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* EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
@ 2026-04-10 07:13 Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-10 10:19 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 14:10 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
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From: Peter Smith @ 2026-04-10 07:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
Hi.
While experimenting with "CREATE PUBLICATION ... FOR ALL TABLES EXCEPT
(TABLE...)" I noticed a small "case" inconsistency.
Background: The \d and \dRp+ command were enhanced in commit fd36606
[1][2] to say what tables are excluded from what publications.
e.g.
# -- describe the publications
# \dRp+ pub1
Publication pub1
Owner | All tables | All sequences | Inserts | Updates | Deletes |
Truncates | Generated columns | Via root | Description
----------+------------+---------------+---------+---------+---------+-----------+-------------------+----------+-------------
postgres | t | f | t | t | t | t
| none | f |
Except tables:
"public.t1"
"public.t2"
# \dRp+ pub2
Publication pub2
Owner | All tables | All sequences | Inserts | Updates | Deletes |
Truncates | Generated columns | Via root | Description
----------+------------+---------------+---------+---------+---------+-----------+-------------------+----------+-------------
postgres | f | f | t | t | t | t
| none | f |
Tables:
"public.t2"
"public.t3"
# -- describe the tables
# \d t1
Table "public.t1"
Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
a | integer | | |
Except Publications:
"pub1"
# \d t2
Table "public.t2"
Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
a | integer | | |
Publications:
"pub2"
Except Publications:
"pub1"
~~~
Notice that that the describe publication says:
"Tables:" and "Except tables:" (Lowercase "tables")
Notice that the describe table says:
"Publications:" and "Except Publications:" (Uppercase "Publications")
I think they should use a consistent case:
eg1. (both lowercase) Except tables; Except publications, OR
eg2. (bother uppercase) Except Tables; Except Publications
~~~
I did not yet provide a patch because I was not sure which way
(uppercase/lowercase) is best, so wanted to hear some opinions about
that first.
(I'm expecting that some DOCS examples and/or TESTS for "describe"
will also be impacted).
Thoughts?
======
[1] https://github.com/postgres/postgres/commit/fd366065e06ae953c4f2d973d5c5f0474f3b87b6#diff-cdb325f899...
[2] https://github.com/postgres/postgres/commit/fd366065e06ae953c4f2d973d5c5f0474f3b87b6#diff-cdb325f899...
Kind Regards,
Peter Smith.
Fujitsu Australia
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* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-10 10:19 ` Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-13 02:14 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
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From: Amit Kapila @ 2026-04-10 10:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Smith <[email protected]>; +Cc: PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 12:43 PM Peter Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Notice that that the describe publication says:
> "Tables:" and "Except tables:" (Lowercase "tables")
>
> Notice that the describe table says:
> "Publications:" and "Except Publications:" (Uppercase "Publications")
>
> I think they should use a consistent case:
> eg1. (both lowercase) Except tables; Except publications, OR
> eg2. (bother uppercase) Except Tables; Except Publications
>
We should follow eg1. I checked few examples where we follow same
pattern as eg1:
Example-1: (See: "Tables from schemas")
postgres=# \dRp+ pub1
Publication pub1
Owner | All tables | All sequences | Inserts | Updates | Deletes |
Truncates | Generated columns | Via root | Description
-------+------------+---------------+---------+---------+---------+-----------+-------------------+----------+-------------
amit | f | f | t | t | t | t
| none | f |
Tables from schemas:
"sch1"
Example-2: ((See: "No connections")
postgres=# create user u1 CONNECTION LIMIT 0;
CREATE ROLE
postgres=# \du u1
List of roles
Role name | Attributes
-----------+----------------
u1 | No connections
--
With Regards,
Amit Kapila.
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* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-10 10:19 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-13 02:14 ` Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-13 03:21 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ vignesh C <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Peter Smith @ 2026-04-13 02:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Amit Kapila <[email protected]>; +Cc: PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 8:19 PM Amit Kapila <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 12:43 PM Peter Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Notice that that the describe publication says:
> > "Tables:" and "Except tables:" (Lowercase "tables")
> >
> > Notice that the describe table says:
> > "Publications:" and "Except Publications:" (Uppercase "Publications")
> >
> > I think they should use a consistent case:
> > eg1. (both lowercase) Except tables; Except publications, OR
> > eg2. (bother uppercase) Except Tables; Except Publications
> >
>
> We should follow eg1. I checked few examples where we follow same
> pattern as eg1:
>
> Example-1: (See: "Tables from schemas")
> postgres=# \dRp+ pub1
> Publication pub1
> Owner | All tables | All sequences | Inserts | Updates | Deletes |
> Truncates | Generated columns | Via root | Description
> -------+------------+---------------+---------+---------+---------+-----------+-------------------+----------+-------------
> amit | f | f | t | t | t | t
> | none | f |
> Tables from schemas:
> "sch1"
>
> Example-2: ((See: "No connections")
> postgres=# create user u1 CONNECTION LIMIT 0;
> CREATE ROLE
> postgres=# \du u1
> List of roles
> Role name | Attributes
> -----------+----------------
> u1 | No connections
>
Hi Amit.
Thanks for the advice.
PSA patch v1 to change "Except Publications" to "Except publications".
======
Kind Regards,
Peter Smith.
Fujitsu Australia
Attachments:
[application/octet-stream] v1-0001-describe-table-except-publications.patch (1.8K, 2-v1-0001-describe-table-except-publications.patch)
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From d28f4edd28e15c3af682c6bda2c34aa44eaa9c38 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Peter Smith <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2026 12:12:00 +1000
Subject: [PATCH v1] describe table except publications
---
src/bin/psql/describe.c | 2 +-
src/test/regress/expected/publication.out | 6 +++---
2 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
diff --git a/src/bin/psql/describe.c b/src/bin/psql/describe.c
index 4e8ff00394a..291c493f594 100644
--- a/src/bin/psql/describe.c
+++ b/src/bin/psql/describe.c
@@ -3306,7 +3306,7 @@ describeOneTableDetails(const char *schemaname,
tuples = PQntuples(result);
if (tuples > 0)
- printTableAddFooter(&cont, _("Except Publications:"));
+ printTableAddFooter(&cont, _("Except publications:"));
/* Might be an empty set - that's ok */
for (i = 0; i < tuples; i++)
diff --git a/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out b/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
index a9059a39138..d028e9be866 100644
--- a/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
+++ b/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
@@ -252,7 +252,7 @@ Indexes:
"testpub_tbl1_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id)
Publications:
"testpub_foralltables"
-Except Publications:
+Except publications:
"testpub_foralltables_excepttable"
"testpub_foralltables_excepttable1"
@@ -435,7 +435,7 @@ Except tables:
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
a | integer | | |
Partition of: testpub_root FOR VALUES FROM (0) TO (100)
-Except Publications:
+Except publications:
"testpub8"
\d testpub_root
@@ -444,7 +444,7 @@ Except Publications:
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
a | integer | | |
Partition key: RANGE (a)
-Except Publications:
+Except publications:
"testpub8"
Number of partitions: 1 (Use \d+ to list them.)
--
2.47.3
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* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-10 10:19 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-13 02:14 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-13 03:21 ` vignesh C <[email protected]>
2026-04-13 05:23 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
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From: vignesh C @ 2026-04-13 03:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Smith <[email protected]>; +Cc: Amit Kapila <[email protected]>; PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On Mon, 13 Apr 2026 at 07:45, Peter Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 8:19 PM Amit Kapila <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 12:43 PM Peter Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Notice that that the describe publication says:
> > > "Tables:" and "Except tables:" (Lowercase "tables")
> > >
> > > Notice that the describe table says:
> > > "Publications:" and "Except Publications:" (Uppercase "Publications")
> > >
> > > I think they should use a consistent case:
> > > eg1. (both lowercase) Except tables; Except publications, OR
> > > eg2. (bother uppercase) Except Tables; Except Publications
> > >
> >
> > We should follow eg1. I checked few examples where we follow same
> > pattern as eg1:
> >
> > Example-1: (See: "Tables from schemas")
> > postgres=# \dRp+ pub1
> > Publication pub1
> > Owner | All tables | All sequences | Inserts | Updates | Deletes |
> > Truncates | Generated columns | Via root | Description
> > -------+------------+---------------+---------+---------+---------+-----------+-------------------+----------+-------------
> > amit | f | f | t | t | t | t
> > | none | f |
> > Tables from schemas:
> > "sch1"
> >
> > Example-2: ((See: "No connections")
> > postgres=# create user u1 CONNECTION LIMIT 0;
> > CREATE ROLE
> > postgres=# \du u1
> > List of roles
> > Role name | Attributes
> > -----------+----------------
> > u1 | No connections
> >
>
> Hi Amit.
>
> Thanks for the advice.
>
> PSA patch v1 to change "Except Publications" to "Except publications".
The commit message could be improved:
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2026 12:12:00 +1000
Subject: [PATCH v1] describe table except publications
---
src/bin/psql/describe.c | 2 +-
Other than that, the patch looks good to me.
Regards,
Vignesh.
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* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-10 10:19 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-13 02:14 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-13 03:21 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ vignesh C <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-13 05:23 ` Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-14 00:03 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
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From: Peter Smith @ 2026-04-13 05:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: vignesh C <[email protected]>; +Cc: Amit Kapila <[email protected]>; PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On Mon, Apr 13, 2026 at 1:21 PM vignesh C <[email protected]> wrote:
>
...
> The commit message could be improved:
> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2026 12:12:00 +1000
> Subject: [PATCH v1] describe table except publications
>
> ---
> src/bin/psql/describe.c | 2 +-
>
> Other than that, the patch looks good to me.
>
Hi Vignesh.
Thanks for the review.
PSA patch v2. It is the same as v1, but with an improved commit message,
======
Kind Regards,
Peter Smith.
Fujitsu Australia
Attachments:
[application/octet-stream] v2-0001-describe-table-except-publications.patch (2.2K, 2-v2-0001-describe-table-except-publications.patch)
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From 5a8a649d2eb673460bce86a80d0ff63a4c7fcfc6 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Peter Smith <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2026 14:56:31 +1000
Subject: [PATCH v2] describe table except publications
Commit fd36606 introduced a small "case" inconsistency in the psql table
describe (\d) command output. "Except Publications:" should say "Except
publications:".
Author: Peter Smith <[email protected]>
Reviewed-by: vignesh C <[email protected]>
Discussion: https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CAHut%2BPvtmM7tCut-K-EWSq0_Hg5ey%3DM2NreU_Fq80SpUOgmiBw%40mail.gmail.com
---
src/bin/psql/describe.c | 2 +-
src/test/regress/expected/publication.out | 6 +++---
2 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
diff --git a/src/bin/psql/describe.c b/src/bin/psql/describe.c
index 4e8ff00394a..291c493f594 100644
--- a/src/bin/psql/describe.c
+++ b/src/bin/psql/describe.c
@@ -3306,7 +3306,7 @@ describeOneTableDetails(const char *schemaname,
tuples = PQntuples(result);
if (tuples > 0)
- printTableAddFooter(&cont, _("Except Publications:"));
+ printTableAddFooter(&cont, _("Except publications:"));
/* Might be an empty set - that's ok */
for (i = 0; i < tuples; i++)
diff --git a/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out b/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
index a9059a39138..d028e9be866 100644
--- a/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
+++ b/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
@@ -252,7 +252,7 @@ Indexes:
"testpub_tbl1_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id)
Publications:
"testpub_foralltables"
-Except Publications:
+Except publications:
"testpub_foralltables_excepttable"
"testpub_foralltables_excepttable1"
@@ -435,7 +435,7 @@ Except tables:
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
a | integer | | |
Partition of: testpub_root FOR VALUES FROM (0) TO (100)
-Except Publications:
+Except publications:
"testpub8"
\d testpub_root
@@ -444,7 +444,7 @@ Except Publications:
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
a | integer | | |
Partition key: RANGE (a)
-Except Publications:
+Except publications:
"testpub8"
Number of partitions: 1 (Use \d+ to list them.)
--
2.47.3
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* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-10 10:19 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-13 02:14 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-13 03:21 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ vignesh C <[email protected]>
2026-04-13 05:23 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-14 00:03 ` Peter Smith <[email protected]>
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From: Peter Smith @ 2026-04-14 00:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: vignesh C <[email protected]>; +Cc: Amit Kapila <[email protected]>; PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On Mon, Apr 13, 2026 at 3:23 PM Peter Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2026 at 1:21 PM vignesh C <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> ...
> > The commit message could be improved:
> > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2026 12:12:00 +1000
> > Subject: [PATCH v1] describe table except publications
> >
> > ---
> > src/bin/psql/describe.c | 2 +-
> >
> > Other than that, the patch looks good to me.
> >
>
> Hi Vignesh.
>
> Thanks for the review.
>
> PSA patch v2. It is the same as v1, but with an improved commit message,
>
Hi Amit. Thanks for pushing.
======
Kind Regards
Peter Smith.
Fujitsu Australia
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* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-16 14:10 ` Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 23:03 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
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From: Álvaro Herrera @ 2026-04-16 14:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Smith <[email protected]>; +Cc: PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On 2026-Apr-10, Peter Smith wrote:
> # -- describe the tables
> # \d t1
> Table "public.t1"
> Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
> --------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
> a | integer | | |
> Except Publications:
> "pub1"
I have a hard time understanding what an "except publication" is. I
think this would be clearer if the header said "Excluded from publications:"
A footer section under a publication saying "Except tables" on the other
hand is crystal clear.
--
Álvaro Herrera Breisgau, Deutschland — https://www.EnterpriseDB.com/
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* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 14:10 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-16 23:03 ` Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-17 05:23 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
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From: Peter Smith @ 2026-04-16 23:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; +Cc: PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 12:10 AM Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On 2026-Apr-10, Peter Smith wrote:
>
> > # -- describe the tables
> > # \d t1
> > Table "public.t1"
> > Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
> > --------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
> > a | integer | | |
> > Except Publications:
> > "pub1"
>
> I have a hard time understanding what an "except publication" is. I
> think this would be clearer if the header said "Excluded from publications:"
>
I agree that your suggestion is clearer.
If we make that change, then should the "Publications:" footer also be
modified similarly (to "Included in publications:") so they match?
e.g.
CURRENTLY
test_pub=# \d t1
Table "public.t1"
Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
a | integer | | |
Publications:
"pub1"
"pub2"
Except publications:
"pub3"
~~~
SUGGESTION
test_pub=# \d t1
Table "public.t1"
Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
a | integer | | |
Included in publications:
"pub1"
"pub2"
Excluded from publications:
"pub3"
~~~
I will wait for more opinions/consensus before providing a patch.
======
Kind Regards,
Peter Smith.
Fujitsu Australia
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* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 14:10 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 23:03 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-17 05:23 ` Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-17 08:45 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 02:56 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
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From: Amit Kapila @ 2026-04-17 05:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Smith <[email protected]>; +Cc: Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 4:34 AM Peter Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 12:10 AM Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > On 2026-Apr-10, Peter Smith wrote:
> >
> > > # -- describe the tables
> > > # \d t1
> > > Table "public.t1"
> > > Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
> > > --------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
> > > a | integer | | |
> > > Except Publications:
> > > "pub1"
> >
> > I have a hard time understanding what an "except publication" is. I
> > think this would be clearer if the header said "Excluded from publications:"
> >
>
> I agree that your suggestion is clearer.
>
> If we make that change, then should the "Publications:" footer also be
> modified similarly (to "Included in publications:") so they match?
>
> e.g.
>
> CURRENTLY
>
> test_pub=# \d t1
> Table "public.t1"
> Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
> --------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
> a | integer | | |
> Publications:
> "pub1"
> "pub2"
> Except publications:
> "pub3"
>
> ~~~
>
> SUGGESTION
>
> test_pub=# \d t1
> Table "public.t1"
> Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
> --------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
> a | integer | | |
> Included in publications:
> "pub1"
> "pub2"
> Excluded from publications:
> "pub3"
>
> ~~~
>
+1 for the proposal. It makes the description clear.
--
With Regards,
Amit Kapila.
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* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 14:10 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 23:03 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-17 05:23 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-17 08:45 ` Peter Smith <[email protected]>
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From: Peter Smith @ 2026-04-17 08:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Amit Kapila <[email protected]>; +Cc: Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 3:24 PM Amit Kapila <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 4:34 AM Peter Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 12:10 AM Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 2026-Apr-10, Peter Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > # -- describe the tables
> > > > # \d t1
> > > > Table "public.t1"
> > > > Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
> > > > --------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
> > > > a | integer | | |
> > > > Except Publications:
> > > > "pub1"
> > >
> > > I have a hard time understanding what an "except publication" is. I
> > > think this would be clearer if the header said "Excluded from publications:"
> > >
> >
> > I agree that your suggestion is clearer.
> >
> > If we make that change, then should the "Publications:" footer also be
> > modified similarly (to "Included in publications:") so they match?
> >
> > e.g.
> >
> > CURRENTLY
> >
> > test_pub=# \d t1
> > Table "public.t1"
> > Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
> > --------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
> > a | integer | | |
> > Publications:
> > "pub1"
> > "pub2"
> > Except publications:
> > "pub3"
> >
> > ~~~
> >
> > SUGGESTION
> >
> > test_pub=# \d t1
> > Table "public.t1"
> > Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
> > --------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
> > a | integer | | |
> > Included in publications:
> > "pub1"
> > "pub2"
> > Excluded from publications:
> > "pub3"
> >
> > ~~~
> >
>
> +1 for the proposal. It makes the description clear.
>
OK. Thanks.
Next question: am I only changing this for the table describe (\d)?
I am asking because I noticed the schema describe (\dn) also has a
footer called "Publications:".
----------
test_pub=# CREATE PUBLICATION pub7 FOR TABLES IN SCHEMA my_schema;
CREATE PUBLICATION
test_pub=# \dn+ my_schema
List of schemas
Name | Owner | Access privileges | Description
-----------+----------+-------------------+-------------
my_schema | postgres | |
Publications:
"pub7"
----------
Would you like this schema footer also changed to say "Included in
publications:"?
======
Kind Regards,
Peter Smith.
Fujitsu Australia
^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 14:10 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 23:03 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-17 05:23 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-20 02:56 ` Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 05:04 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ vignesh C <[email protected]>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Peter Smith @ 2026-04-20 02:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Amit Kapila <[email protected]>; +Cc: Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 3:24 PM Amit Kapila <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 4:34 AM Peter Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 12:10 AM Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 2026-Apr-10, Peter Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > # -- describe the tables
> > > > # \d t1
> > > > Table "public.t1"
> > > > Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
> > > > --------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
> > > > a | integer | | |
> > > > Except Publications:
> > > > "pub1"
> > >
> > > I have a hard time understanding what an "except publication" is. I
> > > think this would be clearer if the header said "Excluded from publications:"
> > >
> >
> > I agree that your suggestion is clearer.
> >
> > If we make that change, then should the "Publications:" footer also be
> > modified similarly (to "Included in publications:") so they match?
> >
> > e.g.
> >
> > CURRENTLY
> >
> > test_pub=# \d t1
> > Table "public.t1"
> > Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
> > --------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
> > a | integer | | |
> > Publications:
> > "pub1"
> > "pub2"
> > Except publications:
> > "pub3"
> >
> > ~~~
> >
> > SUGGESTION
> >
> > test_pub=# \d t1
> > Table "public.t1"
> > Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
> > --------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
> > a | integer | | |
> > Included in publications:
> > "pub1"
> > "pub2"
> > Excluded from publications:
> > "pub3"
> >
> > ~~~
> >
>
> +1 for the proposal. It makes the description clear.
>
PSA v3 patches.
v3-0001 - Fixed the TABLE describe footer titles as suggested.
- "Included in publications:"
- "Excluded from publications:"
v3-0002 - Made similar footer title changes for SEQUENCE describe
v3-0003 - Made similar footer title changes for SHCEMA describe. In
passing, I found that this \dn describe output was not even being
tested, so I added the missing regression test.
======
Kind Regards,
Peter Smith.
Fujitsu Australia.
Attachments:
[application/octet-stream] v3-0001-Fix-footer-titles-for-TABLE-describe.patch (8.0K, 2-v3-0001-Fix-footer-titles-for-TABLE-describe.patch)
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From 8678152b07ce7b8b19fb8c7be045acad6c03fd3c Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Peter Smith <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2026 12:22:38 +1000
Subject: [PATCH v3] Fix footer titles for TABLE describe
---
doc/src/sgml/logical-replication.sgml | 8 +++---
src/bin/psql/describe.c | 4 +--
src/test/regress/expected/alter_table.out | 2 +-
src/test/regress/expected/publication.out | 30 +++++++++++------------
4 files changed, 22 insertions(+), 22 deletions(-)
diff --git a/doc/src/sgml/logical-replication.sgml b/doc/src/sgml/logical-replication.sgml
index 598e23ad4f5..c06d255d2ed 100644
--- a/doc/src/sgml/logical-replication.sgml
+++ b/doc/src/sgml/logical-replication.sgml
@@ -1099,7 +1099,7 @@ Tables:
c | text | | not null |
Indexes:
"t1_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (a, c)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"p1" WHERE ((a > 5) AND (c = 'NSW'::text))
"p2"
@@ -1112,7 +1112,7 @@ Publications:
f | integer | | |
Indexes:
"t2_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (d)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"p2" WHERE (e = 99)
"p3" WHERE (d = 10)
@@ -1125,7 +1125,7 @@ Publications:
i | integer | | |
Indexes:
"t3_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (g)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"p3" WHERE (g = 10)
]]></programlisting></para>
@@ -1526,7 +1526,7 @@ Tables:
e | text | | |
Indexes:
"t1_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"p1" (id, a, b, d)
</programlisting></para>
diff --git a/src/bin/psql/describe.c b/src/bin/psql/describe.c
index dd1179ef927..b315159bcb3 100644
--- a/src/bin/psql/describe.c
+++ b/src/bin/psql/describe.c
@@ -3263,7 +3263,7 @@ describeOneTableDetails(const char *schemaname,
tuples = PQntuples(result);
if (tuples > 0)
- printTableAddFooter(&cont, _("Publications:"));
+ printTableAddFooter(&cont, _("Included in publications:"));
/* Might be an empty set - that's ok */
for (i = 0; i < tuples; i++)
@@ -3306,7 +3306,7 @@ describeOneTableDetails(const char *schemaname,
tuples = PQntuples(result);
if (tuples > 0)
- printTableAddFooter(&cont, _("Except publications:"));
+ printTableAddFooter(&cont, _("Excluded from publications:"));
/* Might be an empty set - that's ok */
for (i = 0; i < tuples; i++)
diff --git a/src/test/regress/expected/alter_table.out b/src/test/regress/expected/alter_table.out
index dad9d36937e..6dd22be0e8d 100644
--- a/src/test/regress/expected/alter_table.out
+++ b/src/test/regress/expected/alter_table.out
@@ -4868,7 +4868,7 @@ alter table alter1.t1 set schema alter2;
Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default | Storage | Stats target | Description
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------+---------+--------------+-------------
a | integer | | | | plain | |
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"pub1"
drop publication pub1;
diff --git a/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out b/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
index d028e9be866..eb635147644 100644
--- a/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
+++ b/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
@@ -201,7 +201,7 @@ SELECT pubname, puballtables FROM pg_publication WHERE pubname = 'testpub_forall
data | text | | | | extended | |
Indexes:
"testpub_tbl2_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_foralltables"
Not-null constraints:
"testpub_tbl2_id_not_null" NOT NULL "id"
@@ -250,9 +250,9 @@ Except tables:
data | text | | |
Indexes:
"testpub_tbl1_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_foralltables"
-Except publications:
+Excluded from publications:
"testpub_foralltables_excepttable"
"testpub_foralltables_excepttable1"
@@ -435,7 +435,7 @@ Except tables:
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
a | integer | | |
Partition of: testpub_root FOR VALUES FROM (0) TO (100)
-Except publications:
+Excluded from publications:
"testpub8"
\d testpub_root
@@ -444,7 +444,7 @@ Except publications:
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
a | integer | | |
Partition key: RANGE (a)
-Except publications:
+Excluded from publications:
"testpub8"
Number of partitions: 1 (Use \d+ to list them.)
@@ -636,7 +636,7 @@ Tables:
Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
e | integer | | |
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub5" WHERE ((e > 1000) AND (e < 2000))
ALTER PUBLICATION testpub5 DROP TABLE testpub_rf_tbl2;
@@ -664,7 +664,7 @@ Tables:
Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
e | integer | | |
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub5" WHERE ((e > 300) AND (e < 500))
-- test \d <tablename> (now it displays filter information)
@@ -678,7 +678,7 @@ RESET client_min_messages;
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
a | integer | | |
b | text | | |
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_rf_no"
"testpub_rf_yes" WHERE (a > 1)
@@ -1153,7 +1153,7 @@ ALTER PUBLICATION testpub_fortable ADD TABLE testpub_tbl7 (a, b);
c | text | | | | extended | |
Indexes:
"testpub_tbl7_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (a)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_fortable" (a, b)
Not-null constraints:
"testpub_tbl7_a_not_null" NOT NULL "a"
@@ -1169,7 +1169,7 @@ ALTER PUBLICATION testpub_fortable SET TABLE testpub_tbl7 (a, b);
c | text | | | | extended | |
Indexes:
"testpub_tbl7_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (a)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_fortable" (a, b)
Not-null constraints:
"testpub_tbl7_a_not_null" NOT NULL "a"
@@ -1185,7 +1185,7 @@ ALTER PUBLICATION testpub_fortable SET TABLE testpub_tbl7 (a, c);
c | text | | | | extended | |
Indexes:
"testpub_tbl7_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (a)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_fortable" (a, c)
Not-null constraints:
"testpub_tbl7_a_not_null" NOT NULL "a"
@@ -1323,7 +1323,7 @@ Tables:
c | integer | | not null | | plain | |
Indexes:
"testpub_tbl_both_filters_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (a, c) REPLICA IDENTITY
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_both_filters" (a, c) WHERE (c <> 1)
Not-null constraints:
"testpub_tbl_both_filters_a_not_null" NOT NULL "a"
@@ -1540,7 +1540,7 @@ ALTER PUBLICATION testpub_ins_trunct ADD TABLE pub_test.testpub_nopk, testpub_tb
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------+---------+--------------+-------------
foo | integer | | | | plain | |
bar | integer | | | | plain | |
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_default"
"testpub_fortbl"
"testpub_ins_trunct"
@@ -1553,7 +1553,7 @@ Publications:
data | text | | | | extended | |
Indexes:
"testpub_tbl1_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_default"
"testpub_fortbl"
"testpub_ins_trunct"
@@ -1581,7 +1581,7 @@ ERROR: relation "testpub_nopk" is not part of the publication
data | text | | | | extended | |
Indexes:
"testpub_tbl1_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_fortbl"
"testpub_ins_trunct"
Not-null constraints:
--
2.47.3
[application/octet-stream] v3-0003-Fix-footer-titles-for-SCHEMA-describe.patch (2.7K, 3-v3-0003-Fix-footer-titles-for-SCHEMA-describe.patch)
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From 50536524004025de6428ad8321860273f71bee24 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Peter Smith <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2026 12:50:58 +1000
Subject: [PATCH v3] Fix footer titles for SCHEMA describe
In passing, add a missing \dn describe test.
---
src/bin/psql/describe.c | 6 +++---
src/test/regress/expected/publication.out | 9 +++++++++
src/test/regress/sql/publication.sql | 2 ++
3 files changed, 14 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
diff --git a/src/bin/psql/describe.c b/src/bin/psql/describe.c
index a58598d82a9..49228117eb6 100644
--- a/src/bin/psql/describe.c
+++ b/src/bin/psql/describe.c
@@ -5533,11 +5533,11 @@ listSchemas(const char *pattern, bool verbose, bool showSystem)
{
/*
* Allocate memory for footers. Size of footers will be 1 (for
- * storing "Publications:" string) + publication schema mapping
- * count + 1 (for storing NULL).
+ * storing "Included in publications:" string) + publication
+ * schema mapping count + 1 (for storing NULL).
*/
footers = pg_malloc_array(char *, 1 + pub_schema_tuples + 1);
- footers[0] = pg_strdup(_("Publications:"));
+ footers[0] = pg_strdup(_("Included in publications:"));
/* Might be an empty set - that's ok */
for (i = 0; i < pub_schema_tuples; i++)
diff --git a/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out b/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
index 8d9eb57ed1a..0345f6c5e47 100644
--- a/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
+++ b/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
@@ -128,6 +128,15 @@ Tables from schemas:
SET client_min_messages = 'ERROR';
CREATE PUBLICATION testpub_forschema FOR TABLES IN SCHEMA pub_test;
+\dn pub_test
+ List of schemas
+ Name | Owner
+----------+--------------------------
+ pub_test | regress_publication_user
+Included in publications:
+ "testpub_forschema"
+ "testpub_fortable"
+
-- should be able to create publication with schema and table of the same
-- schema
CREATE PUBLICATION testpub_for_tbl_schema FOR TABLES IN SCHEMA pub_test, TABLE pub_test.testpub_nopk;
diff --git a/src/test/regress/sql/publication.sql b/src/test/regress/sql/publication.sql
index 642e32fa098..041e14a4de6 100644
--- a/src/test/regress/sql/publication.sql
+++ b/src/test/regress/sql/publication.sql
@@ -76,6 +76,8 @@ ALTER PUBLICATION testpub_fortable SET TABLES IN SCHEMA pub_test;
SET client_min_messages = 'ERROR';
CREATE PUBLICATION testpub_forschema FOR TABLES IN SCHEMA pub_test;
+\dn pub_test
+
-- should be able to create publication with schema and table of the same
-- schema
CREATE PUBLICATION testpub_for_tbl_schema FOR TABLES IN SCHEMA pub_test, TABLE pub_test.testpub_nopk;
--
2.47.3
[application/octet-stream] v3-0002-Fix-footer-titles-for-SEQUENCE-describe.patch (1.9K, 4-v3-0002-Fix-footer-titles-for-SEQUENCE-describe.patch)
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From cbb5ae8309963de2b2e003cfcc6c6fa761d4f133 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Peter Smith <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2026 12:33:23 +1000
Subject: [PATCH v3] Fix footer titles for SEQUENCE describe
---
src/bin/psql/describe.c | 2 +-
src/test/regress/expected/publication.out | 4 ++--
2 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
diff --git a/src/bin/psql/describe.c b/src/bin/psql/describe.c
index b315159bcb3..a58598d82a9 100644
--- a/src/bin/psql/describe.c
+++ b/src/bin/psql/describe.c
@@ -1895,7 +1895,7 @@ describeOneTableDetails(const char *schemaname,
if (nrows > 0)
{
- printfPQExpBuffer(&tmpbuf, _("Publications:"));
+ printfPQExpBuffer(&tmpbuf, _("Included in publications:"));
for (i = 0; i < nrows; i++)
appendPQExpBuffer(&tmpbuf, "\n \"%s\"", PQgetvalue(result, i, 0));
diff --git a/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out b/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
index eb635147644..8d9eb57ed1a 100644
--- a/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
+++ b/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
@@ -479,7 +479,7 @@ SELECT pubname, puballtables, puballsequences FROM pg_publication WHERE pubname
Type | Start | Minimum | Maximum | Increment | Cycles? | Cache
--------+-------+---------+---------------------+-----------+---------+-------
bigint | 1 | 1 | 9223372036854775807 | 1 | no | 1
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"regress_pub_forallsequences1"
\dRp+ regress_pub_forallsequences1
@@ -498,7 +498,7 @@ RESET client_min_messages;
Type | Start | Minimum | Maximum | Increment | Cycles? | Cache
--------+-------+---------+---------------------+-----------+---------+-------
bigint | 1 | 1 | 9223372036854775807 | 1 | no | 1
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"regress_pub_forallsequences1"
"regress_pub_forallsequences2"
--
2.47.3
^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 14:10 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 23:03 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-17 05:23 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 02:56 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-20 05:04 ` vignesh C <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 06:46 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: vignesh C @ 2026-04-20 05:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Smith <[email protected]>; +Cc: Amit Kapila <[email protected]>; Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 at 08:27, Peter Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 3:24 PM Amit Kapila <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 4:34 AM Peter Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 12:10 AM Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 2026-Apr-10, Peter Smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > # -- describe the tables
> > > > > # \d t1
> > > > > Table "public.t1"
> > > > > Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
> > > > > --------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
> > > > > a | integer | | |
> > > > > Except Publications:
> > > > > "pub1"
> > > >
> > > > I have a hard time understanding what an "except publication" is. I
> > > > think this would be clearer if the header said "Excluded from publications:"
> > > >
> > >
> > > I agree that your suggestion is clearer.
> > >
> > > If we make that change, then should the "Publications:" footer also be
> > > modified similarly (to "Included in publications:") so they match?
> > >
> > > e.g.
> > >
> > > CURRENTLY
> > >
> > > test_pub=# \d t1
> > > Table "public.t1"
> > > Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
> > > --------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
> > > a | integer | | |
> > > Publications:
> > > "pub1"
> > > "pub2"
> > > Except publications:
> > > "pub3"
> > >
> > > ~~~
> > >
> > > SUGGESTION
> > >
> > > test_pub=# \d t1
> > > Table "public.t1"
> > > Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
> > > --------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
> > > a | integer | | |
> > > Included in publications:
> > > "pub1"
> > > "pub2"
> > > Excluded from publications:
> > > "pub3"
> > >
> > > ~~~
> > >
> >
> > +1 for the proposal. It makes the description clear.
> >
>
> PSA v3 patches.
>
> v3-0001 - Fixed the TABLE describe footer titles as suggested.
> - "Included in publications:"
> - "Excluded from publications:"
>
> v3-0002 - Made similar footer title changes for SEQUENCE describe
>
> v3-0003 - Made similar footer title changes for SHCEMA describe. In
> passing, I found that this \dn describe output was not even being
> tested, so I added the missing regression test.
I'm not sure separate patches are necessary for this change; it might
be better to merge them into a single patch. Other than that, the
changes look good.
Regards,
Vignesh
^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 14:10 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 23:03 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-17 05:23 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 02:56 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 05:04 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ vignesh C <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-20 06:46 ` Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 08:49 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Yuchen Li <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Peter Smith @ 2026-04-20 06:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: vignesh C <[email protected]>; +Cc: Amit Kapila <[email protected]>; Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
> >
> > PSA v3 patches.
> >
> > v3-0001 - Fixed the TABLE describe footer titles as suggested.
> > - "Included in publications:"
> > - "Excluded from publications:"
> >
> > v3-0002 - Made similar footer title changes for SEQUENCE describe
> >
> > v3-0003 - Made similar footer title changes for SHCEMA describe. In
> > passing, I found that this \dn describe output was not even being
> > tested, so I added the missing regression test.
>
> I'm not sure separate patches are necessary for this change; it might
> be better to merge them into a single patch. Other than that, the
> changes look good.
>
I separated them because only the changes to TABLE \d had previously
been discussed.
If everyone thinks all changes are good, then I can combine them into one patch.
======
Kind Regards,
Peter Smith.
Fujitsu Australia.
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* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 14:10 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 23:03 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-17 05:23 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 02:56 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 05:04 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ vignesh C <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 06:46 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-20 08:49 ` Yuchen Li <[email protected]>
2026-04-21 06:45 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Yuchen Li @ 2026-04-20 08:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Smith <[email protected]>; vignesh C <[email protected]>; +Cc: Amit Kapila <[email protected]>; Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On 4/20/2026 2:46 PM, Peter Smith wrote:
>>> PSA v3 patches.
>>>
>>> v3-0001 - Fixed the TABLE describe footer titles as suggested.
>>> - "Included in publications:"
>>> - "Excluded from publications:"
>>>
>>> v3-0002 - Made similar footer title changes for SEQUENCE describe
>>>
>>> v3-0003 - Made similar footer title changes for SHCEMA describe. In
>>> passing, I found that this \dn describe output was not even being
>>> tested, so I added the missing regression test.
>> I'm not sure separate patches are necessary for this change; it might
>> be better to merge them into a single patch. Other than that, the
>> changes look good.
>>
> I separated them because only the changes to TABLE \d had previously
> been discussed.
>
> If everyone thinks all changes are good, then I can combine them into one patch.
>
> ======
> Kind Regards,
> Peter Smith.
> Fujitsu Australia.
>
While reviewing 0003, I noticed a formatting issue in the following line:
+ * schema mapping count + 1 (for storing NULL).
There is an extra space after "count +".
Regards,
Yuchen Li
^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 14:10 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 23:03 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-17 05:23 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 02:56 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 05:04 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ vignesh C <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 06:46 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 08:49 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Yuchen Li <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-21 06:45 ` Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-22 11:27 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Peter Smith @ 2026-04-21 06:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Yuchen Li <[email protected]>; +Cc: vignesh C <[email protected]>; Amit Kapila <[email protected]>; Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On Mon, Apr 20, 2026 at 6:50 PM Yuchen Li <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On 4/20/2026 2:46 PM, Peter Smith wrote:
> >>> PSA v3 patches.
> >>>
> >>> v3-0001 - Fixed the TABLE describe footer titles as suggested.
> >>> - "Included in publications:"
> >>> - "Excluded from publications:"
> >>>
> >>> v3-0002 - Made similar footer title changes for SEQUENCE describe
> >>>
> >>> v3-0003 - Made similar footer title changes for SHCEMA describe. In
> >>> passing, I found that this \dn describe output was not even being
> >>> tested, so I added the missing regression test.
> >> I'm not sure separate patches are necessary for this change; it might
> >> be better to merge them into a single patch. Other than that, the
> >> changes look good.
> >>
> > I separated them because only the changes to TABLE \d had previously
> > been discussed.
> >
> > If everyone thinks all changes are good, then I can combine them into one patch.
> >
> > ======
> > Kind Regards,
> > Peter Smith.
> > Fujitsu Australia.
> >
> While reviewing 0003, I noticed a formatting issue in the following line:
>
> + * schema mapping count + 1 (for storing NULL).
>
> There is an extra space after "count +".
>
PSA v4, now combined as Vignesh suggested, and with the extra space also fixed.
======
Kind Regards,
Peter Smith.
Fujitsu Australia.
Attachments:
[application/octet-stream] v4-0001-Fix-describe-footer-titles.patch (11.7K, 2-v4-0001-Fix-describe-footer-titles.patch)
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From df5dd254d925be7631a29456b80c39449e2d0c27 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Peter Smith <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2026 16:40:41 +1000
Subject: [PATCH v4] Fix describe footer titles
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
The psql describe footer titles for tables (\d) were not intuitive when listing
publications that included or excluded them. Now these are changed to say
"Included in publications:" and "Excluded from publications:" respectively.
Footer titles for sequence describe, and schema decribe are updated similarly.
Author: Peter Smith <[email protected]>
Reported-by: Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
Reviewed-by: Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
Reviewed-by: vignesh C <[email protected]>
Reviewed-by: Yuchen Li <[email protected]>
Discussion: https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/aeDs7iZUox1bbKAK%40alvherre.pgsql
---
doc/src/sgml/logical-replication.sgml | 8 ++---
src/bin/psql/describe.c | 12 +++----
src/test/regress/expected/alter_table.out | 2 +-
src/test/regress/expected/publication.out | 43 ++++++++++++++---------
src/test/regress/sql/publication.sql | 2 ++
5 files changed, 39 insertions(+), 28 deletions(-)
diff --git a/doc/src/sgml/logical-replication.sgml b/doc/src/sgml/logical-replication.sgml
index 598e23ad4f5..c06d255d2ed 100644
--- a/doc/src/sgml/logical-replication.sgml
+++ b/doc/src/sgml/logical-replication.sgml
@@ -1099,7 +1099,7 @@ Tables:
c | text | | not null |
Indexes:
"t1_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (a, c)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"p1" WHERE ((a > 5) AND (c = 'NSW'::text))
"p2"
@@ -1112,7 +1112,7 @@ Publications:
f | integer | | |
Indexes:
"t2_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (d)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"p2" WHERE (e = 99)
"p3" WHERE (d = 10)
@@ -1125,7 +1125,7 @@ Publications:
i | integer | | |
Indexes:
"t3_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (g)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"p3" WHERE (g = 10)
]]></programlisting></para>
@@ -1526,7 +1526,7 @@ Tables:
e | text | | |
Indexes:
"t1_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"p1" (id, a, b, d)
</programlisting></para>
diff --git a/src/bin/psql/describe.c b/src/bin/psql/describe.c
index dd1179ef927..e78b3df61a4 100644
--- a/src/bin/psql/describe.c
+++ b/src/bin/psql/describe.c
@@ -1895,7 +1895,7 @@ describeOneTableDetails(const char *schemaname,
if (nrows > 0)
{
- printfPQExpBuffer(&tmpbuf, _("Publications:"));
+ printfPQExpBuffer(&tmpbuf, _("Included in publications:"));
for (i = 0; i < nrows; i++)
appendPQExpBuffer(&tmpbuf, "\n \"%s\"", PQgetvalue(result, i, 0));
@@ -3263,7 +3263,7 @@ describeOneTableDetails(const char *schemaname,
tuples = PQntuples(result);
if (tuples > 0)
- printTableAddFooter(&cont, _("Publications:"));
+ printTableAddFooter(&cont, _("Included in publications:"));
/* Might be an empty set - that's ok */
for (i = 0; i < tuples; i++)
@@ -3306,7 +3306,7 @@ describeOneTableDetails(const char *schemaname,
tuples = PQntuples(result);
if (tuples > 0)
- printTableAddFooter(&cont, _("Except publications:"));
+ printTableAddFooter(&cont, _("Excluded from publications:"));
/* Might be an empty set - that's ok */
for (i = 0; i < tuples; i++)
@@ -5533,11 +5533,11 @@ listSchemas(const char *pattern, bool verbose, bool showSystem)
{
/*
* Allocate memory for footers. Size of footers will be 1 (for
- * storing "Publications:" string) + publication schema mapping
- * count + 1 (for storing NULL).
+ * storing "Included in publications:" string) + publication
+ * schema mapping count + 1 (for storing NULL).
*/
footers = pg_malloc_array(char *, 1 + pub_schema_tuples + 1);
- footers[0] = pg_strdup(_("Publications:"));
+ footers[0] = pg_strdup(_("Included in publications:"));
/* Might be an empty set - that's ok */
for (i = 0; i < pub_schema_tuples; i++)
diff --git a/src/test/regress/expected/alter_table.out b/src/test/regress/expected/alter_table.out
index dad9d36937e..6dd22be0e8d 100644
--- a/src/test/regress/expected/alter_table.out
+++ b/src/test/regress/expected/alter_table.out
@@ -4868,7 +4868,7 @@ alter table alter1.t1 set schema alter2;
Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default | Storage | Stats target | Description
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------+---------+--------------+-------------
a | integer | | | | plain | |
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"pub1"
drop publication pub1;
diff --git a/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out b/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
index d028e9be866..0345f6c5e47 100644
--- a/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
+++ b/src/test/regress/expected/publication.out
@@ -128,6 +128,15 @@ Tables from schemas:
SET client_min_messages = 'ERROR';
CREATE PUBLICATION testpub_forschema FOR TABLES IN SCHEMA pub_test;
+\dn pub_test
+ List of schemas
+ Name | Owner
+----------+--------------------------
+ pub_test | regress_publication_user
+Included in publications:
+ "testpub_forschema"
+ "testpub_fortable"
+
-- should be able to create publication with schema and table of the same
-- schema
CREATE PUBLICATION testpub_for_tbl_schema FOR TABLES IN SCHEMA pub_test, TABLE pub_test.testpub_nopk;
@@ -201,7 +210,7 @@ SELECT pubname, puballtables FROM pg_publication WHERE pubname = 'testpub_forall
data | text | | | | extended | |
Indexes:
"testpub_tbl2_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_foralltables"
Not-null constraints:
"testpub_tbl2_id_not_null" NOT NULL "id"
@@ -250,9 +259,9 @@ Except tables:
data | text | | |
Indexes:
"testpub_tbl1_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_foralltables"
-Except publications:
+Excluded from publications:
"testpub_foralltables_excepttable"
"testpub_foralltables_excepttable1"
@@ -435,7 +444,7 @@ Except tables:
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
a | integer | | |
Partition of: testpub_root FOR VALUES FROM (0) TO (100)
-Except publications:
+Excluded from publications:
"testpub8"
\d testpub_root
@@ -444,7 +453,7 @@ Except publications:
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
a | integer | | |
Partition key: RANGE (a)
-Except publications:
+Excluded from publications:
"testpub8"
Number of partitions: 1 (Use \d+ to list them.)
@@ -479,7 +488,7 @@ SELECT pubname, puballtables, puballsequences FROM pg_publication WHERE pubname
Type | Start | Minimum | Maximum | Increment | Cycles? | Cache
--------+-------+---------+---------------------+-----------+---------+-------
bigint | 1 | 1 | 9223372036854775807 | 1 | no | 1
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"regress_pub_forallsequences1"
\dRp+ regress_pub_forallsequences1
@@ -498,7 +507,7 @@ RESET client_min_messages;
Type | Start | Minimum | Maximum | Increment | Cycles? | Cache
--------+-------+---------+---------------------+-----------+---------+-------
bigint | 1 | 1 | 9223372036854775807 | 1 | no | 1
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"regress_pub_forallsequences1"
"regress_pub_forallsequences2"
@@ -636,7 +645,7 @@ Tables:
Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
e | integer | | |
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub5" WHERE ((e > 1000) AND (e < 2000))
ALTER PUBLICATION testpub5 DROP TABLE testpub_rf_tbl2;
@@ -664,7 +673,7 @@ Tables:
Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
e | integer | | |
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub5" WHERE ((e > 300) AND (e < 500))
-- test \d <tablename> (now it displays filter information)
@@ -678,7 +687,7 @@ RESET client_min_messages;
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------
a | integer | | |
b | text | | |
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_rf_no"
"testpub_rf_yes" WHERE (a > 1)
@@ -1153,7 +1162,7 @@ ALTER PUBLICATION testpub_fortable ADD TABLE testpub_tbl7 (a, b);
c | text | | | | extended | |
Indexes:
"testpub_tbl7_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (a)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_fortable" (a, b)
Not-null constraints:
"testpub_tbl7_a_not_null" NOT NULL "a"
@@ -1169,7 +1178,7 @@ ALTER PUBLICATION testpub_fortable SET TABLE testpub_tbl7 (a, b);
c | text | | | | extended | |
Indexes:
"testpub_tbl7_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (a)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_fortable" (a, b)
Not-null constraints:
"testpub_tbl7_a_not_null" NOT NULL "a"
@@ -1185,7 +1194,7 @@ ALTER PUBLICATION testpub_fortable SET TABLE testpub_tbl7 (a, c);
c | text | | | | extended | |
Indexes:
"testpub_tbl7_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (a)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_fortable" (a, c)
Not-null constraints:
"testpub_tbl7_a_not_null" NOT NULL "a"
@@ -1323,7 +1332,7 @@ Tables:
c | integer | | not null | | plain | |
Indexes:
"testpub_tbl_both_filters_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (a, c) REPLICA IDENTITY
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_both_filters" (a, c) WHERE (c <> 1)
Not-null constraints:
"testpub_tbl_both_filters_a_not_null" NOT NULL "a"
@@ -1540,7 +1549,7 @@ ALTER PUBLICATION testpub_ins_trunct ADD TABLE pub_test.testpub_nopk, testpub_tb
--------+---------+-----------+----------+---------+---------+--------------+-------------
foo | integer | | | | plain | |
bar | integer | | | | plain | |
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_default"
"testpub_fortbl"
"testpub_ins_trunct"
@@ -1553,7 +1562,7 @@ Publications:
data | text | | | | extended | |
Indexes:
"testpub_tbl1_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_default"
"testpub_fortbl"
"testpub_ins_trunct"
@@ -1581,7 +1590,7 @@ ERROR: relation "testpub_nopk" is not part of the publication
data | text | | | | extended | |
Indexes:
"testpub_tbl1_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id)
-Publications:
+Included in publications:
"testpub_fortbl"
"testpub_ins_trunct"
Not-null constraints:
diff --git a/src/test/regress/sql/publication.sql b/src/test/regress/sql/publication.sql
index 642e32fa098..041e14a4de6 100644
--- a/src/test/regress/sql/publication.sql
+++ b/src/test/regress/sql/publication.sql
@@ -76,6 +76,8 @@ ALTER PUBLICATION testpub_fortable SET TABLES IN SCHEMA pub_test;
SET client_min_messages = 'ERROR';
CREATE PUBLICATION testpub_forschema FOR TABLES IN SCHEMA pub_test;
+\dn pub_test
+
-- should be able to create publication with schema and table of the same
-- schema
CREATE PUBLICATION testpub_for_tbl_schema FOR TABLES IN SCHEMA pub_test, TABLE pub_test.testpub_nopk;
--
2.47.3
^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 14:10 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 23:03 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-17 05:23 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 02:56 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 05:04 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ vignesh C <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 06:46 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 08:49 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Yuchen Li <[email protected]>
2026-04-21 06:45 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-22 11:27 ` Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-23 00:34 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Amit Kapila @ 2026-04-22 11:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Smith <[email protected]>; +Cc: Yuchen Li <[email protected]>; vignesh C <[email protected]>; Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On Tue, Apr 21, 2026 at 12:16 PM Peter Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> PSA v4, now combined as Vignesh suggested, and with the extra space also fixed.
>
I would like to explicitly mention in the commit message that "Tag for
included publications was a pre-existing behavior but it is better to
change it for making it consistent with excluded publications tag. So,
how about a commit message as follows: "psql: Improve describe footer
titles for publications.
The psql describe (`\d`) footer titles were previously unintuitive
when listing publications that included or excluded specific tables.
Even though the tag for included publications was pre-existing, it is
better to update it to "Included in publications:" to match the
phrasing of the "Excluded from publications:" tag.
Footer titles for sequence and schema descriptions have been updated
similarly to maintain consistency."
--
With Regards,
Amit Kapila.
^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 14:10 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 23:03 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-17 05:23 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 02:56 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 05:04 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ vignesh C <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 06:46 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 08:49 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Yuchen Li <[email protected]>
2026-04-21 06:45 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-22 11:27 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-23 00:34 ` Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-23 09:00 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Peter Smith @ 2026-04-23 00:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Amit Kapila <[email protected]>; +Cc: Yuchen Li <[email protected]>; vignesh C <[email protected]>; Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On Wed, Apr 22, 2026 at 9:27 PM Amit Kapila <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2026 at 12:16 PM Peter Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > PSA v4, now combined as Vignesh suggested, and with the extra space also fixed.
> >
>
> I would like to explicitly mention in the commit message that "Tag for
> included publications was a pre-existing behavior but it is better to
> change it for making it consistent with excluded publications tag. So,
> how about a commit message as follows: "psql: Improve describe footer
> titles for publications.
>
> The psql describe (`\d`) footer titles were previously unintuitive
> when listing publications that included or excluded specific tables.
> Even though the tag for included publications was pre-existing, it is
> better to update it to "Included in publications:" to match the
> phrasing of the "Excluded from publications:" tag.
>
> Footer titles for sequence and schema descriptions have been updated
> similarly to maintain consistency."
>
> --
OK, but the order what happened was a bit different.
1/ Firstly, it was only the "Except publications:" footer for \d that
was unintuitive. So that was updated to "Excluded from publications:".
2/ The pre-existing "Publications:" was intuitive as-is, but it was
updated to better match wording of 1.
3/ Then footer titles for sequence/schema were updated same
So maybe reword it slightly something like below:
SUGGESTION
The psql describe (`\d`) footer title was previously unintuitive when listing
publications that excluded specific tables. This has been fixed to say
"Excluded from publications:".
The pre-existing footer title for listing publications that include specific
tables has also been modified to to better match that phrasing. Now it says
"Included in publications:".
Footer titles for sequence and schema descriptions have been updated
similarly to maintain consistency.
======
Kind Regards,
Peter Smith.
Fujitsu Australia
^ permalink raw reply [nested|flat] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 14:10 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 23:03 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-17 05:23 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 02:56 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 05:04 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ vignesh C <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 06:46 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 08:49 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Yuchen Li <[email protected]>
2026-04-21 06:45 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-22 11:27 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-23 00:34 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-23 09:00 ` Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-23 10:33 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Amit Kapila @ 2026-04-23 09:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Smith <[email protected]>; +Cc: Yuchen Li <[email protected]>; vignesh C <[email protected]>; Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>; PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On Thu, Apr 23, 2026 at 6:04 AM Peter Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > I would like to explicitly mention in the commit message that "Tag for
> > included publications was a pre-existing behavior but it is better to
> > change it for making it consistent with excluded publications tag. So,
> > how about a commit message as follows: "psql: Improve describe footer
> > titles for publications.
> >
> > The psql describe (`\d`) footer titles were previously unintuitive
> > when listing publications that included or excluded specific tables.
> > Even though the tag for included publications was pre-existing, it is
> > better to update it to "Included in publications:" to match the
> > phrasing of the "Excluded from publications:" tag.
> >
> > Footer titles for sequence and schema descriptions have been updated
> > similarly to maintain consistency."
> >
> > --
>
> OK, but the order what happened was a bit different.
>
Pushed.
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With Regards,
Amit Kapila.
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* Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+
2026-04-10 07:13 EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 14:10 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
2026-04-16 23:03 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-17 05:23 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 02:56 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 05:04 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ vignesh C <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 06:46 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-20 08:49 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Yuchen Li <[email protected]>
2026-04-21 06:45 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-22 11:27 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
2026-04-23 00:34 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Peter Smith <[email protected]>
2026-04-23 09:00 ` Re: EXCEPT TABLE - Case inconsistency for describe \d and \dRp+ Amit Kapila <[email protected]>
@ 2026-04-23 10:33 ` Álvaro Herrera <[email protected]>
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From: Álvaro Herrera @ 2026-04-23 10:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Amit Kapila <[email protected]>; +Cc: Peter Smith <[email protected]>; Yuchen Li <[email protected]>; vignesh C <[email protected]>; PostgreSQL Hackers <[email protected]>
On 2026-Apr-23, Amit Kapila wrote:
> Pushed.
Thank you!
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"Fundamental layering violations tend to bite you on tender
parts of your anatomy." (Tom Lane)
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