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* Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-05 21:48 Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
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From: Josh Berkus @ 2003-11-05 21:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-www; [email protected]
Folks,
If possible, for the upcoming release we'd like to get the Contributor List on
developer.postgresql.org updated. Can everyone please take a gander at:
http://developer.postgresql.org/bios.php
... and tell me what's out of date other than me & Vadim? i.e.:
A) What contributors are missing from the list?
B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't contributed
any code since 7.1.0?
C) Who needs their e-mail address updated?
D) Who needs their description updated? (Text, please ... I won't write it)
--
-Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-05 22:16 Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
parent: Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2 siblings, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Josh Berkus @ 2003-11-05 22:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www; [email protected]
Tom,
> I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
> deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
> Emeritus" or some such. Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
> get listed that way, at least.
Yeah, I was thinking of moving them from "Major Contributors" to just
"Contributors". We'd rather have a "Past Contributors"?
--
-Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-05 22:16 Tom Lane <[email protected]>
parent: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
3 siblings, 3 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Tom Lane @ 2003-11-05 22:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; +Cc: pgsql-www; [email protected]
Josh Berkus <[email protected]> writes:
> B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't
> contributed any code since 7.1.0?
I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
Emeritus" or some such. Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
get listed that way, at least.
regards, tom lane
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-05 22:25 Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
parent: Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2 siblings, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Momjian @ 2003-11-05 22:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; pgsql-www; [email protected]
Tom Lane wrote:
> Josh Berkus <[email protected]> writes:
> > B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't
> > contributed any code since 7.1.0?
>
> I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
> deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
> Emeritus" or some such. Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
> get listed that way, at least.
Yes, I think we are going to use that Emeritus list only for special
contributors who aren't involved any more. I think Brian ??? would be a
good addition too. He was around during 1.X and 6.X. Marc? Remember?
--
Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us
[email protected] | (610) 359-1001
+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-05 22:26 Jan Wieck <[email protected]>
parent: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
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From: Jan Wieck @ 2003-11-05 22:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; +Cc: pgsql-www; [email protected]
Josh Berkus wrote:
> Folks,
>
> If possible, for the upcoming release we'd like to get the Contributor List on
> developer.postgresql.org updated. Can everyone please take a gander at:
> http://developer.postgresql.org/bios.php
>
> ... and tell me what's out of date other than me & Vadim? i.e.:
>
> A) What contributors are missing from the list?
> B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't contributed
> any code since 7.1.0?
> C) Who needs their e-mail address updated?
> D) Who needs their description updated? (Text, please ... I won't write it)
>
Jan Wieck in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA, ([email protected],
<a href="http://www.afilias.info">Afilias USA INC.</a>)
overhauled the query rewrite rule system, wrote our procedural languages
PL/pgSQL and PL/Tcl and many other complex features like TOAST.
Jan
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-05 22:26 Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
parent: Tom Lane <[email protected]>
2 siblings, 5 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Momjian @ 2003-11-05 22:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; pgsql-www; [email protected]
Tom Lane wrote:
> Josh Berkus <[email protected]> writes:
> > B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't
> > contributed any code since 7.1.0?
>
> I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
> deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
> Emeritus" or some such. Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
> get listed that way, at least.
I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.
--
Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us
[email protected] | (610) 359-1001
+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road
+ Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-05 22:27 Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
parent: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
4 siblings, 2 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Josh Berkus @ 2003-11-05 22:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www; [email protected]
Guys,
Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers? It's about 4
years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load like molasses in
January.
--
-Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-05 22:35 elein <[email protected]>
parent: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
4 siblings, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: elein @ 2003-11-05 22:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; [email protected]; pgsql-www; [email protected]
emeritus is a perfectly good latin word. No need to
dumb things down.
--elein
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:26:29PM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Tom Lane wrote:
> > Josh Berkus <[email protected]> writes:
> > > B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't
> > > contributed any code since 7.1.0?
> >
> > I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
> > deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
> > Emeritus" or some such. Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
> > get listed that way, at least.
>
>
> I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
> speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.
>
> --
> Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us
> [email protected] | (610) 359-1001
> + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road
> + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
>
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-05 22:36 Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
parent: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Momjian @ 2003-11-05 22:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
Josh Berkus wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers? It's about 4
> years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load like molasses in
> January.
Agreed. I think Jan is the only one who knows how to updated it. Jan?
--
Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us
[email protected] | (610) 359-1001
+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road
+ Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-05 22:39 Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
parent: Tom Lane <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Josh Berkus @ 2003-11-05 22:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www; [email protected]
Tom,
> Yeah. It was cute when we did it but it's overkill as a way of pointing
> out that we have a worldwide development community. We can just say
> that...
I'll be happy to re-do it someday using OOo's imagemapper. But not this week
...
--
-Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-05 22:40 Tom Lane <[email protected]>
parent: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Tom Lane @ 2003-11-05 22:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; pgsql-www; [email protected]
Bruce Momjian <[email protected]> writes:
> Josh Berkus wrote:
>> Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers? It's about 4
>> years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load like molasses in
>> January.
> Agreed.
Yeah. It was cute when we did it but it's overkill as a way of pointing
out that we have a worldwide development community. We can just say
that...
regards, tom lane
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-05 22:44 Neil Conway <[email protected]>
parent: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Neil Conway @ 2003-11-05 22:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; +Cc: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
Josh Berkus <[email protected]> writes:
> Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers? It's about 4
> years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load like molasses in
> January.
Personally, I don't really see the need for developer.postgresql.org
to be a separate sub-site. Since it is basically just a collection of
links to other resources (CVSweb, TODO list, devel docs build, etc.),
why not just make it a page or two on www.postgresql.org?
-Neil
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-05 23:10 Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>
parent: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
3 siblings, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Peter Eisentraut @ 2003-11-05 23:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www; [email protected]
Josh Berkus writes:
> If possible, for the upcoming release we'd like to get the Contributor List on
> developer.postgresql.org updated. Can everyone please take a gander at:
> http://developer.postgresql.org/bios.php
One thing that really puzzles me is this web page:
http://advocacy.postgresql.org/about/
This is sort of the same web page that we're talking about here, but it
lists the developers below the press contacts as also-rans. What's worse,
this is the web page that people will get to if they go to if they go to
http://www.postgresql.org and click on the first link they see: "What
is...". Don't get me wrong, press contacts and advocacy team deserve
recognition as well, but not on a page that is indirectly labelled "What
is PostgreSQL". It makes it look like the project is run by marketing
dudes.
--
Peter Eisentraut [email protected]
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-05 23:18 Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>
parent: Neil Conway <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Peter Eisentraut @ 2003-11-05 23:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Neil Conway <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
Neil Conway writes:
> Personally, I don't really see the need for developer.postgresql.org
> to be a separate sub-site. Since it is basically just a collection of
> links to other resources (CVSweb, TODO list, devel docs build, etc.),
> why not just make it a page or two on www.postgresql.org?
I agree to that. The best way to get people involved is if we have an
integrated presentation of the project. That is, users, developers,
marketing, documentation, web mastering, translation, whatever. Right
now, the developers sit in their own corner, and users think, "These
people can't even be bothered to present relevant information in the main
web site; they don't want me." The marketing people sit in another
corner, and apparently their marketing strategy is "make the marketing
site look as much unlike anything else in the project as possible". And,
well, all the other people don't sit anywhere, because the main site
understands itself as a portal, and there is no obvious way that other
groups can integrate.
Check out www.debian.org or www.freebsd.org to see what I mean.
Everything is there at one glance, everything looks the same, everyone is
invited everywhere.
--
Peter Eisentraut [email protected]
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* Re: [pgsql-www] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-05 23:24 Andrew Dunstan <[email protected]>
parent: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
4 siblings, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Dunstan @ 2003-11-05 23:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: PostgreSQL-development <[email protected]>
Bruce Momjian wrote:
>Tom Lane wrote:
>
>
>>Josh Berkus <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>
>>>B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't
>>>contributed any code since 7.1.0?
>>>
>>>
>>I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
>>deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
>>Emeritus" or some such. Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
>>get listed that way, at least.
>>
>>
>
>
>I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
>speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.
>
>
Rupert Murdoch once sacked an editor (over the Hitler Diaries forgery
fiasco) by giving him the title of "Editor Emeritus". The editor asked
what it meant and Murdoch is reported to have replied "It's Latin,
Frank. The 'e' means you're out and the 'meritus' means you deserve it."
:-)
cheers
andrew
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* Re: Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-06 01:53 Gaetano Mendola <[email protected]>
parent: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
3 siblings, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Gaetano Mendola @ 2003-11-06 01:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; +Cc: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
Josh Berkus wrote:
> Folks,
>
> If possible, for the upcoming release we'd like to get the Contributor List on
> developer.postgresql.org updated. Can everyone please take a gander at:
> http://developer.postgresql.org/bios.php
>
> ... and tell me what's out of date other than me & Vadim? i.e.:
>
> A) What contributors are missing from the list?
> B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't contributed
> any code since 7.1.0?
> C) Who needs their e-mail address updated?
> D) Who needs their description updated? (Text, please ... I won't write it)
Who is eligible to be a "contributor" ?
Who wrote a single line of code that now is inside Postgres?
Who discovered a "major" bug ?
Who partecipate actively to all discussions ?
Regards
Gaetano Mendola
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-06 02:03 Christopher Kings-Lynne <[email protected]>
parent: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
4 siblings, 2 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Christopher Kings-Lynne @ 2003-11-06 02:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; [email protected]; pgsql-www; [email protected]
>>I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
>>deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
>>Emeritus" or some such. Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
>>get listed that way, at least.
>
> I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
> speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.
Isn't that an even better reason to use it? :)
Chris
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-06 02:56 Joshua D. Drake <[email protected]>
parent: Christopher Kings-Lynne <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Joshua D. Drake @ 2003-11-06 02:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christopher Kings-Lynne <[email protected]>; +Cc: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; [email protected]; pgsql-www; [email protected]
>> I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
>> speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.
>
>
> Isn't that an even better reason to use it? :)
My personal opinion would be that they can use dictionary.com if they
don't know what it means.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-06 08:19 Dave Page <[email protected]>
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From: Dave Page @ 2003-11-06 08:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; Tom Lane <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www; [email protected]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Berkus [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 05 November 2003 22:27
> To: Bruce Momjian; Tom Lane
> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
>
> Guys,
>
> Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers?
> It's about 4
> years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load
> like molasses in January.
Yes please. That should reduce my email load a bit!
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-06 08:21 Dave Page <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Dave Page @ 2003-11-06 08:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; +Cc: pgsql-www; [email protected]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 05 November 2003 23:11
> To: Josh Berkus
> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
>
> Josh Berkus writes:
>
> > If possible, for the upcoming release we'd like to get the
> Contributor List on
> > developer.postgresql.org updated. Can everyone please
> take a gander at:
> > http://developer.postgresql.org/bios.php
>
> One thing that really puzzles me is this web page:
>
> http://advocacy.postgresql.org/about/
Personnally I don't see why that whole site isn't part of the main site.
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: [pgsql-www] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-06 11:00 Paulo Scardine <[email protected]>
parent: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
4 siblings, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Paulo Scardine @ 2003-11-06 11:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]
Emeritus is verbatin from Latin and is really very spread into most Western
languages.
--
Paulo Scardine
>
> I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
> speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-06 14:25 Robert Treat <[email protected]>
parent: Dave Page <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Robert Treat @ 2003-11-06 14:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Page <[email protected]>; +Cc: Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 03:21, Dave Page wrote:
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: 05 November 2003 23:11
> > To: Josh Berkus
> > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
> >
> > Josh Berkus writes:
> >
> > > If possible, for the upcoming release we'd like to get the
> > Contributor List on
> > > developer.postgresql.org updated. Can everyone please
> > take a gander at:
> > > http://developer.postgresql.org/bios.php
> >
> > One thing that really puzzles me is this web page:
> >
> > http://advocacy.postgresql.org/about/
>
> Personnally I don't see why that whole site isn't part of the main site.
>
Because when it was originally created the guy doing the main website
and the guy doing the advocacy website weren't big on nuzzling together.
The advocacy site does have different requirements than the main site,
namely its bi-lingualness and the different target audience, but perhaps
with adding bi-lingual capabilities to the main site these two sites
could be brought together.
Robert Treat
--
Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-06 14:46 Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
parent: Robert Treat <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2003-11-06 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 09:25:38AM -0500, Robert Treat wrote:
> The advocacy site does have different requirements than the main site,
> namely its bi-lingualness and the different target audience, but perhaps
> with adding bi-lingual capabilities to the main site these two sites
> could be brought together.
Certainly; see the www.debian.org for an example. They have
multilingual capabilities across the whole site.
--
Alvaro Herrera (<alvherre[a]dcc.uchile.cl>)
"Cómo ponemos nuestros dedos en la arcilla del otro. Eso es la amistad; jugar
al alfarero y ver qué formas se pueden sacar del otro" (C. Halloway en
La Feria de las Tinieblas, R. Bradbury)
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-06 17:39 Dave Page <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Dave Page @ 2003-11-06 17:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alvaro Herrera [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 06 November 2003 14:47
> To: Robert Treat
> Cc: Dave Page; Peter Eisentraut; Josh Berkus;
> [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
>
> On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 09:25:38AM -0500, Robert Treat wrote:
>
> > The advocacy site does have different requirements than the
> main site,
> > namely its bi-lingualness and the different target audience, but
> > perhaps with adding bi-lingual capabilities to the main
> site these two
> > sites could be brought together.
>
> Certainly; see the www.debian.org for an example. They have
> multilingual capabilities across the whole site.
We nearly do on ours. Andreas has done quite a bit of work on it.
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-06 22:05 Robert Treat <[email protected]>
parent: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Robert Treat @ 2003-11-06 22:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 09:46, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 09:25:38AM -0500, Robert Treat wrote:
>
> > The advocacy site does have different requirements than the main site,
> > namely its bi-lingualness and the different target audience, but perhaps
> > with adding bi-lingual capabilities to the main site these two sites
> > could be brought together.
>
> Certainly; see the www.debian.org for an example. They have
> multilingual capabilities across the whole site.
>
<rant>
we don't need links, we need patches
</rant>
we do have this development in progress, theres just the matter of
getting time to make it happen.
Robert Treat
--
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-06 22:18 Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>
parent: Robert Treat <[email protected]>
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From: Peter Eisentraut @ 2003-11-06 22:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
Robert Treat writes:
> <rant>
> we don't need links, we need patches
> </rant>
Let me ask you the questions that people always ask of us:
How does one get involved?
Where is the code?
What is the plan?
Where is the roadmap?
Where can issues be discussed?
Who is working on this?
How can we help?
--
Peter Eisentraut [email protected]
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-06 22:33 Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
parent: Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Josh Berkus @ 2003-11-06 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
Peter,
> Let me ask you the questions that people always ask of us:
This isn't helping. What Robert was pointing out is that we don't currently
have enough people writing HTML and PHP to finish improving the site anytime
soon. Robert doesn't need "managerial direction."
Or did you have ambitions to be a PHB? ;-p
--
-Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-07 00:47 Tom Lane <[email protected]>
parent: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Tom Lane @ 2003-11-07 00:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; +Cc: Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
Josh Berkus <[email protected]> writes:
> Peter,
>> Let me ask you the questions that people always ask of us:
> This isn't helping. What Robert was pointing out is that we don't
> currently have enough people writing HTML and PHP to finish improving
> the site anytime soon.
Peter appeared to be asking how additional people could get involved.
Or do you *want* to keep the web group too small to get things done?
regards, tom lane
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-07 03:42 Robert Treat <[email protected]>
parent: Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Robert Treat @ 2003-11-07 03:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
On Thursday 06 November 2003 17:18, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> Robert Treat writes:
> > <rant>
> > we don't need links, we need patches
> > </rant>
>
> Let me ask you the questions that people always ask of us:
>
> How does one get involved?
post proposals to pgsql-www and start coding
> Where is the code?
http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/pgweb/projdisplay.php
> What is the plan?
if you have an itch, scratch it...
> Where is the roadmap?
right now andreas' is working on multi-lingual capabilities. i have half an
implementation of variable site width i'd love to finish off, and we have
some pages for things like the release notes that we need to add to the
dynamic site building scripts.
on the advocacy site, there is a file called TODO in the main directory that
has some issues in it that need to be addressed in the current system.
potentially we will also need to add translated press kits and release notes
to the system.
on techdocs there is a todo.php file which is probably completely bogus.
theres some indecision on the direction of this site. I would like to convert
the whole thing to CVS, including the wiki pages that comprised the guides
section. others are testing using bricolage to make a new site at which time
some of the data would be transitioned over. i happen to think there are
several files on this site that should be moved to the main www site, i'd be
happy to expand on that if people start doing work on it. really the most
important thing here is that we get some movement on the site in order to
ditch the old VM the site lives on and get it on our new web VM.
> Where can issues be discussed?
[email protected]
> Who is working on this?
myself, dave page, devrim gunduz, andreas grabmller are the primary folks
doing the work, though there are certainly others involved. [that guy marc
seems to be involved somewhat ;-) ]
> How can we help?
never send an email saying "you guys should post such and such news item on
the web site". instead submit the news item yourself and we can have it
approved and on the site in much less time. :-)
otherwise it works much like any other open source project, if there is
something specific you want to work on, post a proposal or ask if anyone else
is working on it on the -www list.
let me also say on a personal note that if none of this looks interesting but
there is something else that i am working on that you'd like to get involved
in, drop me a line. that last thing i want to do is to continue to
consolidate work around me, I'd much rather empower others to become regular
contributors.
Robert Treat
--
Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-07 08:31 Dave Page <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Dave Page @ 2003-11-07 08:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 06 November 2003 22:18
> To: Robert Treat
> Cc: Alvaro Herrera; Dave Page; Josh Berkus;
> [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
>
>
> Let me ask you the questions that people always ask of us:
>
> How does one get involved?
Join the www list.
> Where is the code?
On the www server.
> What is the plan?
> Where is the roadmap?
There is no written plan.
> Where can issues be discussed?
[email protected]
> Who is working on this?
Andreas Grabmüller [[email protected]]
> How can we help?
Andreas?
Regards, Dave.
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* Re: [pgsql-www] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-07 12:18 Dave Cramer <[email protected]>
parent: Tom Lane <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Dave Cramer @ 2003-11-07 12:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Well the current argument aside, I do find it discouraging that there is
a considerable difference between the four sites, advocacy, gborg, dev,
and the main site, not only in form but in substance.
I am listed on the dev site as a major contributor, but not on the
advocacy site. Where was the list compiled from on the advocacy site?
Dave
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 19:47, Tom Lane wrote:
> Josh Berkus <[email protected]> writes:
> > Peter,
> >> Let me ask you the questions that people always ask of us:
>
> > This isn't helping. What Robert was pointing out is that we don't
> > currently have enough people writing HTML and PHP to finish improving
> > the site anytime soon.
>
> Peter appeared to be asking how additional people could get involved.
> Or do you *want* to keep the web group too small to get things done?
>
> regards, tom lane
>
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* Re: [pgsql-www] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-07 13:14 Robert Treat <[email protected]>
parent: Dave Page <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Robert Treat @ 2003-11-07 13:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; +Cc: [email protected]; Dave Page <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 06:32, Andreas Grabmüller wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> well, the most of the programming itself is done, what's currently missing is
>
> 1) Some fine tuning on the layout
> 2) Adding the static pages
> 3) Translating the pages, news, events etc. into german and maybe some other languages if we find someone to translate it
> 4) Creating something that handles old links as the new ones are not compatible
> 5) Reformatting the PHP code as some parts currently look horrible ;)
> 6) All the things I have forgotten...
>
> It's currently not easy to work together on the code as it's on my Subversion server and nobody else uses Subversion ;) If someone wants to help me on this it would be good if we could get some CVS repository on gborg for this...
>
> Well, before doing that we maybe should decide if we combine www and advocacy (and maybe even developer?) into one big site... I would like that Idea, I think I will create a little sample page later to see how it could look like :)
>
I disagree... the tech and the content are separate issues, let's keep
them that way or we'll never make progress on either of them.
Robert Treat
--
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-07 13:42 Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>
parent: Robert Treat <[email protected]>
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From: Peter Eisentraut @ 2003-11-07 13:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; Dave Page <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
Robert Treat writes:
> I disagree... the tech and the content are separate issues, let's keep
> them that way or we'll never make progress on either of them.
Just because one solution is technically more simple, it doesn't mean that
it is the overall best solution.
--
Peter Eisentraut [email protected]
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-07 13:50 Bruce Momjian <[email protected]>
parent: Christopher Kings-Lynne <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Bruce Momjian @ 2003-11-07 13:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christopher Kings-Lynne <[email protected]>; +Cc: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; [email protected]; pgsql-www; [email protected]
Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
> >>I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
> >>deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
> >>Emeritus" or some such. Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
> >>get listed that way, at least.
> >
> > I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
> > speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.
>
> Isn't that an even better reason to use it? :)
That reminds me of this:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
0x0d2C
==========
May your signals all trap
May your references be bounded
All memory aligned
Floats to ints rounded
Remember ...
Non-zero is true
++ adds one
Arrays start with zero
and, NULL is for none
For octal, use zero
0x means hex
= will set
== means test
use -> for a pointer
a dot if its not
? : is confusing
use them a lot <----
a.out is your program
there's no U in foobar
and, char (*(*x())[])() is
a function returning a pointer
to an array of pointers to
functions returning char
-- Jon S. Stumpf
--
Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us
[email protected] | (610) 359-1001
+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road
+ Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-07 18:51 Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
parent: Robert Treat <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Josh Berkus @ 2003-11-07 18:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>; +Cc: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
Robert,
> on techdocs there is a todo.php file which is probably completely bogus.
> theres some indecision on the direction of this site. I would like to
> convert the whole thing to CVS, including the wiki pages that comprised the
> guides section. others are testing using bricolage to make a new site at
> which time some of the data would be transitioned over.
Yeah, that's me & Elein & David F. We feel pretty strongly that PostgreSQL
needs a place where users can contribute to documentation and help other
users without learning HTML, SGML, or CVS. Otherwise, we're throwing away a
lot of potential contributions and ignoring a lot of the community that wants
to help but find the barrier to entry too high.
I also see Techdocs as a "test site" for maybe moving more parts of
postgresql.org to a sophisticated CMS; while CVS is nice for version control,
it does nothing to help control style consistency, dynamic linking, or
multi-lingualism, which must all still be done 100% manually.
However, we've been real sluggards about getting this up & running. So if
you get the other stuff re-built and we're still lagging, then you'll have
come up with a very persuasive argument to do things your way.
> i happen to think
> there are several files on this site that should be moved to the main www
> site, i'd be happy to expand on that if people start doing work on it.
Probably, yes.
> really the most important thing here is that we get some movement on the
> site in order to ditch the old VM the site lives on and get it on our new
> web VM.
On techdocs? What part of that needs to be migrated?
--
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-07 19:22 Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
parent: Tom Lane <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Josh Berkus @ 2003-11-07 19:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tom Lane <[email protected]>; +Cc: Peter Eisentraut <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
Tom,
> Peter appeared to be asking how additional people could get involved.
> Or do you *want* to keep the web group too small to get things done?
Ooops! Sorry, Peter, I *completely* mis-read your e-mail.
--
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-07 19:54 Dave Page <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Dave Page @ 2003-11-07 19:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; +Cc: pgsql-www
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andreas Grabmüller [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 07 November 2003 13:04
> To: [email protected]; [email protected];
> [email protected]; Dave Page
> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected];
> [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
>
>
> I don't think this is possible as the file strucure is
> completely different than it was before...
Yeah, that was my concern.
> it maybe would be
> better to create a www2 module. Plus that gives us the
> ability to work on the "old" page as long as the new one is
> not finally running...
OK. What about 'portal' though instead of www2?
Anyway, I have promoted you to developer on Gborg so you can import your work into a new module.
Regards, Dave.
BTW, the mime encoding of you emails appears to be shot again.
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-10 15:31 Robert Treat <[email protected]>
parent: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Robert Treat @ 2003-11-10 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; +Cc: Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 13:51, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > really the most important thing here is that we get some movement on the
> > site in order to ditch the old VM the site lives on and get it on our new
> > web VM.
>
> On techdocs? What part of that needs to be migrated?
>
Last I check it was the whole thing... techdocs runs on its own VM, the
other sites all run on a different VM. We need to kill the old VM, but
until we move techdocs to it's new home, we can't
Robert Treat
--
Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-10 15:48 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
parent: Robert Treat <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2003-11-10 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; +Cc: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Robert Treat wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 13:51, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > > really the most important thing here is that we get some movement on the
> > > site in order to ditch the old VM the site lives on and get it on our new
> > > web VM.
> >
> > On techdocs? What part of that needs to be migrated?
> >
>
> Last I check it was the whole thing... techdocs runs on its own VM, the
> other sites all run on a different VM. We need to kill the old VM, but
> until we move techdocs to it's new home, we can't
And there is no pressure/hurry for this to be done ... its not a 'simple
move', but a redesign based on new technology ... what is there now,
works, so no pressure
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-10 16:24 Justin Clift <[email protected]>
parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Justin Clift @ 2003-11-10 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Robert Treat wrote:
<snip>
>>>On techdocs? What part of that needs to be migrated?
>>>
>>
>>Last I check it was the whole thing... techdocs runs on its own VM, the
>>other sites all run on a different VM. We need to kill the old VM, but
>>until we move techdocs to it's new home, we can't
>
> And there is no pressure/hurry for this to be done ... its not a 'simple
> move', but a redesign based on new technology ... what is there now,
> works, so no pressure
From memory, the OpenOffice.org surveys still run from the techdocs
virtual machine too. That may or may not be the case these days, I just
don't remember.
Regards and best wishes,
Justin Clift
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-10 18:12 Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
parent: Justin Clift <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Josh Berkus @ 2003-11-10 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Justin Clift <[email protected]>; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
Justin,
> From memory, the OpenOffice.org surveys still run from the techdocs
> virtual machine too. That may or may not be the case these days, I just
> don't remember.
Really? I thought that they were running from one of Sun's machines. Will
check with Cristian.
If we're hosting the surveys, I want a "Powered by PostgreSQL" bug on them,
dammit. Those get 21,000 views a week.
--
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-10 18:27 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
parent: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2003-11-10 18:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; +Cc: Justin Clift <[email protected]>; Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Justin,
>
> > From memory, the OpenOffice.org surveys still run from the techdocs
> > virtual machine too. That may or may not be the case these days, I just
> > don't remember.
>
> Really? I thought that they were running from one of Sun's machines. Will
> check with Cristian.
>
> If we're hosting the surveys, I want a "Powered by PostgreSQL" bug on them,
> dammit. Those get 21,000 views a week.
start of current access_log: 217.1.97.253 - - [08/Nov/2003:08:00:28 -0500]
end of current access_log: 141.211.97.33 - - [10/Nov/2003:13:28:39 -0500]
jobs# grep http://oosurvey.gratismania.ro/user/index.php access_log | egrep -v "images" | wc -l
2966
looks like its still well used ...
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-10 18:59 Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Marc G. Fournier @ 2003-11-10 18:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; Justin Clift <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; [email protected]
In fact: http://oosurvey.gratismania.ro/stats
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Josh Berkus wrote:
>
> > Justin,
> >
> > > From memory, the OpenOffice.org surveys still run from the techdocs
> > > virtual machine too. That may or may not be the case these days, I just
> > > don't remember.
> >
> > Really? I thought that they were running from one of Sun's machines. Will
> > check with Cristian.
> >
> > If we're hosting the surveys, I want a "Powered by PostgreSQL" bug on them,
> > dammit. Those get 21,000 views a week.
>
> start of current access_log: 217.1.97.253 - - [08/Nov/2003:08:00:28 -0500]
> end of current access_log: 141.211.97.33 - - [10/Nov/2003:13:28:39 -0500]
>
> jobs# grep http://oosurvey.gratismania.ro/user/index.php access_log | egrep -v "images" | wc -l
> 2966
>
> looks like its still well used ...
>
>
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-10 19:26 Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
parent: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Josh Berkus @ 2003-11-10 19:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Marc G. Fournier <[email protected]>; +Cc: Justin Clift <[email protected]>; Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; pgsql-www
Guys,
> > > If we're hosting the surveys, I want a "Powered by PostgreSQL" bug on
> > > them, dammit. Those get 21,000 views a week.
Taken care of. We should get a button up soon.
--
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-11 13:42 Justin Clift <[email protected]>
parent: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Justin Clift @ 2003-11-11 13:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; Michael Glaesemann <[email protected]>; Andreas Grabmüller <[email protected]>
Hi guys,
Alvaro, do you know how (or if) the people that do stuff for the Debian
website overcame the problem of everyone needing to know HTML?
Regards and best wishes,
Justin Clift
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 09:25:38AM -0500, Robert Treat wrote:
>
>
>>The advocacy site does have different requirements than the main site,
>>namely its bi-lingualness and the different target audience, but perhaps
>>with adding bi-lingual capabilities to the main site these two sites
>>could be brought together.
>
>
> Certainly; see the www.debian.org for an example. They have
> multilingual capabilities across the whole site.
>
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-11 15:28 Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
parent: Justin Clift <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2003-11-11 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Justin Clift <[email protected]>; +Cc: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; Michael Glaesemann <[email protected]>; Andreas Grabmüller <[email protected]>
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 09:42:22PM +0800, Justin Clift wrote:
> Alvaro, do you know how (or if) the people that do stuff for the Debian
> website overcame the problem of everyone needing to know HTML?
Huh, sorry, no idea at all. I was just visiting the Debian site.
--
Alvaro Herrera (<alvherre[a]dcc.uchile.cl>)
"Right now the sectors on the hard disk run clockwise, but I heard a rumor that
you can squeeze 0.2% more throughput by running them counterclockwise.
It's worth the effort. Recommended." (Gerry Pourwelle)
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-11 15:36 Justin Clift <[email protected]>
parent: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 53+ messages in thread
From: Justin Clift @ 2003-11-11 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: Robert Treat <[email protected]>; Dave Page <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; pgsql-www; Michael Glaesemann <[email protected]>; Andreas Grabmüller <[email protected]>
Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 09:42:22PM +0800, Justin Clift wrote:
>
>>Alvaro, do you know how (or if) the people that do stuff for the Debian
>>website overcame the problem of everyone needing to know HTML?
>
> Huh, sorry, no idea at all. I was just visiting the Debian site.
Rats. It might still be worth asking them though, just in case they
found a good solution.
Anyone know the Debian webmasters? From memory, some of the translation
volunteers do stuff with/for them.
Regards and best wishes,
Justin Clift
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-11 16:28 Euler Taveira de Oliveira <[email protected]>
parent: Justin Clift <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Euler Taveira de Oliveira @ 2003-11-11 16:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Justin Clift <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; pgsql-www; [email protected]; [email protected]
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:36:42 +0800 Justin Clift <[email protected]> wrote:
> Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 09:42:22PM +0800, Justin Clift wrote:
> >
> >>Alvaro, do you know how (or if) the people that do stuff for the Debian
> >>website overcame the problem of everyone needing to know HTML?
> >
All the translators do know HTML. And I wanna propose to use the internationalization like Debian Project, eg, using Languages capabilities of Apache Webserver.
Basically we have:
index.html.en
index.html.pt-br
index.html.es
index.html.se
...
> Anyone know the Debian webmasters? From memory, some of the translation
> volunteers do stuff with/for them.
>
I think this is not too hard to translate just the text in the HTML. What do you guys think?
PS> I redesigned the main website and wanna propose it in the end of the afternoon.
Regards,
--
Euler Taveira de Oliveira
euler (at) ufgnet.ufg.br
Desenvolvedor Web e Administrador de Sistemas
UFGNet - Universidade Federal de Goiás
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-11 17:51 Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
parent: Euler Taveira de Oliveira <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2003-11-11 17:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Euler Taveira de Oliveira <[email protected]>; +Cc: Justin Clift <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; pgsql-www; [email protected]; [email protected]
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:28:30PM -0200, Euler Taveira de Oliveira wrote:
> All the translators do know HTML. And I wanna propose to use the
> internationalization like Debian Project, eg, using Languages
> capabilities of Apache Webserver.
If the text could be automatically generated from a DocBook source, then
the translation could be handled by the same mechanism the KDE guys use:
a Docbook -> PO -> Docbook tool. Translator don't have to know HTML;
they just use KBabel or gtranslator, etc. That's the theory at least ...
I've mentioned this already regarding documentation translations, maybe
the idea can be useful here.
--
Alvaro Herrera (<alvherre[a]dcc.uchile.cl>)
"Right now the sectors on the hard disk run clockwise, but I heard a rumor that
you can squeeze 0.2% more throughput by running them counterclockwise.
It's worth the effort. Recommended." (Gerry Pourwelle)
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-11 18:11 Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
parent: Euler Taveira de Oliveira <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 2 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Josh Berkus @ 2003-11-11 18:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: [email protected]; Justin Clift <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; pgsql-www; [email protected]; [email protected]
Euler, Alvaro,
> All the translators do know HTML. And I wanna propose to use the
> internationalization like Debian Project, eg, using Languages capabilities
> of Apache Webserver. Basically we have:
I manage PostgreSQL's team of translators for advocacy/website stuff, and I
can tell you that they don't all, or even most, know enough HTML to handle
even a simple table.
> If the text could be automatically generated from a DocBook source, then
> the translation could be handled by the same mechanism the KDE guys use:
> a Docbook -> PO -> Docbook tool. Translator don't have to know HTML;
> they just use KBabel or gtranslator, etc. That's the theory at least ...
This is a fine idea if we can come up with a tool which is available on all
major platforms: win95, winNT/2k, Mac OS X, Linux and BSD. Otherwise, a web
form will be a *lot* easier to manage.
Personally, even when I'm editing something which someone else has marked up I
find editing wiki-markup to be *much* easier. In HTML, it's far two easy to
accidentially paste over a closing tag or a bracket and screw up the whole
page. This will be even more the case if you want to adopt the stricter
XHTML.
--
Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-11 18:36 Michael Glaesemann <[email protected]>
parent: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Michael Glaesemann @ 2003-11-11 18:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-www
From: Michael Glaesemann <[email protected]>
Date: Wed Nov 12, 2003 3:34:28 AM Asia/Tokyo
To: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 03:11 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:
> accidentially paste over a closing tag or a bracket and screw up the
> whole
> page. This will be even more the case if you want to adopt the
> stricter
> XHTML.
Practically, only screw up in terms of whether or not the page still
validates. Most browsers, with their built-in forgiveness that lets
them handle the 95% of invalid markup that's out there, won't break any
more with invalid XHTML than they would with the same (invalid) HTML.
There are a few browsers that change their behavior slightly depending
on the document declaration, but from what I gather, the differences a
slight. And at the extreme, I don't know of any browers that attempt to
validate the page against the DTD and refuse to display if if they
don't.
This isn't an excuse to not write the best markup possible, of course.
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-11 19:17 Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
parent: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Alvaro Herrera @ 2003-11-11 19:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; Justin Clift <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected]; pgsql-www; [email protected]; [email protected]
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 10:11:35AM -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Euler, Alvaro,
> > If the text could be automatically generated from a DocBook source, then
> > the translation could be handled by the same mechanism the KDE guys use:
> > a Docbook -> PO -> Docbook tool. Translator don't have to know HTML;
> > they just use KBabel or gtranslator, etc. That's the theory at least ...
>
> This is a fine idea if we can come up with a tool which is available on all
> major platforms: win95, winNT/2k, Mac OS X, Linux and BSD. Otherwise, a web
> form will be a *lot* easier to manage.
Personally, as a seasoned translator ;-), I find a web form practically
unusable compared to a PO catalog editor. I think the pgAdmin guys have
some indication of a program that works on Windows. I dunno about Mac
OS X. Gnome and KDE both have good tools that work on Linux, BSD and
some others.
--
Alvaro Herrera (<alvherre[a]dcc.uchile.cl>)
"Aprende a avergonzarte más ante ti que ante los demás" (Demócrito)
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* Re: [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
@ 2003-11-11 22:13 Dave Page <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 0 replies; 53+ messages in thread
From: Dave Page @ 2003-11-11 22:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; Josh Berkus <[email protected]>; +Cc: [email protected]; Justin Clift <[email protected]>; [email protected]; pgsql-www; [email protected]; [email protected]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alvaro Herrera [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 11 November 2003 19:18
> To: Josh Berkus
> Cc: [email protected]; Justin Clift;
> [email protected]; Dave Page;
> [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] [HACKERS] Changes to Contributor List
>
> Personally, as a seasoned translator ;-), I find a web form
> practically unusable compared to a PO catalog editor. I
> think the pgAdmin guys have some indication of a program that
> works on Windows. I dunno about Mac OS X. Gnome and KDE
> both have good tools that work on Linux, BSD and some others.
Yes, we use poEdit which is written using wxWindows as pgAdmin is. Both
the website and pgAdmin are translated that way. The website code is on
http://cvs.pgadmin.org if anyone is interested.
Regards, Dave.
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