on, so he forked the project... all
> bad imho. ISTM that when your new to a project, you should assume that
> you don't know as much as folks that are currently running things.
Oh, yeah. Reading the current traffic I got the impression that the folks who
are running things know as little as myself. What's up with techdocs? What is
this PGFoundry thing? Why is search broken? ;]
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-09 21:53 Robert Treat <[email protected]>
parent: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Robert Treat @ 2004-03-09 21:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 14:22, Alexey Borzov wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Robert Treat wrote:
> >>>I guess we're still trying to decide if he can save us valuable time :-)
> >>
> >>Ahem. I'd learn that my work is not needed *now* rather than later, when
> >> I've spent more time on it...
> >
> > No, the work is needed now, and quite frankly I have more faith that
> > you'll get it done than I do that we will, at least anytime soon. It's
> > just that we keep going round and round on the whole "working together"
> > thing...
>
> Seems like you are bent on teaching me about how Open Source works once again...
>
I am almost as stubborn a teacher as those students who refuse to learn
:-)
> I already learned that this "working together" thing requires *mutual* desire
> to, uhm, work together. If such a desire is not found on one side, then this
> side can come up with really inventive excuses.
>
> Consider: Marc had some disagreements with me, too. But I already have a
> development server set up at postgresql.org domain.
>
> On the other hand *you* write "I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to giving you
> (Alexy) cvs commit privileges except that you have a tendency to fly off the
> handle that makes me a little bit nervous..."
>
On the same hand... do you think Marc makes his decisions in a vacuum?
> Are you *this* afraid of me defacing postgresql.org?.. ;]
>
not really... after all that's the point of CVS isn't it?
> > a similar issue came up on interfaces, with libtcl. A new guy
> > had a bunch of patches he wanted to submit but the project maintainers
> > had been idle for awhile, so he wanted to take over the project. The
> > admins stated they wanted to stay on, so he forked the project... all
> > bad imho. ISTM that when your new to a project, you should assume that
> > you don't know as much as folks that are currently running things.
>
> Oh, yeah. Reading the current traffic I got the impression that the folks who
> are running things know as little as myself. What's up with techdocs? What is
> this PGFoundry thing? Why is search broken? ;]
>
And some people want us to be even *more* segregated...
Robert Treat
--
Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-10 07:16 Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
parent: Robert Treat <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Alexey Borzov @ 2004-03-10 07:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www
Hi!
Robert Treat wrote:
>>Oh, yeah. Reading the current traffic I got the impression that the folks who
>>are running things know as little as myself. What's up with techdocs? What is
>>this PGFoundry thing? Why is search broken? ;]
>
> And some people want us to be even *more* segregated...
You can't be even *more* segregated. There already are two distinct groups: the
so-called "website team" that doesn't have a slightest clue what's up with the
websites and the people who actually do the work.
I feel that I'd rather align myself with the latter.
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* Re: Update on 'portal' changes
@ 2004-03-10 17:07 Gavin M. Roy <[email protected]>
parent: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>
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From: Gavin M. Roy @ 2004-03-10 17:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey Borzov <[email protected]>; +Cc: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
>
> You can't be even *more* segregated. There already are two distinct
> groups: the so-called "website team" that doesn't have a slightest
> clue what's up with the websites and the people who actually do the work.
>
> I feel that I'd rather align myself with the latter.
How about working with the former so that we can help contribute and
bring all these things forward that much faster?
Gavin
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